mrags Posted May 17, 2014 Posted May 17, 2014 Who is the best TE in franchise history? Warlick? He is before my time so I don't know. Metzelaars? He was never better than average. Reimersma is probably the best that I remember and he was just pretty good. I don't know if a Bills TE has ever been to a pro bowl? That's insane. pretty sure JR was in the pro bowl once. But I get your point.
mrags Posted May 17, 2014 Posted May 17, 2014 I don't understand half the people on here... 1.) if we have a pass catching tight end, or people talk about the need for one, he is ripped on bc he doesn't block well... 2.) the blocking TE gets trashed because he can't run routes and/or catch well... 3.) Chandler can perform reasonably well on both of these areas, and he's a beast size target, so one would think he is the best of both worlds, but no... Let's save some $$$$ and see what Chandler can do with a more accurate passer and a QB that isn't running for his life... yup
Ramius Posted May 17, 2014 Posted May 17, 2014 Kaufman will go to the Panthers or Patriots. Maybe he can break Naaman Roosevelt's patriots receiving record.
Kirby Jackson Posted May 17, 2014 Posted May 17, 2014 (edited) pretty sure JR was in the pro bowl once. But I get your point. I just googled it because I was curious if we were forgetting someone. Warlick was a 4 time pro bowler. Paul Costa & Charley Fergueson each went but it looks like they were part time tight ends. I feel even more comfortable now than I did before saying that it is the weakest position in franchise history. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/all-pros.htm Edited May 17, 2014 by Kirby Jackson
Buffalo Barbarian Posted May 17, 2014 Posted May 17, 2014 We only had so many draft picks and we went after as many holes in free agency. I'm not going to list all of the acquisitions as everyone knows them. They will have to make due with Chandler and at least one of the other guys. This isn't Madden. I don't know almost any team in the NFL who has superstars at every position on the offense and defense. It was pointed out there were only 4 TEs in the draft worth it, and who do you want to take away. We need all of the guys we took. Which superstar TEs were on the street in free agency? There weren't any that are in their prime. Lastly, where we may have a need at TE, we are now pretty stacked at WR. We're also most likely to be more of a power running team, so where we only have Chandler, we support the run through Frank the Tank. We should have taken Jace Amaro, we could have gotten another tackle latter.
mrags Posted May 17, 2014 Posted May 17, 2014 I just googled it because I was curious if we were forgetting someone. Warlick was a 4 time pro bowler. Paul Costa & Charley Fergueson each went but it looks like they were part time tight ends. I feel even more comfortable now than I did before saying that it is the weakest position in franchise history. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/all-pros.htm im seeing that but I swear Jay Reimersma made it one year. Maybe as an alternate or something. I just swear I remember that happening. Makes me think he was in the PRoBowl the year that Moorman was destroyed on a fake I think. We should have taken Jace Amaro, we could have gotten another tackle latter. no thanks. This kid won't accumulate to anything more than what we have with Chandler. Safarini-Jenkins or Ebron are the only elite type talents in this pool.
NoSaint Posted May 17, 2014 Posted May 17, 2014 I don't understand half the people on here... 1.) if we have a pass catching tight end, or people talk about the need for one, he is ripped on bc he doesn't block well... 2.) the blocking TE gets trashed because he can't run routes and/or catch well... 3.) Chandler can perform reasonably well on both of these areas, and he's a beast size target, so one would think he is the best of both worlds, but no... Let's save some $$$$ and see what Chandler can do with a more accurate passer and a QB that isn't running for his life... You have Jeff George's rocket arm, ryan fitzpatricks intangibles or andy Dalton's acceptable at everything.... Heaven forbid fans would see a chance to improve on any or all of those options.... Chandler is ok at everything and he won't ruin our season but he's one of our most clear opportunities to upgrade.
machine gun kelly Posted May 17, 2014 Posted May 17, 2014 We should have taken Jace Amaro, we could have gotten another tackle latter. BB - I normally agree with you, but here I see the RT position more important. I know a lot of you guys wanted a TE, and so did I. There's just so many picks. Now if many of these guys end up as good as I think they can be, we can definitely focus on TE next year for the right talent. I'm fine with even going second round next year if there is a stud. I just didn't think Amaro was as good as a TE, as Kuondjio is as a Tackle. Anyway, no offense to you big guy. I like your posts.
RCOHEN13 Posted May 17, 2014 Posted May 17, 2014 So now for TE we're left with a guy who 31 teams didn't offer a contract to, a guy who hasn't played in 2 years and a 7th rounder. TE is an important part of today's NFL and we have nothing Doesnt really matter in our O. We have our blocking TE, and Chandler still does his thing and will catch his 40-50 balls for 400-500 and couple TD's. We will be using a lot of 3-4 WR sets or 2 RB sets so wont really need TE on field and when we are in ground and pound, u insert Smith to go along with Chandler.. We will be getting those extra balls to WR;s and hopefully they RB's split out wide sometimes. Sammy alone will get 2 "catches" a game in plays are really running plays in either a simple flanker screen or bubble screen
3rdand12 Posted May 17, 2014 Posted May 17, 2014 Doesnt really matter in our O. We have our blocking TE, and Chandler still does his thing and will catch his 40-50 balls for 400-500 and couple TD's. We will be using a lot of 3-4 WR sets or 2 RB sets so wont really need TE on field and when we are in ground and pound, u insert Smith to go along with Chandler.. We will be getting those extra balls to WR;s and hopefully they RB's split out wide sometimes. Sammy alone will get 2 "catches" a game in plays are really running plays in either a simple flanker screen or bubble screen Seems the Bills clearly have made that decision.. Good post
Kelly the Dog Posted May 17, 2014 Posted May 17, 2014 Chandler had his best season last year, and that wasn't even a year removed from his ACL injury. I'm surprised no one gave him an offer on the market but I'm glad they didn't. Regardless of stats, he had his worst season last year, which is why they didn't really go hard to re-sign him, and no one else did either, so he came back at a relatively low number. He got more catches because the receiver corp was so hobbled. He dropped balls, he dropped crucial balls, he fumbled away a game we had won, and he rarely made big plays the way he did in the previous two years. He's okay but he's far from good.
CountryCletus Posted May 17, 2014 Posted May 17, 2014 You have Jeff George's rocket arm, ryan fitzpatricks intangibles or andy Dalton's acceptable at everything.... Heaven forbid fans would see a chance to improve on any or all of those options.... Chandler is ok at everything and he won't ruin our season but he's one of our most clear opportunities to upgrade. Quite easy to look at holes now that the draft is over... We just replaced quite possibly two spots on our line that were killing us, got a potential stud WR, and found options for the future at MLB, OT, and CB.... Rome wasn't built in a day, well, Jim Rome was built much quicker, but you know what I am saying... Had we taken Ebron, we'd be here talking about trade Stevie, or should have gotten a tackle or some other nonsense... Winning record- watch!
3rdand12 Posted May 17, 2014 Posted May 17, 2014 Regardless of stats, he had his worst season last year, which is why they didn't really go hard to re-sign him, and no one else did either, so he came back at a relatively low number. He got more catches because the receiver corp was so hobbled. He dropped balls, he dropped crucial balls, he fumbled away a game we had won, and he rarely made big plays the way he did in the previous two years. He's okay but he's far from good. Lets keep in mind his injury for perspective. He may not have been full go or limited . I think Bills are glad to have him . But he is a known quantity
NoSaint Posted May 17, 2014 Posted May 17, 2014 Lets keep in mind his injury for perspective. He may not have been full go or limited . I think Bills are glad to have him . But he is a known quantity I don't think he was discounting any of those points as much as saying that as far as career years go... Well... He had a lot of troubles. It might have been statistically his best but it wasn't his most impressive season. The guys reliable, it's just that's reliably average to slightly below. He typically won't be straight up bad either though.
ICanSleepWhenI'mDead Posted May 17, 2014 Posted May 17, 2014 . . . The Bills have NEVER had a TE so it's not like we are getting worse there. It is just an area where the Bills have always been bad. . . . Well, it's not like the #1 offense in the league for a while was named the K-gun or anything. So you think that Keith McKeller was a great player? No, I don't think he was "great." You wrote that the Bills NEVER (all caps yours) had a TE, and also wrote that it's an area where we've "always" been bad. McKeller won't make anybody forget Tony Gonzalez, but TEs that can both catch and block, as opposed to just catch, are frequently under-rated. My point was simply that McKeller could not fairly be characterized as "bad," even if he didn't have gaudy reception stats. McKeller's versatility helped make the K-gun work, as explained with some historical context here: http://www.buddynixon.com/analysis/the-kgun-offense-beyond-no-huddle But this is an Internet message board, so if you want to claim that every Bills' TE who failed to make the Pro Bowl was "bad" - - post away.
Kelly the Dog Posted May 17, 2014 Posted May 17, 2014 I don't think he was discounting any of those points as much as saying that as far as career years go... Well... He had a lot of troubles. It might have been statistically his best but it wasn't his most impressive season. The guys reliable, it's just that's reliably average to slightly below. He typically won't be straight up bad either though. Right. The fact that no one really tried to sign him is pretty much all you need to know. He's decent. We could do a little worse and we could do a lot better.
Kirby Jackson Posted May 17, 2014 Posted May 17, 2014 (edited) No, I don't think he was "great." You wrote that the Bills NEVER (all caps yours) had a TE, and also wrote that it's an area where we've "always" been bad. McKeller won't make anybody forget Tony Gonzalez, but TEs that can both catch and block, as opposed to just catch, are frequently under-rated. My point was simply that McKeller could not fairly be characterized as "bad," even if he didn't have gaudy reception stats. McKeller's versatility helped make the K-gun work, as explained with some historical context here: http://www.buddynixon.com/analysis/the-kgun-offense-beyond-no-huddle But this is an Internet message board, so if you want to claim that every Bills' TE who failed to make the Pro Bowl was "bad" - - post away. I said and stand by TE being the weakest position group in franchise history. If it isn't feel free to tell me which group is worse? People are excited about Chandler on here. There are about 25 TEs NOW that I would trade him for. I have listed them in other threads and I don't feel like reposting. If he set franchise records and is the 25th best TE currently how good have Bills TEs been? Edited May 17, 2014 by Kirby Jackson
ICanSleepWhenI'mDead Posted May 17, 2014 Posted May 17, 2014 I said and stand by TE being the weakest position group in franchise history. If it isn't feel free to tell me which group is worse? The Jills.
3rdand12 Posted May 17, 2014 Posted May 17, 2014 (edited) I don't think he was discounting any of those points as much as saying that as far as career years go... Well... He had a lot of troubles. It might have been statistically his best but it wasn't his most impressive season. The guys reliable, it's just that's reliably average to slightly below. He typically won't be straight up bad either though. I was speaking to last year. The stats were misleading. Scott struggled . I said and stand by TE being the weakest position group in franchise history. If it isn't feel free to tell me which group is worse? People are excited about Chandler on here. There are about 25 TEs NOW that I would trade him for. I have listed them in other threads and I don't feel like reposting. If he set franchise records and is the 25th best TE currently how good have Bills TEs been? seriously ? Excited ?Bills dont use the Te as do some other team i refuse to speak of , and the saints . They have enough receiving threats now to not care. Now if Scott could just drive his blocks a little more..... Edited May 17, 2014 by 3rdand12
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