TakeYouToTasker Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I'm with you there, but if Obama is pulling the strings how does dissension within the ranks benefit his legacy (which I agree is probably cemented as positive already regardless of anything else he does short of him exposing himself during a press conference) or his final lame duck years? It doesn't help the dems in the midterms from what I can tell -- maybe that's the part I'm missing, how it helps the left win seats in November. The dissention within the ranks allows vulnerable Dems an oppotunity to make a clean political break with this President. Once their seats are preserved, they can go about the business of battling to keep the President's signature legislation in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) I would love it if this is merely Act 1 of this play. But I know better. Edited June 5, 2014 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I don't know if you are right TYTT, but it sure is different that the Barack Obama of 2010 ‘Well, the big difference here and in ’94 was, you’ve got me.’ . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 The dissention within the ranks allows vulnerable Dems an oppotunity to make a clean political break with this President. Once their seats are preserved, they can go about the business of battling to keep the President's signature legislation in place. I can see the logic of it, but there are just too many moving pieces for me to buy into it as a pre-planned strategy. Especially considering Obama's track record. I tend to see it as more of a !@#$ up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I'm with you there, but if Obama is pulling the strings how does dissension within the ranks benefit his legacy (which I agree is probably cemented as positive already regardless of anything else he does short of him exposing himself during a press conference) or his final lame duck years? It doesn't help the dems in the midterms from what I can tell -- maybe that's the part I'm missing, how it helps the left win seats in November. Or, if one of these 5 clowns winds up being even remotely tied to a future terror atttack/single person(not just American) dying, you might as well take a jackhammer to that cement. You know what else would be hilarious? If, this blatant imcompetent was forced into drone striking these 5 clowns, and thus being backasswardsly competent, not because it made military sense, but rather, in an effort to win one single news cycle this quarter. In this case, Obama admitting to conspiring to close GITMO, but then taking credit for the drone strikes, as though "that was my plan all along", is the best outcome here. Yes, admitting to conspiracy to offer aid and comfort to the enemy, as part of an elaborate "plan" is literally the best thing you can hope for. As I said: hilarious. And, there's about a 5% chance of that happening. The rest of the outcomes here? Jackhammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I'm with you there, but if Obama is pulling the strings how does dissension within the ranks benefit his legacy (which I agree is probably cemented as positive already regardless of anything else he does short of him exposing himself during a press conference) or his final lame duck years? It doesn't help the dems in the midterms from what I can tell -- maybe that's the part I'm missing, how it helps the left win seats in November. The Dems will able to promote all the things they got done without Congress to show America how obstruction by the right has hurt the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) Yeah...and for gatorman? I am laughing, not crying. Once again: I am laughing because my prediction from 2008 has not only come true, Obama and the rest of the far-left have surpassed my wildest dreams. He is so incompetent, and every single leftist policy has been so thoroughly debunked and exposed as nonsense, that now? Rather than 20 years, we won't see another far-left president for 30 years at least. It's over gatorman. But, in your infinite irrationality, you won't realize this for 10 years at least, even though I am telling you, directly, right now. You might as well resign yourself/your views and values to political irrelevance for the rest of your lifetime. You need to start coming to terms with the fact that no socialist/leftist Democrat will ever win a national primary, because all their opponents have to do is call them Obama, and they auto-lose. This is WORSE than McGovern. This is WORSE than Mondale. Neither of those guys got into power. This clown did, and has done 5x the damage as a result. There's literally nothing you can do about it either. The ONLY way Hillary can win? She has to move to the center, just like her husband. And, thus even if Hillary wins? That begins the "never elect a non-moderate Democrat" 30-year trend. Thus begins the 30 year, No Wins For Gatorman, part of my life. That's F'ing hilarious. Why would I ever cry about something like that? Witnessing it all fall down around your, and the same old 20% of the population who is a nut about everything's, ears? F'ing hilarious. Edited June 5, 2014 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) I can see the logic of it, but there are just too many moving pieces for me to buy into it as a pre-planned strategy. Especially considering Obama's track record. I tend to see it as more of a !@#$ up. I mean that would have to imply that the president had a well-thought coherent plan to execute this scheme. yeah, that gave me a chuckle too Edited June 5, 2014 by Magox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I mean that would have to imply that the president had a well-thought coherent plan to execute this scheme. yeah, that gave me a chuckle too Right, which is why I can easily see the drone strike/"I planned it all along"/news cycle WIN!..."plan"....being the next thing these geniuses come up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Right, which is why I can easily see the drone strike/"I planned it all along"/news cycle WIN!..."plan"....being the next thing these geniuses come up with. It's like "Hey, lets piss off our folks in the military, come off as incompetent goobs, have people roundly mock us, so that Democrats can look good and we retain the senate. WINNING!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 You don't become President without a remarkable deal of political skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Rather than 20 years, we won't see another far-left president for 30 years at least. I think you're putting far too much faith in the electorate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 I think you're putting far too much faith in the electorate. Never forget about Obamacare: The Liberal Cleaver. Consider: D politician X, 10 years from now, has plan Y....and let's even stretch our imaginations a bit, as say it has some merit. It won't pass. X won't get elected because of it. Why? All the R has to do is say "Yeah, it's sounds good....just like Obamacare sounded good. It sounds fair....just like Obamacare sounded fair. But, I believe the worst thing is: it sounds like X says he can implement it. (cheers) Oh boy. Look out. Whew, we've been here before, haven't we? (pause for applause/cheers/jeers) We know the Ds implementation record, don't we? $4 billion for things an 8th grader can execute, but they can't?" It doesn't matter if it's fair. It matters that every single person, including the lowest of the low information voters, can personally relate to that. Hell, if they repeat it? They might even sound smart. Obama and the rest of the "lowest common denominator" Democrats have shown us the way. The party of Daniel Patrick Moynihan(ever wonder why we say all 3 names?) has seen fit to turn itself into the party of Vine. Yes, Vine: for the people who are too dumb to use Twitter. That is the gift Obama has given us all. Obamacare is known.....by even the Vine user. Obamacare makes the people who develop "systems" in Drupal....feel like they can do my job. Everyone can relate to this failure, because its so perfectly magnanimus. Look, even Chef can relate: his vanguard of consumer, not corporate, IT guys....couldn't put Humpty (*^*&%^$^#back together again. Now even Chef understands. That is why: Obamacare is The Liberal Cleaver. Ironically, but also by design, it cuts everyone the same. It's one-size-fits-all douchebaggery. It's like "Hey, lets piss off our folks in the military, come off as incompetent goobs, have people roundly mock us, so that Democrats can look good and we retain the senate. WINNING!" Sure, but....it's also like: "We are going to lose the damn Senate, and we've known that for a year. However, our legacy must be protected. So how's about we drone strike these guys on the plane heading back to Afghanistan? This way, we can say we planned it all along, and STILL close GITMO!" The funny part? You could be right, I could be right, but in all cases, you and I(half-cocked of course) have come up with the most likely Plan A and/or Contingency 1 of this....on a message board. In minutes. It's taken them years....to produce....this. I'm not a PR guy, neither are you....but either of us are better at it than they are. Which begs the question: why aren't you and I running the WH? Could we really do worse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 (edited) This must be more of that “Republican Overreach” that the thread is about: ...............................lol In Pittsburgh, Leon Panetta questions prisoner swap with Taliban. “A former top adviser to President Obama on Wednesday questioned the release of dangerous terrorists in exchange for an imprisoned American soldier as anger spread among lawmakers in Washington over the secret deal to free Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl.” OBAMA IN 2008: It’s offensive that John McCain is saying I’ll negotiate with Hamas. Obama in 2014: Negotiating with Hamas. . Edited June 6, 2014 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 You don't become President without a remarkable deal of political skill. Barack Obama didn't become president because he has remarkable political skill. He became president because (a) he ran against a guy who. comparatively, reminded everyone of Tim Conway's "Dorf on Golf" videos and (b) the media was busy jockeying to report the historic moment a black man finally became president. Book deals abound. While I can understand how and why you would *think* Obama would try to calculate this, after almost six years, it's pretty clear most of the errors we see from his administration are just straight up incompetence wrapped in a protective bubble. Even if you're right, it's still pretty an incompetent plan because it simply won't work. They have overplayed just how stupid America really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Republicans (?) Are Crying....Again Feinstein Shreds Obama Claims About Bergdahl Deal Senator Dianne Feinstein sharply contradicted Obama administration claims about the details of the deal in which five Taliban detainees were exchanged for captured Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl. Feinstein, a California Democrat who chairs the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, joins a chorus of Republicans, veterans, families of deceased soldiers, and other critics of both the deal for Bergdahl’s release and the administration’s failure to give advance notice to Congress before releasing detainees from Guantanamo Bay, as required by a 2013 law. In an appearance on CBS’ Face the Nation, Feinstein noted that after the release of the five Taliban officials to Qatar, it will be difficult at best to ensure that they don’t pose a continuing threat to American interests. More at the link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Republicans (?) Are Crying....Again More at the link Things are so bad at the WH, about the only left to do to change the topic is to release a bunch of illegal immigrant children into Jan Brewer's back yard. Hard to imagine, but I think we're actually going to see the President of the United States go full fetal position gatorman in plain view for everyone to wince at. It'll probably end with mascara running down his cheeks as he yells "What are you all looking at?!? Stop looking at me! I'm a monster! Stop looking at me!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Things are so bad at the WH, about the only left to do to change the topic is to release a bunch of illegal immigrant children into Jan Brewer's back yard. Hard to imagine, but I think we're actually going to see the President of the United States go full fetal position gatorman in plain view for everyone to wince at. It'll probably end with mascara running down his cheeks as he yells "What are you all looking at?!? Stop looking at me! I'm a monster! Stop looking at me!" I am even more concerned than that. I think obama is an egotistical sociopath who at his core needs to be liked I think with how the past few months have gone for him that he and his advisors are starting to realize he is not going to regain his popularity. If he doesn't have that incentive dangling in front of him via his focus groups and public opinion groups, he may well adapt an attitude of I dont care about public opinion im going to go full out gatorman and ram through even more un popular legislation and policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Things are so bad at the WH, about the only left to do to change the topic is to release a bunch of illegal immigrant children into Jan Brewer's back yard. Hard to imagine, but I think we're actually going to see the President of the United States go full fetal position gatorman in plain view for everyone to wince at. It'll probably end with mascara running down his cheeks as he yells "What are you all looking at?!? Stop looking at me! I'm a monster! Stop looking at me!" wow. i was wrong. some of you guys actually do have an imagination. unfortunately what results is simultaneously bizarre and infantile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I am even more concerned than that. I think obama is an egotistical sociopath who at his core needs to be liked I think with how the past few months have gone for him that he and his advisors are starting to realize he is not going to regain his popularity. If he doesn't have that incentive dangling in front of him via his focus groups and public opinion groups, he may well adapt an attitude of I dont care about public opinion im going to go full out gatorman and ram through even more un popular legislation and policy. executive orders and podium proclamations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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