California nutcase kills 7, wounds 7 - leaves video on YouTube

[birdog1960]

have you ever seen what the blacks will do when they have skittles?

"glenn beck"

[B-Man]

Why Santa Barbara shootings are not just about gun control

Christian Science Monitor, by Mark Sappenfield

 

Original Article

 

The fingers are already pointing, the headlines already blaring. Once again, a young man, angry at the world, has ended his life in a hail of gunfire, taking with him innocent victims.

 

(Snip)

 

But to researchers who have studied the trend, these are secondary – though important – factors. The young men who are overwhelmingly responsible for these shooting sprees fit a very clear portrait: self-obsessed yet marginalized in some way. Their rampages are not fits of senseless rage, but cold, calculating attempts to level the score with society.

 

In the attempt to become an antihero – to lay bare how they think they have been wronged by others – these men need an audience, and shooting sprees are the ultimate way to get one.

 

"Mass shootings are a kind of theater," wrote Ari Schulman, editor of the journal The New Atlantis, in The Wall Street Journal last year. "Their purpose is essentially terrorism – minus, in most cases, a political agenda. The public spectacle, the mass slaughter of mostly random victims, is meant to be seen as an attack against society itself."

 

The senselessness "is just the point of mass shootings: It is the means by which the perpetrator seeks to make us feel his hatred," he added.

 

Indeed, to researchers, neither the mass killer nor his motives are a mystery, and many aspects of Rodger's life fit squarely into trends observed by researchers.

 

much more at the link:

[birdog1960]

much more at the link:

'collectors of injustice who nurture their wounded narcissism"...uh oh. sound familiar? (and by injustice, i think we can assume the originator means personal injustice). profound quote but other than that, not much to this article. the killers are angry at society. well who would have ever thought of that?

 

he notes common traits in many of the recent killers...um, hum. what are they? doesn't say but a superficial review would include that they are all male, middle to upper middle class, students and college aged, carrying soft or more well defined psychiatric diagnoses and are socially isolated. social isolation and/or ineptitude seems a particularly common thread. therefore...? every one of us knew people like this in high school and/or college (and or professional life) but very, very few of us know or have known any mass murderers.

 

he believes these acts are "epidemic". but why now? acts like this would have made the national tv news 50 years ago. the statement would have been just a loudly heard and hated.

 

nope. a culture full of narcissistic, nihilistic people devoid of compassion (and a generation that is concentrated with such individuals) is largely to blame here. the rest of the story is mostly fluff.

Edited May 26, 2014 by birdog1960

[Dante]

'collectors of injustice who nurture their wounded narcissism"...uh oh. sound familiar? (and by injustice, i think we can assume the originator means personal injustice). profound quote but other than that, not much to this article. the killers are angry at society. well who would have ever thought of that?

 

he notes common traits in many of the recent killers...um, hum. what are they? doesn't say but a superficial review would include that they are all male, middle to upper middle class, students and college aged, carrying soft or more well defined psychiatric diagnoses and are socially isolated. social isolation and/or ineptitude seems a particularly common thread. therefore...? every one of us knew people like this in high school and/or college (and or professional life) but very, very few of us know or have known any mass murderers.

 

he believes these acts are "epidemic". but why now? acts like this would have made the national tv news 50 years ago. the statement would have been just a loudly heard and hated.

 

nope. a culture full of narcissistic, nihilistic people devoid of compassion (and a generation that is concentrated with such individuals) is largely to blame here. the rest of the story is mostly fluff.

I agree with this. But how did they get there? Is it the trophy for everyone despite no accomplishment and your awesome kind of culture? I think who really should be looked at is the parents who raised this nutty buddy. That's where all this crap starts. I'm also curious what kind of meds this guy was on (If any) and what mind altering stuff they cause? Edited May 26, 2014 by Dante

[Wacka]

The attempt by the left to link him to theTEA Party blew upright in their faces. They c;aim he is racist. Three of the victims are asian.As was the shooter. Two his roommates who were moving out in about a week. The third was a friend of his roommate, All three th were stabbed and from the SF Bat area as was the guy ge rammed with car. The guns were legally bought and he was of legal age. If he was a misongenist then why were about half injured men? His parents had him picked up on a 5150 call but the liberal shrinks and judges let him go. they are the ones to blame His parents found his video about killing his roommates, but arrived too late. He was a Fan of the Young Turks left wing You Tube show and had a subscription tp it.

[B-Man]

After the UCSB Killings

 

In the wake of a mass murder in Isla Vista, Calif., critics of America’s gun laws have been predictably quick to trot out the classics, advocating the passage of new restrictions on the right to keep and bear arms and blaming the National Rifle Association for opposing what are invariably termed “common sense” reforms. On Sunday, Senator Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut took to Face the Nation to claim that if Congress had passed his preferred measures last year, it would have “finally” put a “stop the madness” and brought an “end the insanity that has killed too many young people.”

 

This is nonsense.

 

The bill to which Blumenthal refers would have made it illegal for gun owners to trade their firearms privately without undergoing a background check, prohibited magazines that held over ten rounds, and instituted a new ban on what politicians have termed “assault weapons” — that is, standard rifles that boast certain cosmetic features.

 

Blumenthal seems unaware that California not only has all of these rules already — and many more besides — but that the shooter, whom we will not name, broke none of them. Local police have confirmed that all of his guns were bought legally from licensed dealers; that he used only ten-round magazines (he purchased and loaded 41 of them); and that he went nowhere near a so-called “assault weapon,” preferring to use three handguns. Pace Blumenthal, it remains the case that one cannot stop abominations with parchment barriers. Gun crime continues to drop, despite a widespread loosening of the firearms laws.

 

{snip}

 

Weapons are the instrument and not the cause. It is at this point something of a cliché, but it should perhaps be offered anyway: If someone is determined to kill a substantial number of people, they will almost certainly manage to do so. At the University of California, Santa Barbara, the killer stabbed half of his victims at close range and shot the rest with a type of gun that has never been banned anywhere in all of American history. Had he had his way, his rambling manifesto reveals, he would have killed far, far more — and by any means possible. At Halloween, he suggested, “there would literally be thousands of people walking around that I could kill with ease.” What thwarted this plan? “It would be too risky. One gunshot from a cop will end everything.” As it happens, the killer had foreshadowed his own death. The rampage ended when good men with guns closed in and returned fire, prompting their target to turn the gun on himself. It was ever thus.

[truth on hold]

Guns were the weapon in nearly 68% of murders in America.

Knives little more than 13%.

Which one to regulate? hmmmmm ....

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004888.html

[TH3]

"Weapons are the instrument and not the cause. It is at this point something of a cliché, but it should perhaps be offered anyway: If someone is determined to kill a substantial number of people, they will almost certainly manage to do so"

 

One can offer it up...but a lunatic with a gun is far more likely to actually commit an assault. Much easier to pull the trigger from behind both the perceived security a gun offers and as well the distance from the victim. Want to kill someone with a knife - gets personal and the victim can at least fight back somewhat.

 

Additionally - guns are far more deadly than sticks, stones, fists and knives.,,this current guy did kill his roommates with a knife - but that kid in Pittsburgh who went on a knife attack - managed to only injure them - had he had a gun....

 

Think of it this way - replace all the guns in the US with knives.....still think we would have these mass shootings?

 

What the gun does is magnify and leverage the ability and intent of the bad guy....something left out in the "guns don't kill...." mantra

Edited May 27, 2014 by baskin

[3rdnlng]

"Weapons are the instrument and not the cause. It is at this point something of a cliché, but it should perhaps be offered anyway: If someone is determined to kill a substantial number of people, they will almost certainly manage to do so"

 

One can offer it up...but a lunatic with a gun is far more likely to actually commit an assault. Much easier to pull the trigger from behind both the perceived security a gun offers and as well the distance from the victim. Want to kill someone with a knife - gets personal and the victim can at least fight back somewhat.

 

Additionally - guns are far more deadly than sticks, stones, fists and knives.,,this current guy did kill his roommates with a knife - but that kid in Pittsburgh who went on a knife attack - managed to only injure them - had he had a gun....

 

Think of it this way - replace all the guns in the US with knives.....still think we would have these mass shootings?

 

What the gun does is magnify and leverage the ability and intent of the bad guy....something left out in the "guns don't kill...." mantra

 

No, I don't think if we got rid of all the guns in the U.S. there would be any shootings.

[meazza]

Guns were the weapon in nearly 68% of murders in America.

Knives little more than 13%.

Which one to regulate? hmmmmm ....

http://www.infopleas...a/A0004888.html

 

And in Canada there were two mass stabbings in the last month.

 

Can't we all just get along?

[3rdnlng]

And in Canada there were two mass stabbings in the last month.

 

Can't we all just get along?

 

If we got rid of all the knives in Canada, there would be no more knife stabbings there.

[B-Man]

It's just swell that every tragedy gives us a new opportunity to declare that those who disagree with us are really to blame.

 

 

I like this deal.

 

The Left dishonestly uses a horrible crime to attempt to restrict my liberties;

 

I stay quiet out of “respect.”

 

Gee....... Where do I sign?

[Chef Jim]

"Weapons are the instrument and not the cause. It is at this point something of a cliché, but it should perhaps be offered anyway: If someone is determined to kill a substantial number of people, they will almost certainly manage to do so"

 

One can offer it up...but a lunatic with a gun is far more likely to actually commit an assault. Much easier to pull the trigger from behind both the perceived security a gun offers and as well the distance from the victim. Want to kill someone with a knife - gets personal and the victim can at least fight back somewhat.

 

Additionally - guns are far more deadly than sticks, stones, fists and knives.,,this current guy did kill his roommates with a knife - but that kid in Pittsburgh who went on a knife attack - managed to only injure them - had he had a gun....

 

Think of it this way - replace all the guns in the US with knives.....still think we would have these mass shootings?

 

What the gun does is magnify and leverage the ability and intent of the bad guy....something left out in the "guns don't kill...." mantra

 

What if that bad guy has a gun and is coming into your house and you don't have one? I like to fight on a level playing field thank you very much.

[DC Tom]

One can offer it up...but a lunatic with a gun is far more likely to actually commit an assault. Much easier to pull the trigger from behind both the perceived security a gun offers and as well the distance from the victim. Want to kill someone with a knife - gets personal and the victim can at least fight back somewhat.

 

Tautological. The definition of "lunatic" in this context is "one who commits an assault."

[TH3]

What if that bad guy has a gun and is coming into your house and you don't have one? I like to fight on a level playing field thank you very much.

 

Not making any comments on gun rights. We have the most liberal gun rights in the industrialized world - written into our constitution with its own amendment.

 

What I am saying though - is that the "guns don't kill people" line is only a half truth....one could say that - but the back end of that is guns make killing people much easier and much more probably when used compared to other weapons.

[keepthefaith]

Someone who wants to do what Roger did will find a way without a gun. Build a bomb, start a fire, mow down a bunch of people with a car or other means. I don't think removing the convenience of a gun reduces these attacks much unfortunately. Like many bad things, it usually takes a series of occurrences to end in this bad result. In this case there were missed opportunities to intervene by the therapist, parents and police. They made an effort but it fell short. That will be looked at very closely if the media can get off the knee-jerk gun control mantra.

[DC Tom]

Not making any comments on gun rights. We have the most liberal gun rights in the industrialized world - written into our constitution with its own amendment.

 

What I am saying though - is that the "guns don't kill people" line is only a half truth....one could say that - but the back end of that is guns make killing people much easier and much more probably when used compared to other weapons.

 

About an 85% chance of dying from a gunshot wound. Stab wound - 90%.

 

Doesn't seem "much" easier.

 

Someone who wants to do what Roger did will find a way without a gun. Build a bomb, start a fire, mow down a bunch of people with a car or other means.

 

He did, in fact, run several people over with his car.

[meazza]

About an 85% chance of dying from a gunshot wound. Stab wound - 90%.

 

Doesn't seem "much" easier.

 

 

 

He did, in fact, run several people over with his car.

 

He also stabbed three people which didn't draw any attention since stabbing makes less noise than gun shots.

[TakeYouToTasker]

'collectors of injustice who nurture their wounded narcissism"...uh oh. sound familiar? (and by injustice, i think we can assume the originator means personal injustice). profound quote but other than that, not much to this article. the killers are angry at society. well who would have ever thought of that?

 

he notes common traits in many of the recent killers...um, hum. what are they? doesn't say but a superficial review would include that they are all male, middle to upper middle class, students and college aged, carrying soft or more well defined psychiatric diagnoses and are socially isolated. social isolation and/or ineptitude seems a particularly common thread. therefore...? every one of us knew people like this in high school and/or college (and or professional life) but very, very few of us know or have known any mass murderers.

 

he believes these acts are "epidemic". but why now? acts like this would have made the national tv news 50 years ago. the statement would have been just a loudly heard and hated.

 

nope. a culture full of narcissistic, nihilistic people devoid of compassion (and a generation that is concentrated with such individuals) is largely to blame here. the rest of the story is mostly fluff.

Until very recently, we used to commit these whakados to facilities long before they began to act on their larger impulses. Now we give them a copy of GTA 5, and tell them they're OK just the way they are.

[KD in CA]

have you ever seen what the blacks will do when they have skittles?

 

Apparently they'll attack and savagely beat a man for the crime of walking behind him on a sidewalk. And yet we continue to drag our feet on regulation of Skittles.

Edited May 27, 2014 by KD in CT