bobobonators Posted May 9, 2014 Posted May 9, 2014 But he's bang on...There is every indication that EJ is either not an NFL QB/or an injury problem...this leaves the Bills searching for a QB next year with our 2nd rounder? It's a huge push in the chips on EJ gamble So in your opinion, in May 2014 we should be concerned about which QB we can take in 2015? Awesome. Im glad we root for the same team. Glad to have you as a fellow fan.
ExWNYer Posted May 9, 2014 Posted May 9, 2014 Still beating the Cyrus drum at 41 (good value great fit) and then aggressively (maybe even step up from 3) get a TE depending on how the round falls. I think the latter of either ASJ and nicklas can last a bit deeper than Cyrus does and because of chandler it's not as urgent if things fall apart Things look to be falling nicely so far Agreed. I love the way this draft is falling for the Bills heading into Round 2. Would love Cyrus K. Morgan Moses is another good option. If they could add either Niklas or ASJ, as well...wow!
biggerdaddynj Posted May 9, 2014 Posted May 9, 2014 When do you pick a RB? RBs have been devalued (as free agent RBs learned this off season--one of them, Ben Tate, said he would be a safety if he could do it all over!). Seems like a RB won't even be selected until the 2nd round this year. So, I would expect some good ones to be there for us in the 4th round or even later (think about all of the good RBs who were drafted late and then there are even some who went undrafted like ... Fred Jackson!). Though I think we could "use" a RB, we "need" a RT and LDE (we could also use a TE, S and DT ((with Dareus' recent run-in with the law)) but I hope we wait to draft them). As others have stated, whether or not you like the pick, you gotta give Whaley and company credit for pulling the trigger and making a deal to get Watkins (and their track record is pretty good so maybe this deal will pan out). We're getting better every year, maybe this is the year we get back to the playoffs!
Nitro Posted May 9, 2014 Posted May 9, 2014 (edited) 4 good O linemen still available (3 OT and 1 OG) and 2 TE. Bills have a chance to add another difference maker. I would lean toward Offensive line. RB is a dying position in a passing league according to Marshall Faulk. He has a point. Bills can get a good RB as a street free agent after the draft. Edited May 9, 2014 by Nitro
Chilly Posted May 9, 2014 Posted May 9, 2014 I don't understand anyone who says this was a bad trade. What, because having a first round pick every year for the past 10 years has translated into a winning team? I love this post.
rstencel Posted May 9, 2014 Posted May 9, 2014 Well guess they are going all on their opinion that they believe they are ready to win this year. If they pick in bottom half of the draft next year, is a good trade. However if they are under 500 and picking in top 5 of draft, big time overpay. Hope they are right.
QB Bills Posted May 9, 2014 Posted May 9, 2014 Because they think he's the type of receiver that can turn safe/easy throws into big plays in a way you don't often find? And outside questions at qb it's not a bad roster? It's not a knock against Watkins. By all accounts, he's super talented. But as you saw last year, EJ was incapable of making those safe, easy throws you speak of. His screen passes were atrocious. I just don't think teams like the Bills should be giving up future first round draft picks unless its for a potential franchise QB. Sammy Watkins was not the difference between 6-10 and 10-6 last year. Our receiving group was actually good already.
Formerly Allan in MD Posted May 9, 2014 Posted May 9, 2014 Now all we need is someone to get him the ball.
QB Bills Posted May 9, 2014 Posted May 9, 2014 RBs have been devalued (as free agent RBs learned this off season--one of them, Ben Tate, said he would be a safety if he could do it all over!). Seems like a RB won't even be selected until the 2nd round this year. So, I would expect some good ones to be there for us in the 4th round or even later (think about all of the good RBs who were drafted late and then there are even some who went undrafted like ... Fred Jackson!). Though I think we could "use" a RB, we "need" a RT and LDE (we could also use a TE, S and DT ((with Dareus' recent run-in with the law)) but I hope we wait to draft them). As others have stated, whether or not you like the pick, you gotta give Whaley and company credit for pulling the trigger and making a deal to get Watkins (and their track record is pretty good so maybe this deal will pan out). We're getting better every year, maybe this is the year we get back to the playoffs! This wasn't gutsy. It was reckless.
OCinBuffalo Posted May 9, 2014 Posted May 9, 2014 I can only hope that you are right. If we make the playoffs, I will fully eat crow. In fact, I will put it in my sig. But that is the problem. There is no "right" here, at this point in time. Right implies certainty. We cannot be certain, when we are dealing with future prediction....otherwise, it wouldn't be prediction. We can NEVER be right at this point...which is why ESPN taking about "EJ is a wasted pick" is patently retarded. One should never over commit to a probability that is so nebulous/dependent on so many external factors. (I see this all the time in my job tho...) What we are dealing with is probability. There is a chance that Watkins fails. There is a larger chance that EJ fails. But, given the talent on the team, the largest chance is: next year's #1 was never going to be high enough to get a sure-fire 10 year answer at QB. Exactly like: the greatest chance for our 6th round pick...was to not make the team. So, you trade it away for Mike Williams. Given these realistic() chances, you go with the thing that is most likely to yield success, but, you accept the fact that you can be wrong. That's it: there is a chance that this is a bad move, however, there is > chance it isn't, and the notion that we are giving away a chance at a viable QB solution next year? Barely a chance at all.
ExWNYer Posted May 9, 2014 Posted May 9, 2014 This wasn't gutsy. It was reckless. They didn't mortgage their future. They gave up two picks, a 1 and a 4. Hardly reckless. Lighten up, Francis.
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted May 9, 2014 Posted May 9, 2014 Meh. If you think this guy will have a career similar to Megatron or Julio Jones, you act decisively. The gulf between that kind of player and a very solid starter is still pretty vast. He should be held to that standard and we should all be thrilled with the potential. Yes. This is exactly my point. For what we gave up, we should ask for Megatron/Julio Jones productivity, commiserate of their first years. When you remember that neither of them cracked a 1000 yards I have to question taking someone with at "win now" mentality.To me, giving away two 1st rounds picks is a "win now" mentality.
QB Bills Posted May 9, 2014 Posted May 9, 2014 Your intellect is dazzling us all... Dynamite analysis. Thanks
satchy Posted May 9, 2014 Posted May 9, 2014 But that is the problem. There is no "right" here, at this point in time. Right implies certainty. We cannot be certain, when we are dealing with future prediction....otherwise, it wouldn't be prediction. We can NEVER be right at this point...which is why ESPN taking about "EJ is a wasted pick" is patently retarded. One should never over commit to a probability that is so nebulous/dependent on so many external factors. (I see this all the time in my job tho...) What we are dealing with is probability. There is a chance that Watkins fails. There is a larger chance that EJ fails. But, given the talent on the team, the largest chance is: next year's #1 was never going to be high enough to get a sure-fire 10 year answer at QB. Exactly like: the greatest chance for our 6th round pick...was to not make the team. So, you trade it away for Mike Williams. Given these realistic( ) chances, you go with the thing that is most likely to yield success, but, you accept the fact that you can be wrong. That's it: there is a chance that this is a bad move, however, there is > chance it isn't, and the notion that we are giving away a chance at a viable QB solution next year? Barely a chance at all. Don't cloud my head with probability and statistics. I know what I know.
NoSaint Posted May 9, 2014 Posted May 9, 2014 (edited) Yes. This is exactly my point. For what we gave up, we should ask for Megatron/Julio Jones productivity, commiserate of their first years. When you remember that neither of them cracked a 1000 yards I have to question taking someone with at "win now" mentality.To me, giving away two 1st rounds picks is a "win now" mentality. Yea Julio getting 959 yards at nearly 18 yards a catch and 8 tds in 13 games wouldn't help a team win now.... Edited May 9, 2014 by NoSaint
OCinBuffalo Posted May 9, 2014 Posted May 9, 2014 Yes. This is exactly my point. For what we gave up, we should ask for Megatron/Julio Jones productivity, commiserate of their first years. When you remember that neither of them cracked a 1000 yards I have to question taking someone with at "win now" mentality.To me, giving away two 1st rounds picks is a "win now" mentality. Yeah. In my view, and based on what I saw DW saying tonight: that's exactly who Watkins is. Never mind supposed. IS. And, yeah: I don't think there's anything wrong with us progressively setting the bar at: 1. "contribute" for the first 4 games. 2. (provided EJ is not melting down going forward)"make a difference" for the next 4 games. 3. "significant factor in the game" for the next 4 4. "dominate, and help us win 2 of the last 4 games of the season...which are a nightmare, with 3/4 of them being on the road, and all of them against good teams"
DanInUticaTampa Posted May 9, 2014 Posted May 9, 2014 It is a bold move. The deciding factor will be if the bills make the playoffs or not. If the bills don't make the playoffs this year, the trade will look terrible since we won't have a 1st rounder to get better later. If we make the playoffs, then this trade put us over the hump. People can make jokes all they want about not having a QB to throw the ball to. This is an elite receiving unit now. Watkins is a clear number 1, stevie, williams, and woods are very good number 2s at worst. Fitz could win more games with this group than he did previously, I am sure EJ will be much better this year, as long as he stays healthy. Hell, even our backups should be fine with these weapons. I say this pick alone realistically gives us 2-3 more wins putting us in the 8-8 and 9-7 range. Hopefully we reach a more optimistic result. If they use the rest of their picks to get the oline upgraded and fill some holes, I say this team has playoff potential. Our receivers are an elite unit now/
ExWNYer Posted May 9, 2014 Posted May 9, 2014 To me, giving away two 1st rounds picks is a "win now" mentality. So you're saying that had he been there at 9 and the Bills had taken him there that they would've been "giving away" that pick?? They picked at #4 in the 1st Round this year rather than #9. They "gave away" (stupid phrasing, BTW) next year's #1. That is one 1st Round pick. That was explained above. Are you really that dense that you can't see that they traded one 1st Round pick and not two?! Holy cow.
MRW Posted May 9, 2014 Posted May 9, 2014 98 underclassmen available this year means a weaker draft class next year. That is 3 rounds of talent added to this crop of available players. This will have ripple effects on upcoming drafts. Interesting read: http://mmqb.si.com/2...assmen-problem/ Gotta love the URL shortening.
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