truth on hold Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) Going with Bortles. Didn't see him as a top 10 pick, and not even the best QB. #3 overall will get a ton of attention, especially if it's a QB. Adding insult to injury, when the inevitable reigns are handed to him from Henne, I think there will be a drop-off and fans will be saying they want Henne back. Edited May 21, 2014 by Joe_the_6_pack
YoloinOhio Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) Going with Bortles. Didn't see him as a top 10 pick, and not even the best QB. #3 overall will get a ton of attention, especially if it's a QB. Adding insult to injury, when the inevitable reigns are handed to him from Henne, I think there will be a drop-off and fans will be saying they want Henne back. But we won't know if he is a bust until the end of 2015 at the earliest. The Jags have been very forthright that he is not going to play (I assume unless there is an injury to Henne) in 2014. Even then, it would probably be 2016 or later before he could be labeled as such. Edited May 21, 2014 by YoloinOhio
truth on hold Posted May 21, 2014 Author Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) But we won't know if he is a bust until the end of 2015 at the earliest. The Jags have been very forthright that he is not going to play (I assume unless there is an injury to Henne) in 2014. fair enough, I should have specified I meant from this year's draft, not known this year. Think of it from the perspective of about 5 years out. **title changed to try and reflect that Edited May 21, 2014 by Joe_the_6_pack
YoloinOhio Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 fair enough, I should have specified I meant from this year's draft, not known this year. Think of it from the perspective of about 5 years out. **title changed to try and reflect that OK - makes sense!
BringBackFergy Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 Noticeably absent from the list above is Randell Johnson......smart move. The kid is a stud. %Grrrrrrr
Kirby Jackson Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 It's extremely unlikely to be Watkins, Mack or Mathews IMO. Those were the 3 safest players in the draft. When I think of bust players it is almost always someone with tons of upside but inconsistent (or limited) production. With that being said for me it is Barr or Bortles.
Maury Ballstein Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) Clowney.... And his 3 sack senior season 320 pound lineman gonna eat his lunch Who voted Watkins ? Boo this man ! Edited May 21, 2014 by Ryan L Billz
Big C Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 Noticeably absent from the list above is Randell Johnson......smart move. The kid is a stud. %Grrrrrrr The only time bust is used in conjunction with Randall is when he busts through the other teams lousy attempt at blocking him. %BeastNotBust
Mark Vader Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 Anthony, Barr none. Agreed. One year wonder. The Vikings had better have a plan.
Mark80 Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 It's extremely unlikely to be Watkins, Mack or Mathews IMO. Those were the 3 safest players in the draft. When I think of bust players it is almost always someone with tons of upside but inconsistent (or limited) production. With that being said for me it is Barr or Bortles. Wasn't Aaron Curry and Mike Williams two of the "safest" players in their drafts as well? How did that go? Truthfully, I can sort of see Mack being a bit of a bust. Played pretty bad competition (including a very overrated Ohio State team last season). He didn't do anything against Baylor the next week who had a much better offense. I hope not, but I can see it. Overall, I think it's Barr though, followed by Brandin Cooks.
Kirby Jackson Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 Wasn't Aaron Curry and Mike Williams two of the "safest" players in their drafts as well? How did that go? Truthfully, I can sort of see Mack being a bit of a bust. Played pretty bad competition (including a very overrated Ohio State team last season). He didn't do anything against Baylor the next week who had a much better offense. I hope not, but I can see it. Overall, I think it's Barr though, followed by Brandin Cooks. Mike Williams was never considered safe because he was slow. That is why he almost fell out of the top 10. Aaron Curry is one random exception. Mack has off the charts measurables and years of consistent production. In addition, his game is extremely versatile. He can play in space, rush the passer and play the run. That typically translates. That is why he is viewed as so safe (same goes for the other 2). The guys that bust are the guys that do one thing well or people become enamored with just their measurables. Barr is someone as an example that has some raw pass rush ability. He had a great year two years ago and regressed this year. He is a converted RB that no one has any idea if he can play the run or in coverage (despite his good athleticism).
Mark80 Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) Mike Williams was never considered safe because he was slow. That is why he almost fell out of the top 10. Aaron Curry is one random exception. Mack has off the charts measurables and years of consistent production. In addition, his game is extremely versatile. He can play in space, rush the passer and play the run. That typically translates. That is why he is viewed as so safe (same goes for the other 2). The guys that bust are the guys that do one thing well or people become enamored with just their measurables. Barr is someone as an example that has some raw pass rush ability. He had a great year two years ago and regressed this year. He is a converted RB that no one has any idea if he can play the run or in coverage (despite his good athleticism). We drafted Williams at number 4. How is that almost falling out of the top 10? You can also add Robert Gallery and Jason Smith as safe OTs drafted top 5 that busted. I like Mack, don't get me wrong, I just really value the level of competition in determining how well they will adjust to the NFL and UB plays garbage teams all season long. Like I said, he was invisible versus the best offense they saw last year, Baylor, and that worries me a bit. Also Keith Rivers and Ernie Sims were seen as pretty safe as well, they'd both have to be seen as busts as of now (hopefully not for long for Rivers), so I don't think Curry is as rare of an exception as you believe. Edited May 21, 2014 by Mark80
Kirby Jackson Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 We drafted Williams at number 4. How is that almost falling out of the top 10? I like Mack, don't get me wrong, I just really value the level of competition in determining how well they will adjust to the NFL and UB plays garbage teams all season long. Like I said, he was invisible versus the best offense they saw last year, Baylor, and that worries me a bit. He was the 10th pick. Level of competition is so overblown. Last year the first overall pick came from the Mac (but he struggled). Joe Staley, Tony Romo, Demarcus Ware, Big Ben, Vincent Jackson all went to small schools. There are a lot more than that. Everyone that UB played game planned to stop Mack because they had no one else.
Hplarrm Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 With memories of Eric Moulds I will let you know in 3 years.
Not at the table Karlos Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 Clowney.... And his 3 sack senior season 320 pound lineman gonna eat his lunch Who voted Watkins ? Boo this man ! holy crap I didnt realize clowney had 3 sacks his sr year. That is terrible
Dorkington Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 I had to go with Watkins. Why? Because Bills. I'm feeling cynical today
Not at the table Karlos Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 He was the 10th pick. Level of competition is so overblown. Last year the first overall pick came from the Mac (but he struggled). Joe Staley, Tony Romo, Demarcus Ware, Big Ben, Vincent Jackson all went to small schools. There are a lot more than that. Everyone that UB played game planned to stop Mack because they had no one else. Mike williams was drafted at 4. 1. Carr 2. Peppers. 3. Harrington 4. Williams
Mark80 Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) He was the 10th pick. Level of competition is so overblown. Last year the first overall pick came from the Mac (but he struggled). Joe Staley, Tony Romo, Demarcus Ware, Big Ben, Vincent Jackson all went to small schools. There are a lot more than that. Everyone that UB played game planned to stop Mack because they had no one else. Dude, what are you talking about? Mike Williams was drafted #4 overall in the 2002 draft. Look it up homey, you are utterly and unquestionably wrong. And your list of a few good small school players? I can guarantee you that I can come up with a list of small school guys that put up huge numbers that didn't do anything in the NFL or even make the NFL at all. Hell, the best QB in the MAC last year got signed as a RB, a RB!!! Edited May 21, 2014 by Mark80
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