DC Tom Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 I bet no one would have a problem with banning his religious texts if it was the Quran. I'm sure the teacher wouldn't have made him stop if he were reading the Koran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Any intellectually consistent liberal should be outraged. yes, but most are too busy being intellectually inconsistent to notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 I'm sure the teacher wouldn't have made him stop if he were reading the Koran. I think we can all agree the teacher made a stupid decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 I think we can all agree the teacher made a stupid decision We can? Do you know the whole story? Oh that's right, another thread of people feigning outrage without knowing the whole story or only reading one side's argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 We can? Do you know the whole story? Oh that's right, another thread of people feigning outrage without knowing the whole story or only reading one side's argument. A teacher stoping a student from reading? Well, right there I see a problem in general, but fair enough chef, maybe the kid was reading the King James out loud and disturbing the class, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 I think we can all agree the teacher made a stupid decision I think the teacher made a perfectly sound decision. In the context of her being an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D521646 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Rob's House - I'm not religious and I see a big problem with this. The movement to keep prayer and religious teachings out of the schools is based on the concept that the first amendment prohibits the government from advancing religion and as a government run entity the schools are prohibited from doing these things. (This interpretation requires a deliberate misreading of the constitution, but that's another discussion). Since the constitution expressly prohibits government from restricting the free exercise of religion, this is a much clearer violation of the first amendment than a school prayer, Christmas play, or nativity scene. Not to mention this amounts to banning books. Any intellectually consistent liberal should be outraged. Sorry just thought that was funny. Tim- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 A teacher stoping a student from reading? Well, right there I see a problem in general, but fair enough chef, maybe the kid was reading the King James out loud and disturbing the class, lol Reading a whole article is so difficult I know but according to the school district little Giovanni was reading his bible when he should have been reading from a specific reading list. The district said notice has already been given but insists the Bible reading in question took place when the kids were supposed to be reading from a specific list of books. "It's an accelerated reading program," said spokesperson Cathy Brennan. "During that program, students may choose books from an area and depending on the difficulty level of the book, students earn points." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Reading a whole article is so difficult I know but according to the school district little Giovanni was reading his bible when he should have been reading from a specific reading list. The district said notice has already been given but insists the Bible reading in question took place when the kids were supposed to be reading from a specific list of books. "It's an accelerated reading program," said spokesperson Cathy Brennan. "During that program, students may choose books from an area and depending on the difficulty level of the book, students earn points." One would think thee would beget a lot of points for reading the bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Reading a whole article is so difficult I know but according to the school district little Giovanni was reading his bible when he should have been reading from a specific reading list. The district said notice has already been given but insists the Bible reading in question took place when the kids were supposed to be reading from a specific list of books. "It's an accelerated reading program," said spokesperson Cathy Brennan. "During that program, students may choose books from an area and depending on the difficulty level of the book, students earn points." good call Chef! See, I fell victim to reading B-Mans propaganda in the second post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 good call Chef! See, I fell victim to reading B-Mans propaganda in the second post! Now just because the distict said that's what happened does not mean it's true. They do look out for each other. The truth will come out when the interview the other kids in the class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 One would think thee would beget a lot of points for reading the bible. It depends. If it's the King James Version, maybe. If it's one of those dumbed-down New English pieces of ****, she did the kid a favor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 ... I have seen many neo conservatives throw fits.. Hey idiot, first learn the definition of neo conservative, then come around here to post jibberish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxrock Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 I think we can all agree the teacher made a stupid decision YesWhy is this even a point-counter point discussion here? I'm a long time lurker getting board with the sum of the schicht that becomes controversal simply because the Left Right thing. Somethings are just WTF!?!? AMIRGT? (don't fall for the bait) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 But I have seen many neo conservatives Oh Christ, here we go.... I am admittedly biased against social conservatism. Moderate and fiscal conservatives are not necessarily social conservatives. Social conservatives are many in this country though. That being said, as society changes, the old lines of thinking will die off. Then you have no idea what a neo conservative is, and you've just proved it. When are the unmitigated moron sheep of the left going to realize that the only reason their sheep herders are so pissed at, specifically, NEO conservatives...is that neo conservatives used to be liberals, and remain liberals in every sense of the word...except when it comes to Israel/being a foreign policy candy ass? Mostly Jewish Liberals...that now refuse to vote Democrat, and look for ways to vote Republican? Yeah, you can't blame the right for this. This is the left's problem. The trouble? Clearly they don't explain their problem to their rank and file, as evidenced above. I fully expect a whole new brood of neo conservatives to be spawned via Obama's child-like behavior. And if that wasn't enough, John Kerry's "apartheid" comments are almost certain to have spawned a few more million neo conservatives. Meanwhile, libertarians and paleo-conservatives just laugh at all of this. The neo-conservative has nowhere else to go, by definiton, so why should we pay attention to them? The liberal yapping about them, means they aren't yapping about us, so why should we discourage it? (Of course we should publicly deride all liberals, at all times, for all the stupid things they do, including being woefully ignorant with the use of term "neo-coservative"...this goes without saying, but, we shouldn't discourage them from exposing their ignorance. ) I understand fiscal conservatism, and am not wholly against it. I support smaller, more efficient government in certain aspects. I support larger government in other aspects. It all starts at removing lobbying/corporate money from politics, though, and that is against free market ideals. I'm for removing lobbying by removing the government's ability to sell influence through limiting it's powers. As long as government has the power to act in an arena, someone will purchase favor. They never seem to get it: if there's nothing to sell, then, there's nothing to buy! It's a simple concept, yet...untenable for so many. They don't seem to understand that one cannot be: 1. For campaign finance reform 2. For expansion of government power without also being properly judged an obtuse assclown. If you want to remove the #1 lobby from government? You really want to get lobbyists out of the system? You really want to "do the right thing"? Bar all government employee unions from political campaign donation. Yeah, Oh My God.....we can't do that.... Right. We can't do the very thing we said we wanted to do with: "lobbying"....because that means actually doing something, major, when it comes to: "lobbying". We love to talk about "Big Money" in politics, but we never acknowledge where the, literal, biggest money comes from. Unmitigated morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Broward schools chief apologizes for Bible incident http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/palm-beach/fl-broward-school-bible-20140506,0,2569780.story Broward Schools Superintendent Robert Runcie apologized Tuesday for an incident in which a 12-year-old was told he couldn't read the Bible. "First, let me apologize to the student and his family. This was a situation that should have been handled differently," Runcie said at Tuesday's School Board meeting. "It does not represent the values of our school system. Let me be clear. Broward County Public Schools respects and upholds the right to bring personal religious material to school, including the Bible." He said his administration has reached out to the faculty at the school to ensure they are familiar with district policies and state and federal laws. Parents at the school received robo-calls about the incident Monday, and Runcie said he has instructed principals to have a conversation with faculty about district policies. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Damn, yall. No need to rip into the guy like that. Yeah, he was wrong about what a neo-con is, but everyone on here's been wrong before (even Tom, once). Let's save the gatorboy treatment for those who really deserve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 (edited) FYI, I'm fine with banning unions from lobbying as well as corporations. And also re-implementing campaign finance measures that were recently overturned. I like the ideas of unions in theory. But unfortunately many have become bloated and too powerful in certain ways, much like corporations and the rich. Unions should specifically be built to protect the individual, not built up to the point of bullying. My understanding of neo conservatism has generally been - aggressive militarily, pro christian values in government, and low, to no, regulations economically (basically Bush/Cheney types). If I'm wrong, my apologies, and thank you for the education. Edited May 7, 2014 by Dorkington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 (edited) My understanding of neo conservatism has generally been - aggressive militarily, pro christian values in government, and low, to no, regulations economically (basically Bush/Cheney types). If I'm wrong, my apologies, and thank you for the education. You have this exactly reversed. Neo Conservatives became Bush/Cheney types, not the other way around. They successfully fooled even the Rush Limbaugh types, by focusing people on Bush's religious "evolution" while in the other hand, played down his fiscal liberalism. They did this, largely because they knew: Bush was soft on government spending(see: Medicare, Part D)...which, any neo conservative likes....because s/he is, again, merely a liberal that hates the Democratic party's approach to Israel/Foreign policy. They co-opted Bush into their way of thinking, largely because they could offer him a path to getting elected, in spite of the towering Clinton results that he faced, and ALGORE, inc. squandered. So, Bush got elected and shocker: Ari Fleischer(ahem, remember when I said "Mostly Jewish ex-Liberals"? Well, there you go.) was his press secretary, who immediately set about delivering the "compassionate conservative" message. Again, the hate liberals have for neo-conservatives has very little to do with ideology. How do you go about "hating" someone politically, who agrees with 85% of what you say, politically? Democrats, rank and file party Democrats, hate neo-conservatives because they are turncoats. It is the far-left, as usual, trading on ignorance and propaganda, that has made a neo-con into a social conservative, when nothing could be further from the truth. Ask any evangelist Christian, if he is a neo-con, wants anything to do with them, or thinks that they share the same values. You will get 3 "NO!s" in a row. Ask Mitt Romney why these people didn't show up to vote for him in Ohio, Florida, basically everywhere they did show up for Bush. Answer: Bush fooled them once. Mitt Romney was unsuccessful in fooling them twice. EDIT: Damn, yall. No need to rip into the guy like that. Yeah, he was wrong about what a neo-con is, but everyone on here's been wrong before (even Tom, once). Let's save the gatorboy treatment for those who really deserve it. There, Rob's House, the above is all fact, no insults. Fair enough? But, one more sweeping conclusion based on sheer ignorance....well? You know what happens. Edited May 7, 2014 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 from the link The district said notice has already been given but insists the Bible reading in question took place when the kids were supposed to be reading from a specific list of books. "It's an accelerated reading program," said spokesperson Cathy Brennan. "During that program, students may choose books from an area and depending on the difficulty level of the book, students earn points." > he'd been told repeatedly not to do it > he could read it in school before class, during lunch and after class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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