Kirby Jackson Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 Mike williams was drafted at 4. 1. Carr 2. Peppers. 3. Harrington 4. Williams We are talking about different Milke Williams'. The Bills Mike Williams was not considered safe. He was a boom or bust guy. Peppers and McKinnie were the 2 safe picks in that draft. Dude, what are you talking about? Mike Williams was drafted #4 overall in the 2002 draft. Look it up homey, you are utterly and unquestionably wrong. And your list of a few good small school players? I can guarantee you that I can come up with a list of small school guys that put up huge numbers that didn't do anything in the NFL or even make the NFL at all. Hell, the best QB in the MAC last year got signed as a RB, a RB!!! Come up with a list of small school guys picked in the top 12 picks and see how many are busts. Typically when a small school guy goes early it is for a reason. I will defer to most experts on this in terms of how safe Mack is. That is why there was chatter about him going as high as 1 overall.
BringBackFergy Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 The only time bust is used in conjunction with Randall is when he busts through the other teams lousy attempt at blocking him. %BeastNotBust Don't let him see you mis-spelled his first name...RanDELL will be furious (which is ok in my book). He's a mean mother. %RandellBandwagon
Dean Cain Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 Mike Evans because Jim Rome thought he gave a boring interview - http://deadspin.com/mike-evanss-jim-rome-show-appearance-was-truly-awful-1579122173.
BringBackFergy Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 I voted Sammy Watkins to make people mad %hashtagmad
Mark80 Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) We are talking about different Milke Williams'. The Bills Mike Williams was not considered safe. He was a boom or bust guy. Peppers and McKinnie were the 2 safe picks in that draft. Come up with a list of small school guys picked in the top 12 picks and see how many are busts. Typically when a small school guy goes early it is for a reason. I will defer to most experts on this in terms of how safe Mack is. That is why there was chatter about him going as high as 1 overall. So now your qualifying it to a top 12 pick so you can be right huh? Not so fast. Since 2000: David Carr, Bryon Leftwich, Leodis McKelvin (sorry, but for an 11 pick he doesn't pass muster), Aaron Curry (yes it's ACC, but their enrollment is only 5,000 undegrads so I'm counting it). There is 4. You named only 3 good ones (Vincent and Romo were not top 12). I'll even give you Urlacher. Even if you can come up with 2 more good ones in the top 12, that's still a 40% failure / bust rate. And again, I said I like Mack, he just worries me a bit. I clearly said that I think Barr is the bust of the draft. Edited May 21, 2014 by Mark80
boyst Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 %hashtagmad I always forget to do that when I'm on my phone. I gotta keep it up. Its so annoying and gimmicky. I love it #thatsmyswag
Big C Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 Don't let him see you mis-spelled his first name...RanDELL will be furious (which is ok in my book). He's a mean mother. %RandellBandwagon Damn autocorrect! After 2014, though, Randell will be in every phone dictionary. %TheWorldWillKnowHisName %YearofRandell
Not at the table Karlos Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 We are talking about different Milke Williams'. The Bills Mike Williams was not considered safe. He was a boom or bust guy. Peppers and McKinnie were the 2 safe picks in that draft. The mike williams the lions drafted was not by any means considered a safe pick he sat out the whole year before the draft.
Felonious Monk Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 Not listed...Johnny Football. I agree with this, even through I really like Manziel. I think Cleveland is a horrible fit. FM
Mark80 Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 The mike williams the lions drafted was not by any means considered a safe pick he sat out the whole year before the draft. He never said Mike Williams (wr-usc) was a safe pick. I said Mike Williams (ol we drafted) was considered one at the time and he thought I was talking about the other one (USC).
YoloinOhio Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) Wasn't Aaron Curry and Mike Williams two of the "safest" players in their drafts as well? How did that go? Truthfully, I can sort of see Mack being a bit of a bust. Played pretty bad competition (including a very overrated Ohio State team last season). He didn't do anything against Baylor the next week who had a much better offense. I hope not, but I can see it. Overall, I think it's Barr though, followed by Brandin Cooks. He played OSU's offense, not their defense. It ended the season, including the losses in the B1G Championship and Orange Bowl, ranked 6th in the country. Their lowest scoring output of the year was 24 on MSU, who allowed an avg of 12 pts/ game. It was the highest scoring offense in OSU team history. Edited May 21, 2014 by YoloinOhio
Kirby Jackson Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 So now your qualifying it to a top 12 pick so you can be right huh? Not so fast. Since 2000: David Carr, Bryon Leftwich, Leodis McKelvin (sorry, but for an 11 pick he doesn't pass muster), Aaron Curry (yes it's ACC, but their enrollment is only 5,000 undegrads so I'm counting it). There is 4. You named only 3 good ones (Vincent and Romo were not top 12). I'll even give you Urlacher. Even if you can come up with 2 more good ones in the top 12, that's still a 40% failure / bust rate. And again, I said I like Mack, he just worries me a bit. I clearly said that I think Barr is the bust of the draft. I guess that my point is that the bust rate of small school guys intuitively is less than that I large school guys (at least early in the draft). They have to overcome so much more scrutiny to get picked there. Scouting today is so advanced because of technology that there are less and less busts. You can pull up Mack and say "I want to see every play that he was double teamed on 3rd & 5 or longer" and immediately see it all. That is just an example but there is less left to chance. Agree on Barr as he was my vote. I am scared by guys with lots of natural talent but inconsistent production. I hated Mingo last year (he actually exceeded my expectations).
1B4IDie Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) A Bust in the Top 10 is held to a different Standard then a bust later in the draft imo. I think there are a few that were draft in Top 10 in 2014 that will have decent NFL careers but be considered NFL busts because of where they were drafted. I chose Mack in the poll because well the Raiders are a mess and LB in the Top 10 is already a stretch to be successful. I don't think Bortles will be a "Franchise QB." I think "WAR" is the best measurement of a "Franchise QB" if the QB leads the team to win games that the team would lose without the QB or with an average QB then that QB is a Franchise QB. I think Bortles is headed to be an average QB at best. I think that would be considered a bust at #3 overall. Ebron, is not especially, tall, fast, or has good hands. He is just an average build and ability. I have no idea how he got elevated to a Top 10 pick and why. The one thing he does have going for him is attitude. I don't think he'll ever be a 1,000 yard or 100 catch TE and that is what you want out of a Top 10 TE pock. He'll be a 50 catch 500 yard TE for a decade plus. Again; a good player but that may be a bust for a Top 10 pick. Mack needs to be 10 year sack man every year to be worth the #5 overall pick. I don't know if that is Mack's reality in the NFL. I expect he'll be the first one to wash out of the team that drafted him in the Top 10. The Raiders will try to recycle him after two season with single digit sacks. Anthony Barr may be the first actually bust - bust. He is weak. He couldn't bench at the combine and that really scares me for a LB. If Mike Zimmer escorts Barr to the weight room and stays on his case it may translate. Bench is an easy exercise to improve with more reps. Barr knew he needed to show bench at the combine and had three months to prepare. Why the poor showing? It points to a lack of preparation. I find that worrisome. Went might rescue Barr is good coaching with Zimmer and team, but Rivers is on the Buffalo Bills after washing out with Zimmer. (Speaking of Rivers, the guy seems like a great guy to grab a beer with or go to an art show, http://www.buffalobi...4-cf516d8ce7d6. I like LBs more like Kiko though "See Ball; Get Ball") Justin Gilbert - Was he really worth trading up for? I don't get it. He should be a solid CB. Mike Evans vs Sammy Watkins - I hope in 5 years there is no discussion, and Sammy Watkins is a several time All Pro and Super Bowl MVP. It'll be interesting to watch these two careers. I don't think either one will be a bust bust but will either won be a consecutive 1000 yard receiver with 10 + touchdowns a year? Clowney at OLB is that the right fit? Is Houston Repeating history with Mario Williams just accelerated. The guy is a freak of nature but I hope its not a square peg in a round hole. As for the Lineman. - Robinson is an athletic MOnster but has the higher Bust potential over Jake Mathews - especially with Robinson getting thrown into the fire in the NFC West and having to play the Seahawks, Cardinals and 9ers twice a year as a rookie. That is 6 tough games that make all pro Tackles look bad - But thats why you draft a Tackle that high if you're the Rams. Edited May 21, 2014 by Why So Serious?
Not at the table Karlos Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) He never said Mike Williams (wr-usc) was a safe pick. I said Mike Williams (ol we drafted) was considered one at the time and he thought I was talking about the other one (USC). he said we were talking about a different mike williams after I said he(the one we drafted) was drafted 4th overall. He also said the tackle mike williams(bills no.4 overall) was considered boom or bust and not a safe pick. The only mike williams drafted at 10 was the mike williams from usc that was drafted by the lions. Edit: we all mixed up and were talking about different people Edited May 21, 2014 by kr632
OldTimer1960 Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) Dude, what are you talking about? Mike Williams was drafted #4 overall in the 2002 draft. Look it up homey, you are utterly and unquestionably wrong. And your list of a few good small school players? I can guarantee you that I can come up with a list of small school guys that put up huge numbers that didn't do anything in the NFL or even make the NFL at all. Hell, the best QB in the MAC last year got signed as a RB, a RB!!! That is how I remember it and Wikipedia says so - Williams was the 4th pick Edited May 21, 2014 by OldTimer1960
Not at the table Karlos Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) That is how I remember it and Wikipedia says so - Williams was the 4th pick I think we all got our mike williams mixed up. Lol the bills tackle mike williams was drafted 4th and the lions WR mike williams was drafted 10th and our current wr was drafted in the 4th round pick 101 Edited May 21, 2014 by kr632
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