bbb Posted April 29, 2014 Posted April 29, 2014 This HAS been the "market value" - and teams used to draft a pass rusher to play RDE (opposite LOT). However, teams are now looking for good/great pass rushers at both RDE and LDE. That elevates the value of ROT. If you don't believe me, check out what Doug Whaley said in the pre-draft press conference.
maryland-bills-fan Posted April 29, 2014 Posted April 29, 2014 This HAS been the "market value" - and teams used to draft a pass rusher to play RDE (opposite LOT). However, teams are now looking for good/great pass rushers at both RDE and LDE. That elevates the value of ROT. If you don't believe me, check out what Doug Whaley said in the pre-draft press conference. I disagree. Do you really honestly think that football coaches have just figured out, within the last 2 months or 15 minutes, that it is better to have TWO good defensive ends than only ONE good defensive end? Gee, maybe if we signed two Bruce Smiths we would have a better defense than only one Bruce Smith. Your argument is that this gem of wisdom is a new discovery and teams haven't yet responded to this by making the salaries of the ROT the same as the LOF. Your view is pretty implausible. What has been true and will remain true is that most QB's are right handed and throw the ball better to their right than across their body to their left. They also move better to their right than their left and on the run, throw better to their right than to their left. It will continue to be true that the best way for a DE to get to the QB will be from the "blind" side, because the QB's attention and vision is more to his right. Therefore the best DE will spend most of his time rushing from the QB's left, and the best offensive tackle will be on the left to counter this. If there were a surplus of extra good defensive ends and extra good offensive tackles, then it would be simple to be symmetric and have equal players on both sides. However, in the real universe that the rest of us live on, there is a shortage of the best players and us groundlings will have to make a decision as to where to put the better player and where to put the not as good player.
Wayne Cubed Posted April 29, 2014 Posted April 29, 2014 I disagree. Do you really honestly think that football coaches have just figured out, within the last 2 months or 15 minutes, that it is better to have TWO good defensive ends than only ONE good defensive end? Gee, maybe if we signed two Bruce Smiths we would have a better defense than only one Bruce Smith. Your argument is that this gem of wisdom is a new discovery and teams haven't yet responded to this by making the salaries of the ROT the same as the LOF. Your view is pretty implausible. What has been true and will remain true is that most QB's are right handed and throw the ball better to their right than across their body to their left. They also move better to their right than their left and on the run, throw better to their right than to their left. It will continue to be true that the best way for a DE to get to the QB will be from the "blind" side, because the QB's attention and vision is more to his right. Therefore the best DE will spend most of his time rushing from the QB's left, and the best offensive tackle will be on the left to counter this. If there were a surplus of extra good defensive ends and extra good offensive tackles, then it would be simple to be symmetric and have equal players on both sides. However, in the real universe that the rest of us live on, there is a shortage of the best players and us groundlings will have to make a decision as to where to put the better player and where to put the not as good player. Pretty much this. Look at the NFL's active sack leaders and where they line up: 1. John Abraham (RDE) 133.5 2. Jared Allen (RDE) 128.5 3. Julius Peppers (RDE) 119.0 4. DeMarcus Ware (RDE/ROLB) 117.0 5. Robert Mathis (LDE) 111.0 6. Dwight Freeney (RDE) 108.0 7. Terrell Suggs (ROLB) 94.5 8. Osi Umenyiora (RDE) 82.5 9. Justin Smith (RDE) 82.0 10. Andre Carter (RDE) 80.5 11. Shaun Phillips (LOLB) 79.5 12. Trent Cole (RDE) 79.0 13. Mario Williams (RDE/LDE) 76.5 14. Tamba Hali (ROLB) 73.5 15. Elvis Dumervil (RDE) 73.0 So as we can see, it's dominated by rushers coming off the right side attacking the left tackle. Now that can be a bit skewed as these guys are getting old, but then let's look at the last 3 years, so we can see if anything has changed: 1. Jared Allen (RDE) 45.5 2. Aldon Smith (ROLB) 42 3. DeMarcus Ware (RDE/ROLB) 37 4. Robert Mathis (LDE) 37 5. J.J. Watt (DE) 36.5 6. Von Miller (ROLB/SLB) 35 7. Robert Quinn (RDE) 34.5 8. Chris Long (RDE/LDE) 33 9. Jason Babin (All over) 32.5 10. Charles Johnson (RDE) 32.5 11. Cameron Wake (RDE/ROLB) 32 12. Tamba Hali (ROLB) 32 13. John Abraham (RDE) 31 14. Greg Hardy (RDE) 30 15. Elvis Dumervil (RDE) 30 Looks like there are a couple rushing from the left, but still the list is dominated by rushers off the right side. It's not quite the "trend" that OldTimer is talking about. Right tackles aren't facing the best rushers and therefore shouldn't be paid like they are, nor IMO based on the data, does it suggest that this is changing.
Manther Posted April 29, 2014 Posted April 29, 2014 Just woke up and was reading this during breakfast. GREAT way to start my day! LMFAO!
bbb Posted April 29, 2014 Posted April 29, 2014 Just woke up and was reading this during breakfast. GREAT way to start my day! LMFAO!
atlbillsfan1975 Posted April 29, 2014 Posted April 29, 2014 When the Bills needed a LT a few years ago they waited till the second round and took Glenn. Why now are the Bills going to take a lesser impact spot on the Oline in the first? It appears this draft has plenty of good OT's that will be available in the second or better yet 3rd round. Nothing about taking a RT in the first feels good to me, unless it comes in the high 20's and the Bills got an extra pick or two in a trade.
bbb Posted April 29, 2014 Posted April 29, 2014 When the Bills needed a LT a few years ago they waited till the second round and took Glenn. Why now are the Bills going to take a lesser impact spot on the Oline in the first? It appears this draft has plenty of good OT's that will be available in the second or better yet 3rd round. Nothing about taking a RT in the first feels good to me, unless it comes in the high 20's and the Bills got an extra pick or two in a trade. 100% with you
Dragonborn10 Posted April 29, 2014 Posted April 29, 2014 When the Bills needed a LT a few years ago they waited till the second round and took Glenn. Why now are the Bills going to take a lesser impact spot on the Oline in the first? It appears this draft has plenty of good OT's that will be available in the second or better yet 3rd round. Nothing about taking a RT in the first feels good to me, unless it comes in the high 20's and the Bills got an extra pick or two in a trade. Mathews has a chance to be great. Great players make great teams. I would still take Ebron at 9 but would be perfectly happy if they went OT.
DefenseWins Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 When the Bills needed a LT a few years ago they waited till the second round and took Glenn. Why now are the Bills going to take a lesser impact spot on the Oline in the first? It appears this draft has plenty of good OT's that will be available in the second or better yet 3rd round. Nothing about taking a RT in the first feels good to me, unless it comes in the high 20's and the Bills got an extra pick or two in a trade. They took Cordy Glenn in rd 2 because Stephon Gilmore was more highly regarded and allegedly a bigger need...
Tipster19 Posted April 30, 2014 Author Posted April 30, 2014 Could the Jaguars trying to bait a team to move up in the draft? Matthews being considered at the #3 spot overall lends credibility to just how good he really is. http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=10856259&src=desktop&rand=ref~%7B%22ref%22%3A%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rotoworld.com%2Fplayernews%2Fnfl%2Ffootball-player-news%3Frw%3D1%22%7D
NoSaint Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 Could the Jaguars trying to bait a team to move up in the draft? Matthews being considered at the #3 spot overall lends credibility to just how good he really is. http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=10856259&src=desktop&rand=ref~%7B%22ref%22%3A%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rotoworld.com%2Fplayernews%2Fnfl%2Ffootball-player-news%3Frw%3D1%22%7D i dont think anyone is disputing that he has potential to be a very effective nfl player, simply that given our roster it doesnt make as much sense for us as a lot of other teams.
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