GaryPinC Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 This is right on as an analysis. Also all the analysis had Watkins as the very best WR in this draft. The "best" requires a premium. Watkins has more ball skills than Beckham who is a combination of a speed and route runner who is not going to out fight a DB for the Ball. The Bills need a guy who can win the contested battles. I also want to see our running backs behind these huge linemen. It is possible that the Bills will have the biggest OL in the league next year. I agree, and to add to what you're saying I look at Watkins' highlights as a man who is driven to be the best. He appears to be relentless in the small amount of film I've seen of him. I caught Polian commenting on ESPN about the trade saying he had concerns because the Bills could have simply picked up Beckham at 9 and not given up all the picks. I do believe Whaley mortgaged the future because he believes Watkins has the elite talent and drive to be the best. Which in my mind is the proper way to build a winner.
Dorkington Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 (edited) I've seen a lot of sites grading the players we drafted really high. Grading our team as having needs at positions we drafted. Grading players ahead of where we drafted them... Then we end up with a "C" or something in the end. It sucks, but it's not unexpected. We are the worst franchise in the league at the moment, there's no reason for anyone to give us respect until we win. Edit: missed an important word haha Edited May 12, 2014 by Dorkington
Thurman#1 Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Somebody went and looked at the past 15 years of mock drafts and ranked how the "experts" did. Kiper was ranked 20 out of 28th. He sucks Whatever else you want to say about Kiper, he's very good at his job. Consistently. http://www.thehuddlereport.com/scoring/mockdrafts.shtml Does that mean he'll be right about this year's draft grades? No, of course not, but Kiper's very good at what he does. As usual on here, give the Bills good grades and you're a genius, give them bad grades and you're a moron. Which isn't how it works out in the long run, generally.
CountDorkula Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 I've seen a lot of sites grading the players we drafted really high. Grading our team as having needs at positions we drafted. Grading players ahead of where we drafted them... Then we end up with a "C" or something in the end. It sucks, but it's unexpected. We are the worst franchise in the league at the moment, there's no reason for anyone to give us respect until we win. I was just coming in to say this. Can anyone really be that surprised by the grades the Bills get? Until the Bills show the ability to draft well consistently, they are always going to have the past "success" or lack of, for others to fall back on.
first_and_ten Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 (edited) giving up 2 top 10 picks for a WR is crazy Why do some people think the Bills gave up two top ten picks? As a matter of fact, they might end up giving up no top ten picks. Edited May 12, 2014 by first_and_ten
DOGNESS Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Kiper sucks. If he was so brilliant some NFL team would pay him 5 million a season to run their draft. Hell begrudgingly bump the grade up to a B when he does his regrading. If this was New England's draft he'd be going on and on about what a genius the hoody is.
ektin Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Kiper and McShay are well informed entertainers. Their job isn't to get the most correct draft it is to create conversation and debates which means ratings. Whenever they release their mock drafts, message boards light up with people taking both sides. They're kind of like the View for sports nuts
BigBuff423 Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 There was a Bleacher Report article a few days before the Draft that essentially busted Kiper and McShay on their projections and how wrong they've been over the last few years, not to mention decade....Kiper evaluates college players...GMs and FO staff evaluate Professional football players with a look at how college football players project to the NFL...to me, that would be Kiper's job description as well..but it seems he fails to understand the bridge or the gap between the two levels of competition making the assumpting that just because a player does well at the college level means he will at the NFL level, or even that a college player who had mariginal success at the college level won't become a really good player in the NFL...the college game and the NFL game are vastly different, which is why it is so difficult to project those who will play well and those who won't, so much is entailed.....but for there to be Draft grades a day later, is ridiculous...3 years later, ok, fair enough...otherwise, shut your pie hole and collect your abusrd salary for basically watching videos and then telling everyone what you think....that's a film critic, not a Scout....
Iraq Vet Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 (edited) I give low marks for his ridiculous hair. What the hell is that anyway... 10W-40 oil? Edited May 12, 2014 by Iraq Vet
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Why do some people think the Bills gave up two top ten picks? As a matter of fact, they might end up giving up no top ten picks. This is correct! I've seen a lot of sites grading the players we drafted really high. Grading our team as having needs at positions we drafted. Grading players ahead of where we drafted them... Then we end up with a "C" or something in the end. It sucks, but it's not unexpected. We are the worst franchise in the league at the moment, there's no reason for anyone to give us respect until we win. Edit: missed an important word haha The funny thing about this post-draft grading is our grades will get better as our record gets better.
KD in CA Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Kiper and McShay were on Mike & Mike a few minutes ago and seemed to agree on the Bills' draft. "Sammy Watkins and not much else" was the summary. They agreed the price for SW was too high given the quality and depth of the WR class, and on that point they may very well turn out to be correct.
gobillsinytown Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Rumor has it that even though we got a "C-", we were .787634 points away from getting a "C". Seems like the coverage of the draft has become more important than the actual draft.
Beerball Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Kiper and McShay were on Mike & Mike a few minutes ago and seemed to agree on the Bills' draft. "Sammy Watkins and not much else" was the summary. They agreed the price for SW was too high given the quality and depth of the WR class, and on that point they may very well turn out to be correct. Yet Kouandjio was #32 on Mel's board and McShay gave him an early 2nd round grade. Seems like good value to me.
hondo in seattle Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Whatever else you want to say about Kiper, he's very good at his job. Consistently. http://www.thehuddle...ockdrafts.shtml Does that mean he'll be right about this year's draft grades? No, of course not, but Kiper's very good at what he does. As usual on here, give the Bills good grades and you're a genius, give them bad grades and you're a moron. Which isn't how it works out in the long run, generally. I agree he's good at his job... which is predicting the draft and making fans feel informed. He's not especially good at predicting the future NFL success of college players.
BigBuff423 Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Yet Kouandjio was #32 on Mel's board and McShay gave him an early 2nd round grade. Seems like good value to me. Agreed...revisionist history...once again. Personally, I think the BILLS Draft - on paper as ALLLLL of them are right now - is arguably one of the best Drafts this year...now, giving up next year's 1st was a steep price, but then the BILLS don't invest in weapons for EJ and the whole world questions why...I also think for many Preston Brown in the 3rd was the sticking point for the Draft grade, and while I don't really know what his value was, be it 3rd, 4th or 5th round value, what I DO know is the BILLS have been all about one thing this off-season: getting better where they weren't all that good last year! Offensive line play and Stopping the Run....seems like the BILLS did address those two issues in this Draft, b/c even with the knocks on Brown, he's known to be a "thumper"...
papazoid Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 this guy says the Bills were of his 5 Winners: http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap2000000349298/article/best-and-most-worrisome-picks-in-2014-nfl-draft
YoloinOhio Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 SB Nation - C+ (but the assessment is good) The Bills paid a steep price to go up and get Sammy Watkins. However, he could complement Robert Woods, Marquise Goodwin and C.J. Spiller in what could be the fastest offense in the NFL. Defenses will have to have their speed defenses on the field or risk getting burnt over the top at any time, and this should open things up for the run game. http://www.sbnation.com/a/nfl-draft-grades-2014
All_Pro_Bills Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 (edited) Yet Kouandjio was #32 on Mel's board and McShay gave him an early 2nd round grade. Seems like good value to me. This was the OT I wanted in the 2nd and when they picked him I was more than happy. And Whaley traded back in the round, still got the guy he wanted and picked up another 5th in the process. But he gets a C-. Okay. Kouandjio, just by seeing his demeanor is a guy that is going to play with a mean and nasty attitude. And the dude looked pissed he dropped so far and when interviewed said something like 'I will make every team that passed on me pay'. This guy is going to be one bad $$s M F tackle. If he can overcome some inconsistency, and the other two guys can correct their shortcomings we should be in good shape on the o-line. I suspect the Bills staff thinks they can coach these guys up, along with some attitude and training changes, and that playing for pay will straighten out any problems they've had in the past. Kiper and McShay can play pocket pool with each other all they want and make themselves feel good by thinking they know better than professional general managers about how to evaluate football players and how their college experience translates to the NFL. And do all that knowing they have the luxury of never having to back up their picks and grades with real-life on the field performance and competition. Edited May 12, 2014 by All_Pro_Bills
The Frankish Reich Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Why do I feel like the Bills are consistently late to the party? CJ Spiller, high 1st round pick just as the era of the running back is ending. Marcel Dareus, high 1st round pick just as the 3-4 is getting phased out. EJ Manuel, traded down for mid-1st round pick because they wanted the read option Kaepernick Jr., just as it appears that the read option offense is starting to look like a historical blip (not that mobile quarterbacks are; they seem here to stay). Traded up for high 1st round pick Sammy, just as the era of the game changing receiver is ending? Watching the Super Bowl I get that feeling. And even if the Bills guessed right this time -- that is, a dominant receiver really does change everything -- the track record of looking for "the next Calvin Johnson" or "the next Cam Newton" is not particularly good, mostly because guys with that kind of talent are few and far between. So while I hope for the best, I have to say I'm concerned that just like CJ Spiller was not the new Chris Johnson, Marcel Dareus was not the next Vince Wilfork, and EJ Manuel was not the next Cam Newton, so Sammy Watkins is not the necessarily the game changer they're hoping for.
Malazan Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Kiper giving them a low grade turns my doubts about the draft around. There is one thing you can count on in life...it is Mel Kiper is wrong and if you agree with them you are wrong. So I now realize that I am wrong about the Bills draft this year.
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