Cugalabanza Posted May 29, 2014 Posted May 29, 2014 (edited) I think one part about this that rubs me the wrong way is how ultimately fruitless the actual task is. Sisyphean. Purely punitive. Why not say clean out the basement or do yard work for the old lady neighbor? I think it's important for a person to learn that work has intrinsic value. This fear-based stuff isn't doing it for me. Doesn't make me pussified. My daughter is only three, but she's a well behaved little kid. She is very aware that actions have consequences. When she gets older, she's gonna do her homework and chores--I can guarantee that. And as she grows up, she will know the value of self-reliance. She will not be another entitled little ****. I happen to know I can see that this happens without having to resort to drill sargeant tactics. I play bad cop when necessary, but I don't have to go to the point of treating her like an enemy combatant. EDIT: But again I will repeat...I don't see (from what's in the artice) that this should be a police matter. Edited May 29, 2014 by Cugalabanza
DC Tom Posted May 29, 2014 Posted May 29, 2014 One technique or one facet of an overall plan that had as its goal the extermination of prisoners through malnutrition and labor? A technique, by which the facet of "overworking to death" was achieved.
ICanSleepWhenI'mDead Posted May 29, 2014 Posted May 29, 2014 "This was done multiple times over a three-day period, sometimes as early as 3 o'clock in the morning," Police Sgt. Todd Garner told 11Alive on Tuesday. The 3 am aspect seems a little over the top, but there's nothing in the article about the kid being unable to complete the tasks he was given, so possible criminal action seems likewise excessive.
TakeYouToTasker Posted May 29, 2014 Posted May 29, 2014 I think one part about this that rubs me the wrong way is how ultimately fruitless the actual task is. Sisyphean. Purely punitive. Why not say clean out the basement or do yard work for the old lady neighbor? I think it's important for a person to learn that work has intrinsic value. This fear-based stuff isn't doing it for me. Doesn't make me pussified. My daughter is only three, but she's a well behaved little kid. She is very aware that actions have consequences. When she gets older, she's gonna do her homework and chores--I can guarantee that. And as she grows up, she will know the value of self-reliance. She will not be another entitled little ****. I happen to know I can see that this happens without having to resort to drill sargeant tactics. I play bad cop when necessary, but I don't have to go to the point of treating her like an enemy combatant. EDIT: But again I will repeat...I don't see (from what's in the artice) that this should be a police matter. The point is that you will either choose to work doing something productive, meeting your obligations; or you will work at something I choose, which will be physically difficult, boring, repetitive, and purposeless in a vacuum. Either way you will work, and as I said, you have a choice. This, for me, is not the first line of disciplinary action. It is what must ultimately occur if prior actions do not make enough of an impact on your child to curb the behavior. My own children's futures are too important to me for me not to take every possible action to teach them the value of hard work, and meeting their obligations.
Beerball Posted May 29, 2014 Author Posted May 29, 2014 A technique, by which the facet of "overworking to death" was achieved. A facet.
Beerball Posted May 29, 2014 Author Posted May 29, 2014 A facet of a facet? A piece of a larger project who's aim was working people to death. Maybe I shouldn't assume, but I doubt that the teen here is malnourished and worked around the clock.
Chef Jim Posted May 30, 2014 Posted May 30, 2014 To you. Discipline isn't a one-size-fits-all thing. You have to find their hot spot. Taking away games meant nothing to my son. Making him sit in his room alone meant nothing as he'did just sit there and read, and no idiot takes books away from their kid. It took me a while to figure out how to reach my 9 year old, but figure it out we ultimately did. His attitude changed immediately the minute we took away his porn. You Bastard!!!! On a serious note is he really 9 already?
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 30, 2014 Posted May 30, 2014 And the 16 year old actually did it and listened to his father? I'd expect my kid to rebel against the stupidity and maybe try and kick my azz... Of course he wouldn't succeed in kicking my azz until I am behind a walker... But I hope he'd have some fight in him. Oh wait, this 16 year old is only 4 foot 2... No wonder the father thought he could pull some BS crap on him. Or better yet, if I did something that stupid as a parent... I'd hope my kid would throw the boulder @ me... LoL... I shake his hand afterwards.
Jauronimo Posted May 30, 2014 Posted May 30, 2014 And the 16 year old actually did it and listened to his father? I'd expect my kid to rebel against the stupidity and maybe try and kick my azz... Of course he wouldn't succeed in kicking my azz until I am behind a walker... But I hope he'd have some fight in him. Oh wait, this 16 year old is only 4 foot 2... No wonder the father thought he could pull some BS crap on him. Or better yet, if I did something that stupid as a parent... I'd hope my kid would throw the boulder @ me... LoL... I shake his hand afterwards. I'm guessing your progeny have connected with a few boulders.
HamSandwhich Posted May 30, 2014 Posted May 30, 2014 There's nothing wrong with a little disciplining. He comes from a military backround, he chose the path to discipline based on this backround. I don't get how this is a punishable offense in court? Unless there is something missing in the story. Someone said it earlier, the US is becoming more and more pussified. Pretty soon, any type of disciplining will be outlawed.
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 30, 2014 Posted May 30, 2014 I'm guessing your progeny have connected with a few boulders. No. I don't do what this stupid parent does. There's nothing wrong with a little disciplining. He comes from a military backround, he chose the path to discipline based on this backround. I don't get how this is a punishable offense in court? Unless there is something missing in the story. Someone said it earlier, the US is becoming more and more pussified. Pretty soon, any type of disciplining will be outlawed. The only thing better would have been to march him into a swamp. Pussified? Like I said, shocked the kid didn't fight back... Must be raising him wrong? Then again, 16 and 4'2"... Maybe the father has issues w/that?
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted May 30, 2014 Posted May 30, 2014 Shoot, just walking ONE mile - without any weights - is now considered "child abuse": http://thegardenisland.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/father-punished-for-old-school-discipline/article_74fc9c34-e705-11e3-b1ea-001a4bcf887a.html
IDBillzFan Posted May 30, 2014 Posted May 30, 2014 On a serious note is he really 9 already? Yep. Finishing third grade in a few weeks. Crazy.
Beerball Posted June 1, 2014 Author Posted June 1, 2014 http://news.yahoo.com/middle-school-teacher-suspended-showing-video-white-actors-122027921.html
BuffaloBill Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 Where do the courts come off getting involved in this. It's no wonder many parents have no control over their children.
Fan in San Diego Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 To you. Discipline isn't a one-size-fits-all thing. You have to find their hot spot. Taking away games meant nothing to my son. Making him sit in his room alone meant nothing as he'did just sit there and read, and no idiot takes books away from their kid. It took me a while to figure out how to reach my 9 year old, but figure it out we ultimately did. His attitude changed immediately the minute we took away his porn. lol! Funny!
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 (edited) So let me get this straight... Some undesirable gratuitous activities like playing video games and not doing chores is punished with another gratituitous activity like carrying a stone for 3 miles on a public road and then moving the stones back and forth for no purpose. Hmmm... @ least make the child do his chores or put the stones to good use and build a wall or something else productive. Where do the courts come off getting involved in this. It's no wonder many parents have no control over their children. I guess because it is being taken outside the 4 walls of his home and onto a public road where the dash cam on a police cruiser captured the events? Edited June 2, 2014 by ExiledInIllinois
Beerball Posted June 9, 2014 Author Posted June 9, 2014 Wonder when the parents of this pair get charged.
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