Who is Yuri? Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 FWIW, loopholes aren't a means of evading taxes, but are exemptions, like being able to write off the interest on your mortgage. Your use of the term illustrates your bias. FWIW, I plucked that word, loophole, directly from Ben Carson. Why don't you take you finger off the trigger, and try to have a reasonable discussion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) FWIW, I plucked that word, loophole, directly from Ben Carson. Why don't you take you finger off the trigger, and try to have a reasonable discussion? It wasn't your use of "loophole" that he took issue with, it was your use of "tax evasion". He stated, quite correctly, that loopholes are the same thing as exemptions, and the use of either is not tax evasion. Tax evasion is non-compliance with the tax code. Companies using loopholes are in compliance. Your use of loaded language reporting to your biases was, although most likely unintentionally, intellectually dishonest. If were going to have a reasonable discussion, it's important, and very reasonable, to point these things out. Edited September 1, 2015 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 That may be true, but let's not forget that you are enamored with a 73 year old socialist who has no shot in winning in this country, which makes you the even larger outlier. I support someone based off of the principles they stand for and what their policy prescriptions are. Their shot of winning is subjective and I think that Sanders chances of winning are much better than the media makes it out to be. If you go by numerous polling data the American people agree with Bernie Sanders on a significant majority of issues. In a Democratic election I think that gives him good odds to be a viable candidate. But even if Sanders didn't have a shot of winning I would still support him, a man who has real policy prescriptions that the majority of the people agree with and a 30+ year career in politics where he has been tremendously consistent and principled on positions. Also the fact that he doesn't take Super Pac Money is another huge plus. Carson on the other hand think geologists, physicists, astrophysicists, and biologists are lying about the age of the Earth. On top of all the other weird and horrible stuff he has said in the past makes Carson a non-viable candidate for anyone with a working brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Frankly, this all has to be a lie. Everyone knows that Republicunts are messed up, where 30% are racist and 30% want you to bow down to the golden arches of their super-sized demons of cancer-causing college costs. That's why Wall Street should pay for Ben Carson to run as a Democrat. [/...lybob_logic] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 He's likable to me. If he wants to close loopholes that allow for tax evasion by large corporations and incredibly wealthy individuals, that's fine too. I'll look into his views on healthcare... that health savings account is interesting. The loopholes are legal, in this country it's legal to bribe representatives to change the tax code for your benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) I support someone based off of the principles they stand for and what their policy prescriptions are. Their shot of winning is subjective and I think that Sanders chances of winning are much better than the media makes it out to be. If you go by numerous polling data the American people agree with Bernie Sanders on a significant majority of issues. In a Democratic election I think that gives him good odds to be a viable candidate. But even if Sanders didn't have a shot of winning I would still support him, a man who has real policy prescriptions that the majority of the people agree with and a 30+ year career in politics where he has been tremendously consistent and principled on positions. Also the fact that he doesn't take Super Pac Money is another huge plus. Carson on the other hand think geologists, physicists, astrophysicists, and biologists are lying about the age of the Earth. On top of all the other weird and horrible stuff he has said in the past makes Carson a non-viable candidate for anyone with a working brain. That's ironic, because anyone with a "working brain" couldn't possibly support his foreign policy and economic policy prescriptions. They are fitting for a country like Denmark, not a super power like the U.S I'm just glad that people with your radical views are still seen as fringe. Edited September 1, 2015 by Magox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 THE DIOGENES FACTOR: WILL SUCCESS SPOIL BEN CARSON? As Roger Simon writes, “The country, as we know from the immense success of Trump, is fed up with the political class:” Diogenes of Sinope, it will be recalled, was the ascetic ancient Greek philosopher famed for spending his life, or a good part of it, looking for an honest man. Carson, at least to some degree, is the man Diogenes, and a significant part of today’s Republican electorate, was and is searching for. Given the other side has as its leading candidate someone who is quite literally the poster child for total political and ethical dishonesty, with a complaisant media doing cartwheels to ignore her behavior, it’s no wonder such a person as Carson is attractive. And this is not even counting the serial prevarications of the incumbent, from “you can keep your doctor” to we will have “anytime, anywhere” inspections of Iran, among a host of others. Most of us are up to our eyes in lies and are in desperate search, like Diogenes, of an “honest man.” Read the whole thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 The loopholes are legal, in this country it's legal to bribe representatives to change the tax code for your benefit. Or what most people like to refer to as "The Clinton Foundation." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Or what most people like to refer to as "The Clinton Foundation." That makes no sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 FWIW, I plucked that word, loophole, directly from Ben Carson. Why don't you take you finger off the trigger, and try to have a reasonable discussion? See below. It wasn't your use of "loophole" that he took issue with, it was your use of "tax evasion". He stated, quite correctly, that loopholes are the same thing as exemptions, and the use of either is not tax evasion. Tax evasion is non-compliance with the tax code. Companies using loopholes are in compliance. Your use of loaded language reporting to your biases was, although most likely unintentionally, intellectually dishonest. If were going to have a reasonable discussion, it's important, and very reasonable, to point these things out. You nailed it. It fascinates me how people think - if it's mine, then it's an exemption. If it's someone who's wealthy, or worse - a corporation, then it's tax evasion. We can have a civil discussion when we all decide to drop the memes and characterize things as they really are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) As a conservative, this is what Dr. Carson is up against.............. The Dumbest Man In Congress Just Called Dr. Ben Carson’s Supporters Ignorant Rep. Hank Johnson (D-GA), a man previously made famous for his belief that an island could somehow capsize and tip over, and who once lamented that his greatest fear involving budget cuts was to experience a “world without balloons,” claims that retired neurosurgeon and conservative candidate for President, Dr. Ben Carson, is an African-American trying to gain support from the ignorant. Johnson, appearing on The Michael Smerconish Show, was discussing race relations under Obama, saying that the President has done “as much as is humanly possible.” He added that Obama is probably the greatest President our nation has ever seen. The problem, Johnson contends, are ignorant black men like Ben Carson and his supporters who act “like a lynch mob” towards the President. http://www.headlinepolitics.com/dumbest-man-congress-just-called-dr-ben-carsons-supporters-ignorant/ Edited September 1, 2015 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 The man thinks Noah's Ark is real and that scientists are lying about evolution (Not to mention a doctor thinks being gay is a choice not a biologically based condition). Any civilized country with access to information would just immediately dismiss him. But with the Republican base he will do great. The question I'd ask Carson is "how old do you think the earth is?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 That makes no sense Perhaps you should study up on The Clinton Foundation. My favorite chapter is "The Secretary of State Years." Tens of millions of dollars in bribes. Now, of course, in all fairness, The Clinton Foundation does a lot of good in the world. Well, as much good as it can do when such a small percentage of the foundation actually goes to charity. Someone has to drive the Queen around, amirite? As a conservative, this is what Dr. Carson is up against.............. The Dumbest Man In Congress Just Called Dr. Ben Carson’s Supporters Ignorant Ignorant? Wow. The racism from the left is brutal these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Perhaps you should study up on The Clinton Foundation. My favorite chapter is "The Secretary of State Years." Tens of millions of dollars in bribes. Now, of course, in all fairness, The Clinton Foundation does a lot of good in the world. Well, as much good as it can do when such a small percentage of the foundation actually goes to charity. Someone has to drive the Queen around, amirite? The Clintons, and their foundation, are nothing more than the secular version of a televangelist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 The question I'd ask Carson is "how old do you think the earth is?" Thank you ...lybob. Nothing that I could write could demonstrate more clearly the absurdity of those liberals attack on Dr. Carson. If you had the chance to ask someone running for President of the United States, your question would be..."how old do you think the earth is?"........... Why not just say........... I don't really care what his position is on anything, I will never vote for a Black, Conservative Republican. At least that would be honest. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 The Clintons, and their foundation, are nothing more than the secular version of a televangelist. Except making a donation to a televangelist doesn't get you in on the Uranium One deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Perhaps you should study up on The Clinton Foundation. My favorite chapter is "The Secretary of State Years." Tens of millions of dollars in bribes. Now, of course, in all fairness, The Clinton Foundation does a lot of good in the world. Well, as much good as it can do when such a small percentage of the foundation actually goes to charity. Someone has to drive the Queen around, amirite? We were talking about buying tax loopholes you simpleton, in this context you bringing up the Clinton foundation makes no sense, if you want to change the topic to bribery for influence in international commerce then say so you sociopathic cretin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 We were talking about buying tax loopholes you simpleton, in this context you bringing up the Clinton foundation makes no sense, if you want to change the topic to bribery for influence in international commerce then say so you sociopathic cretin. Strange. I just ran a few extensive searches for "buying tax loopholes", and various other similar phrases. I got no results linking anything improper. I was sure to include "bribes paid by the wealthy and corporations to lessen their tax burdens." Perhaps, given that your entire argument hinges on the existence of bribes paid for these purposes, you should source them? Thanks in advance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 He has no experience in governing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Strange. I just ran a few extensive searches for "buying tax loopholes", and various other similar phrases. I got no results linking anything improper. I was sure to include "bribes paid by the wealthy and corporations to lessen their tax burdens." Perhaps, given that your entire argument hinges on the existence of bribes paid for these purposes, you should source them? Thanks in advance! http://www.villagevoice.com/news/the-10-most-corrupt-tax-loopholes-6436479 boy you are going to be so sad when a Democrat win the Presidency again, I can't wait to hear about your next use of "elections have consequences" speech to explain why you're an Ahole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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