3rdand12 Posted May 13, 2014 Posted May 13, 2014 Steve johnson is gone. Graham is my worry . maybe under Moore he will get it together. Hillard might have been less of a coach then i thought he would be. the receivers in general struggled . Steve johnson is gone. Graham is my worry . maybe under Moore he will get it together. Hillard might have been less of a coach then i thought he would be. the receivers in general struggled . ps and pardon me . this is a stevie thread.back to your regular program
QB Bills Posted May 13, 2014 Posted May 13, 2014 (edited) TJ Graham is ALWAYS open, incredibly open in fact, a ridiculous amount of plays. He can surely run a route and separate. Unfortunately, he just can't catch or hang onto the ball. That's not entirely accurate. He has never been hit in stride the way Goodwin has. I prefer Goodwin also but Graham takes far too much abuse here. He's not bad as a deep threat. The problem is the qbs suck. Edited May 13, 2014 by QB Bills
Awwufelloff Posted May 13, 2014 Posted May 13, 2014 Stevie Johnsons facebook page looks like he has already hit the field hard with training. He can't slack off like he did with the Bills. The 49ers won't accept that. I still wish we could of kept him one last year and then traded him after he had what could of been a rebound season.
SBUffalo Posted May 13, 2014 Posted May 13, 2014 Stevie Johnsons facebook page looks like he has already hit the field hard with training. He can't slack off like he did with the Bills. The 49ers won't accept that. I still wish we could of kept him one last year and then traded him after he had what could of been a rebound season. He didn't slack off with the Bills. Sick of people just throwing bull **** out about the guy now that he's gone. He always worked hard and was there for workouts...
Awwufelloff Posted May 13, 2014 Posted May 13, 2014 (edited) He didn't slack off with the Bills. Sick of people just throwing bull **** out about the guy now that he's gone. He always worked hard and was there for workouts... Oh really? I've worked out 5 days a week for the last 2 and a half years and I am not even in professional sports. To be the best you can possibly be you need to train harder than the next guy. He could of been so much better had he actually trained during the off season. Might have prevented all his groin injuries. http://www.buffaloru...s-buffalo-bills Edited May 13, 2014 by Awwufelloff
SBUffalo Posted May 13, 2014 Posted May 13, 2014 Oh really? http://www.buffaloru...s-buffalo-bills Anddddd? He was always at the Bills workouts. This is referencing what he was doing when there were no workouts going on with the team. He never "worked out" the way a lot of guys did, but he always kept himself in very good shape, obviously. Him being at the 49ers workouts is nothing new. Stop trying to spin it to be that.
Awwufelloff Posted May 13, 2014 Posted May 13, 2014 (edited) Anddddd? He was always at the Bills workouts. This is referencing what he was doing when there were no workouts going on with the team. He never "worked out" the way a lot of guys did, but he always kept himself in very good shape, obviously. Him being at the 49ers workouts is nothing new. Stop trying to spin it to be that. Not spinning anything. An organization like 49ers requires nothing but excellence. If your not up to par and doing the best you can in the off season and at team workouts your not trying hard enough. The 49ers organization won't let people not train in the off season, because if you don't you won't make the team because of how much talent they have. I have a Stevie Jersey and he was one of my favorite bills the last 5 years, nothing against him but he had many issues. Edited May 13, 2014 by Awwufelloff
mrags Posted May 13, 2014 Posted May 13, 2014 TJ Graham is ALWAYS open, incredibly open in fact, a ridiculous amount of plays. He can surely run a route and separate. Unfortunately, he just can't catch or hang onto the ball. Featherstone in Necessary Roughness was always open too. Doesn't mean anything if he can't catch it or his QBs can't get it to him. Just saying.
Kelly the Dog Posted May 13, 2014 Posted May 13, 2014 (edited) That's not entirely accurate. He has never been hit in stride the way Goodwin has. I prefer Goodwin also but Graham takes far too much abuse here. He's not bad as a deep threat. The problem is the qbs suck. Actually, in practice, preseason and the regular season especially, for a rookie track star, Goodwin showed a tremendous ability to track the ball in the air and run under it at top speed. TJ Graham showed zero ability to do the same. Edited May 13, 2014 by Kelly the Dog
eball Posted May 13, 2014 Posted May 13, 2014 Stevie Johnsons facebook page looks like he has already hit the field hard with training. He can't slack off like he did with the Bills. The 49ers won't accept that. I still wish we could of kept him one last year and then traded him after he had what could of been a rebound season. Yes, Marrone has given every impression of a coach that accepts players slacking off. Good post.
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 13, 2014 Posted May 13, 2014 Featherstone in Necessary Roughness was always open too. Doesn't mean anything if he can't catch it or his QBs can't get it to him. Just saying. So he just needs to picture the football as toilet paper to catch it?
GG Posted May 13, 2014 Posted May 13, 2014 TJ Graham is ALWAYS open, incredibly open in fact, a ridiculous amount of plays. He can surely run a route and separate. Unfortunately, he just can't catch or hang onto the ball. You think it may be due to him always being in the wrong spot? That may explain why he's open but useless?
Sisyphean Bills Posted May 13, 2014 Posted May 13, 2014 Yes, Marrone has given every impression of a coach that accepts players slacking off. Good post. I get your point, and it raised a question. Do you think there were players that improved dramatically from Gailey to Marrone? Just curious on your take...
eball Posted May 13, 2014 Posted May 13, 2014 (edited) I get your point, and it raised a question. Do you think there were players that improved dramatically from Gailey to Marrone? Just curious on your take... That is a good question. On offense, the overall production seemed to go down (particularly the passing game), but with all of the QB issues that was to be expected. Cordy Glenn got better, but is that just a 1st to 2nd year thing? On defense, certainly McKelvin improved dramatically. Aaron Williams improved dramatically. In both of those instances I think coaching played a huge role. I don't think Gailey put up with any "slacking off" either, by the way. The original post to which I responded was, well, not the most enlightened of efforts. Edited May 13, 2014 by eball
The Big Cat Posted May 13, 2014 Posted May 13, 2014 That is a good question. On offense, the overall production seemed to go down (particularly the passing game), but with all of the QB issues that was to be expected. Cordy Glenn got better, but is that just a 1st to 2nd year thing? On defense, certainly McKelvin improved dramatically. Aaron Williams improved dramatically. In both of those instances I think coaching played a huge role. I don't think Gailey put up with any "slacking off" either, by the way. The original post to which I responded was, well, not the most enlightened of efforts. I get your point, and it raised a question. Do you think there were players that improved dramatically from Gailey to Marrone? Just curious on your take... Lest we forget the ****-canning of last year's wide receivers coach. Freddy stayed about the same, but Spiller regressed tremendously. And if the all-22 analyses of 2013 are to be believed, it's nobody's fault but his.
Maury Ballstein Posted May 13, 2014 Posted May 13, 2014 but Spiller regressed tremendously. Or he suffered a high ankle sprain but still took one to the house while limping vs the chiefs.
The Big Cat Posted May 13, 2014 Posted May 13, 2014 Or he suffered a high ankle sprain but still took one to the house while limping vs the chiefs. It wasn't his ankle that caused him to miss the vast majority of inside creases.
Matt in KC Posted May 13, 2014 Posted May 13, 2014 I get your point, and it raised a question. Do you think there were players that improved dramatically from Gailey to Marrone? Just curious on your take... I know this isn't a thread about the below, but it's an interesting question, so I'm going to answer it here. Offense No one Defense Aaron Williams Dareus Branch McKelvin Special Teams Marcus Easley Opinion: Our offense was more conservative with our read-and-react play designs that diminished the play-design advantages we had under Gailey, but reduced the amount savvy coaches like Belicheck could take advantage of predictable play-calls etc.. This might have been what we needed to help a new QB, but I thought it was much more boring. Credit: ? no one? Our defensive plays benefited from more aggressive high-risk/high-reward play calls. While our results were mixed, this was much more entertaining! McKelvin and Williams looked comfortable for the first time I remember seeing. Credit: DB coach, Pettine Special Teams - Looked bad. Easley was the lone bright spot in a disappointing unit. Credit: Marcus Easley
QB Bills Posted May 13, 2014 Posted May 13, 2014 Oh really? I've worked out 5 days a week for the last 2 and a half years and I am not even in professional sports. To be the best you can possibly be you need to train harder than the next guy. He could of been so much better had he actually trained during the off season. Might have prevented all his groin injuries. http://www.buffaloru...s-buffalo-bills He was a seventh round draft pick and was not handed anything and not given anywhere near the rope high picks get. To say he's not a hard worker is not only false, but completely dismissive and foolish. For the life of me, I can't figure out why people don't have anything but love for the guy. Classic underdog story. Loved the fun vacuum named buffalo and it's fans. He was nothing but positive his whole time here. Is it the tattoos? The fact he raps? It can't just be that he dropped that ball against the Steelers right? The one that would have got us to 4-12 instead of 3-13?
The Big Cat Posted May 13, 2014 Posted May 13, 2014 He was a seventh round draft pick and was not handed anything and not given anywhere near the rope high picks get. To say he's not a hard worker is not only false, but completely dismissive and foolish. For the life of me, I can't figure out why people don't have anything but love for the guy. Classic underdog story. Loved the fun vacuum named buffalo and it's fans. He was nothing but positive his whole time here. Is it the tattoos? The fact he raps? It can't just be that he dropped that ball against the Steelers right? The one that would have got us to 4-12 instead of 3-13? It's funny how Johnson supporters (love that pun) pick one of many incidents, then treat it as if it were singular in order to build a strawman against those who were weary of Johnson's numerous mistakes.
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