when does the Spiller trade happen?

[Fingon]

How do you figure. Right now CJ is the most expendable of the 4 RB's on this roster. He can't stay on the field and is good for a couple good plays a game. It is more than obvious the Staff wants a guy that can be an every down back and can pound the rock and stay on the damn field. Not have 1-3 big plays then pull himself out after each one.

 

And CJ can talk to Byrd and his agent all he wants, he has done nothing to warrant a huge contract and even if he did unless his name is Adrian Peterson he isnt' getting one as RB's don't get huge contracts anymore.

 

 

 

Because those that do aren't homers and understand football and can give a non biased opinion of CJ that is how. CJ to me is no more than percy Harvin. I would have his butt returning every punt and back there with Goodwin on every kick off. He would be used in 3rd down and special situations.

 

The guy has shown he isn't an every down back. Why do you think we have brought in two new backs?

Spiller has a career yards per carry of 5.1. Do you even realize how insane that is? If Spiller can maintain that YPC for 150 more rushes he could retire and be 3rd ALL-TIME in yards per carry among RB. We are talking about a player who rushed for 1250 yards on 6.0 YPC here. Even on his down year last year he had 900 yards with 4.6 yards per carry.

 

Let's put this in perspective. Marshawn Lynch has had exactly one season in his entire career with a yards per carry over 4.2.

 

Spiller may not be a 30 touch back, but when he's at his best he's a 1000+ yard 6.0 YPC RB. There are very, very few players that can say that. I'm perfectly OK splitting touches between two backs if one of them is averaging 5+ YPC.

Edited May 11, 2014 by Fingon

[Bills Fan of St Augustine]

Bills are all in this year. It's Playoffs or bust. New owner on the way. If they fail again, the new owner will certainly clean house and they will be another 2-4 years back in the rebuilding process. If they miss the playoffs, whomever the new GM is will try and get the 2015 1st back to draft the next franchise QB. Tag & trade Spiller is about the only option to get back in the 1st round next year if things go really bad this year.

I don't think there is any chance we get a number 1 for Spiller. Maybe 2 and more likely a 3. I am fine with trading him though, even at a reduced rate. I see him too often turning no gain into a loss and three yards into no gain. Occassionally, he will hit a hole and break one, but not often enough. Freddie can't do that, but turns a loss into a small gain nd a ssmall gain into five or six.. Bryce Brown may be the ideal back for this team with a big line, his size and speed.

[Section242]

I don't think there is any chance we get a number 1 for Spiller. Maybe 2 and more likely a 3. I am fine with trading him though, even at a reduced rate. I see him too often turning no gain into a loss and three yards into no gain. Occassionally, he will hit a hole and break one, but not often enough. Freddie can't do that, but turns a loss into a small gain nd a ssmall gain into five or six.. Bryce Brown may be the ideal back for this team with a big line, his size and speed.

 

Fred Jackson is a good player and a better story. Who also was missed significant time the two seasons prior to last. He's 33. Now that Stevie is gone C.J. will be the new number 1 target for fans. Not sure who'll move into the 2 spot.

[FireChan]

Spiller has a career yards per carry of 5.1. Do you even realize how insane that is? If Spiller can maintain that YPC for 150 more rushes he could retire and be 3rd ALL-TIME in yards per carry among RB. We are talking about a player who rushed for 1250 yards on 6.0 YPC here. Even on his down year last year he had 900 yards with 4.6 yards per carry.

 

Let's put this in perspective. Marshawn Lynch has had exactly one season in his entire career with a yards per carry over 4.2.

 

Spiller may not be a 30 touch back, but when he's at his best he's a 1000+ yard 6.0 YPC RB. There are very, very few players that can say that. I'm perfectly OK splitting touches between two backs if one of them is averaging 5+ YPC.

 

How many first downs does Marshawn have compared to Spiller?

 

CJ Spiller is a gadget/quickness guy best suited in a one/two punch package. I think we can all agree on that. I don't think he sees himself like that. I doubt he wants what we think is a reasonable contract.

 

While Spiller may be the "best" of those types of quickness RB's, he still has demonstrated a low football IQ as well as some troubling fumbles, the ability to basically be a non factor while playing with any sort of sprain, and an inability to get 3rd and shorts. AKA not a guy who deserves a lucrative, starting, top 10 RB contract.

 

Maybe he'll take a lower salary than I give him credit for. But I don't think he will.

Edited May 11, 2014 by FireChan

[Kelly the Dog]

How many first downs does Marshawn have compared to Spiller?

Per carry, Spiller was better than Lynch on rushing first down percentage in 2011 and 2012. Lynch was substantially better last year than Spiller. The best percentage in one year between them was Spiller in 2012. Overall in the last three years they are close, with Lynch ahead. Although of course, Spiller played hurt almost all of last year on a much worse team with a much worse passing attack.

[Alphadawg7]

 

Per carry, Spiller was better than Lynch on rushing first down percentage in 2011 and 2012. Lynch was substantially better last year than Spiller. The best percentage in one year between them was Spiller in 2012. Overall in the last three years they are close, with Lynch ahead. Although of course, Spiller played hurt almost all of last year on a much worse team with a much worse passing attack.

 

This post shows the difference between facts and made up assumptions. Nice reply

[Solomon Grundy]

 

 

How do you figure. Right now CJ is the most expendable of the 4 RB's on this roster. He can't stay on the field and is good for a couple good plays a game. It is more than obvious the Staff wants a guy that can be an every down back and can pound the rock and stay on the damn field. Not have 1-3 big plays then pull himself out after each one.

 

And CJ can talk to Byrd and his agent all he wants, he has done nothing to warrant a huge contract and even if he did unless his name is Adrian Peterson he isnt' getting one as RB's don't get huge contracts anymore.

 

 

 

Because those that do aren't homers and understand football and can give a non biased opinion of CJ that is how. CJ to me is no more than percy Harvin. I would have his butt returning every punt and back there with Goodwin on every kick off. He would be used in 3rd down and special situations.

 

The guy has shown he isn't an every down back. Why do you think we have brought in two new backs?

 

You do know that many pundits are comparing out latest 1st rd pick to Percy Harvin? If you understood football, like you say, then you would know that many teams in the NFL use two running backs. Hell the SB Bills used two backs! By the way, you mentioned AP I think Minnesota has another RB on their roster. The two new backs that the Bills brought in aren't to replace CJ but can be used as insurance in case of injury. Injuries do occur in the NFL. FredEx and CJ had to play injured last year because we had no replacements for them(Ronnie Wingo). CJ Spiller is still one of the most dynamic, explosive players in the league and I'm DAMN glad he's a Buffalo Bill!

[12Kachy]

Spiller is not going to go anywhere. You should switch his name with Jackson.

[maryland-bills-fan]

Good for a couple plays a game? Cant stay on the field? We are homers or don't know football if we don't want to trade him? LMAO

There are days I hate coming to this board because of threads and posts like this. I wonder how many people here actually watch the games on Sunday past the first few weeks of the season.............[[[[[ Comment: hey, lighten up. The sign of a closed mind is mocking and insulting anything that disagrees with your viewpoint. Can't somebody pose a question about change in direction of the Bills from 6-10, without wetting your panties? ]]]]]]

 

Spiller has NOT been injury prone. Spiller last year had a HIGH ankle sprain, something MANY RB's suffer in their career because they are of high risk for it given the nature of their position. And its also Kryptonite for any RB, but even more so to one who's ability is rooted in speed, explosiveness, agility and cutting.

However, despite how painful this was, Spiller PLAYED THROUGH IT! He didn't sit, something I haven't seen really ever from a RB. This kid gutted it out because our team was decimated by injuries and damn near got us some big wins like the Cincy game. I mean he could barely walk on it and he still busted a long TD run that helped us take that game to OT.

He couldn't stay in games because he needed to sit at least 3 weeks and could be as much as 5 weeks to let that heal. However, with FJ playing hurt, our WR's hurt, our QB's hurt, he didn't want to sit and wanted to try and help keep this team afloat until everyone else got back. This guy should be celebrated for that kind of gutsy performance, yet this board dumps on him every day...the same guy coming off a HUGE season the year before as one of the most electric players in the league.

In the end, splitting carries, playing hurt, struggling through a TERRIBLE OL, dealing with injuries at EVERY other skill position...he STILL put up almost a 1000 yards and averaged 4.6 YPC.

This board is nuts...rather than be EXCITED about a GREAT draft, you are still dumping on one of the most dedicated, toughest and talented players on this team :censored:I can't wait until all the same fools slamming him have to eat there words AGAIN like in 2012 when he shut everyone up...until he got hurt and they got their window to complain again. With our new weapons and more importantly, new OL players, I expect Spiller to see a LOT less stacking of the box and get into space where he will eat teams alive this year.

 

[[[[[[[[ Nothing would make me happier than to see Spiller, somehow getting out into space a lot to use his high speed abilities. But when I see the number of 330 pound linemen on the roster, I don't see a lot of plays that will accomplish that. Something that Spiller doesn't do is hit the hole in the interior line and burst into the open. His instincts are to bounce to the outside (running parallel to the line), outrace the linebackers to the edge and turn the corner. That worked in college, guys in the pros are the cream of the college players and are fully developed professional adults- it doesn't work as well now. ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]

 

We have the makings of one of the most EXPLOSIVE teams in the league this year...you would think people would be excited for once. [[[[[ And somehow you are the experts to say that nobody else is excited? News hint: you are not the center of the universe ]]]]]]]]

 

Okay. Often homers believe that two contradictory things can be true at the same time. Spiller hasn't been injury prone. AND Spiller didn't do good last year because he was injured. What is true is that the smaller fast shifty guys are going to get nailed a lot. They are putting stress on their legs by shifting direction and if they get hit at those times, then the extra force is going to snap something. They also don't have the time to gather themselves up for protection before getting hit.

 

I can think of 40 million good reasons why Spiller could be had for the right price. I was thinking that Stevie was not a #1 receiver and with Fritz gone, would decline further in production---BUT that OBD would never have the cohones and sense to reset their personnel to their plans and trade him for something. They did. Might they do the same with Spiller and get a $30M cheaper back who would be a better fit with a power running, vertical passing, ball control offense? Its possible. Sorry of broaching the topic upset you.

Edited May 11, 2014 by maryland-bills-fan

[maryland-bills-fan]

I don't think there is any chance we get a number 1 for Spiller. Maybe 2 and more likely a 3. I am fine with trading him though, even at a reduced rate. I see him too often turning no gain into a loss and three yards into no gain. Occassionally, he will hit a hole and break one, but not often enough. Freddie can't do that, but turns a loss into a small gain nd a ssmall gain into five or six.. Bryce Brown may be the ideal back for this team with a big line, his size and speed.

The negative plays from Spiller is why I am starting to wonder what his future here is. Negative or zero yards on a regular basis means that long drives are killed. Spiller getting 8 yards running the ball on a 3rd and 10 doesn't do it. Spiller turning a 2nd & 8 into a 3rd and 7 doesn't do it.

 

 

 

 

 

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The guy averaged more YPC than AP, Lynch, Gore and had a "down year." He was ineffective at times but so was the whole team. Having a guy who hopefully will be a true #1 in Watkins should help everybody on the offense. It's not like the guy was Trent Richardson.

 

Every RB brought in means the end of Spiller I guess. Dixon with 2.0 ypc and 56 rushing yards last season should be a viable replacement, right?

 

I think you know more football than that.

 

The 6'1", 233-pound back was a short-yardage and goal line specialist for Jim Harbaugh's crew, scoring eight touchdowns in four seasons despite never carrying the ball more than 70 times in a single season

. http://www.buffaloru...h-buffalo-bills

 

One reason he was brought is because Spiller can not pound the rock in a short yardage situation. Wouldn't it nice to have a 3 down running back who could run inside with authority as well as get to the edge? I don't think it is a good plan to have one dimension on running plays- the more options, the better and the more play action works.

Edited May 11, 2014 by maryland-bills-fan

[1billsfan]

The negative plays from Spiller is why I am starting to wonder what his future here is. Negative or zero yards on a regular basis means that long drives are killed. Spiller getting 8 yards running the ball on a 3rd and 10 doesn't do it. Spiller turning a 2nd & 8 into a 3rd and 7 doesn't do it.

 

I was watching the new Top 100 players show on NFL Network and in profiling a couple of the top defenders they showed two plays with Spiller getting blown up behind the line of scrimmage, well make that Pears was getting blown up in one play and Legursky was getting blown up in the other play. Their getting run over was the only reason the plays failed.

 

A lot of Spiller's problems last year probably dealt with these two specific players starting on the offensive line. This draft looks to have gone a long way to dealing with that problem. Spiller must be ecstatic with this draft.

[maryland-bills-fan]

I was watching the new Top 100 players show on NFL Network and in profiling a couple of the top defenders they showed two plays with Spiller getting blown up behind the line of scrimmage, well make that Pears was getting blown up in one play and Legursky was getting blown up in the other play. Their getting run over was the only reason the plays failed.

 

A lot of Spiller's problems last year probably dealt with these two specific players starting on the offensive line. This draft looks to have gone a long way to dealing with that problem. Spiller must be ecstatic with this draft.

Maybe you're right. I still think we are migrating towards bigger running backs who will be cheaper. Fewer eggs in one basket with the money as well. And maybe a running back who is more than a token pass blocker when EJ is throwing downfield to Watkins.

[maddenboy]

I very much doubt that Stevie would have been traded if we didn't make the MWilliams trade AND selected a WR in the first round. Those two moves together signaled the end for Stevie, otherwise we would have very much needed him.

 

I think you might have it backwards. I think if you look at it thru a different lens, it becomes "The reason we traded for M Williams and were planning to move up and draft Watkins is we wanted/planned to move Stevie"

 

Just like many posters didnt wanna draft a QB because it would take reps from young EJ, the same can be said for reps for our nice stable of young WRs. Stevie gone = more reps for others.

Edited May 11, 2014 by maddenboy

[BuffaloBillsMagic1]

No way the bills invest a 2nd contract in him as it would have to be at least 5y/40M with 16-20M guaranteed.

 

Can't see this franchise doing that.

once donald steps in all things will change!

[Kellyto83TD]

Whaley is sending a message, time to win now and if you can't perform up to expectations you will be gone. And he isn't afraid to cut Buddy Nix' draft picks.

[BUFFALOTONE]

I really hope CJ stays a Bill but he does frustrate the hell out of me with his horrific vision. He's a home run talent and someone will want that. Look we traded next years first I think it's logical we dangle CJ to get it back. Just a thought....

[K D]

CJ gets a new contract, Fred gets a 2 yr deal to retire as a Bill, and we win the Super Bowl. Case closed

[dogman]

Spiller is a fun toy on a mediocre team. If you wanna be good your running back has to take a three yard gain when it is there, and not run sideways to imaginary holes.

Whaley is behaving as if he thinks the Bills will be good-hope he is right. Therefore, Spiller is gone before the season starts. Running back by committee is the plan. Hoping to get our No#1 back for next year.

[Section242]

The negative plays from Spiller is why I am starting to wonder what his future here is. Negative or zero yards on a regular basis means that long drives are killed. Spiller getting 8 yards running the ball on a 3rd and 10 doesn't do it. Spiller turning a 2nd & 8 into a 3rd and 7 doesn't do it.

 

 

 

 

 

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I think you know more football than that.

 

 

. http://www.buffaloru...h-buffalo-bills

 

One reason he was brought is because Spiller can not pound the rock in a short yardage situation. Wouldn't it nice to have a 3 down running back who could run inside with authority as well as get to the edge? I don't think it is a good plan to have one dimension on running plays- the more options, the better and the more play action works.

 

I think Dixon was brought in for ST and will be lucky to make the roster.

 

You always mention Spiller and short yardage but isn't it more of an indictment on Jackson who should be the guy getting the ball in short yardage situation?

[FireChan]

 

 

I think Dixon was brought in for ST and will be lucky to make the roster.

 

You always mention Spiller and short yardage but isn't it more of an indictment on Jackson who should be the guy getting the ball in short yardage situation?

 

Was it an indictment on Spiller when Chan would stop using him?