B-Large Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Why has Boulder flourished? The university is there, there are alot of wealthy, high educated people already there who send there kids = compaines have a nice poor of smart kids to chose from. Boulder is also tech heavy, and frankly, the location being against mountains attacks alot of people who want to be there. It would be interesteting to compare the highly attractive People's Republic of Boulder versus the Very Conseravtive "Turn out the Street Light there aint no money left" Colorado Springs which is also beautful- Boulder is highly sought, the Springs not as much. They are in the same State, so it would intersting to dig in and see why the places are so different, and if ideology has anyting to do with it. Colorado is a nice blend of Blue Cities and Red Rurals... we doing allright here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 (edited) not an accurate summation in any regard. the major point i was making that i suspect you fully understand but refuse to acknowledge is this: wall street and high finance generally are largely controlled by a very small, very exclusive, very rich and very powerful group and many of their important dealings are within this small group, disproportionately benefitting those in said group. in a word, their relationships are often incestuous. That was what you settled on after everything you had posted earlier in the thread was dismantled point by point. And that point runs completely contrary to the evil of high frequency traders effectively skimming from large block trades, which disproportionately harms the super wealthy, which was the impetus for that thread. Anyway you slice it, you're fantastically wrong. Keep digging, dog. Edited April 24, 2014 by Jauronimo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 How many people here have actually read this book? I'm halfway through it. Don't know why...It seems to be a feature of French translators that they translate French writing into the most painfully unreadable English possible. I've never read an English translation of a French book that didn't give me a splitting headache. Including Dumas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 with you to here. the envy arguemt is old, tired and false. i'd link to some demoraphic stats but the posters making the envy argument seem unimpressed with facts. What facts? That a small percentage are very rich and another percentage are very poor? So what. Do we all deserve to be more equal regardless of our effort, education and risk taking? At the office here we have higher income earners and some down at around $12/hour. I recently hired a $12 position. Had 240 applicants from a 2 week online ad. That in itself is a pretty lousy commentary on our economic recovery. During the hiring process I had applicants not return calls, not show up for interviews or display very poor communication skills and preparedness. I'd call some of them "unemployable". We have millions of these people in this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 When was the middle class the largest in our history? And what was the tax rate at that time? Why don't you tell us the anwers to your questions and answer this one. How did a high tax rate accomplish this? I'm halfway through it. Don't know why...It seems to be a feature of French translators that they translate French writing into the most painfully unreadable English possible. I've never read an English translation of a French book that didn't give me a splitting headache. Including Dumas. So that explains why my souffles are always !@#$ed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 The essential talking point here, of course, ties back to a suddenly popular point. . . . . . . Inequality. People are starting to believe there are actually ways to fix inequality, while believing the cause is capitalism. Somehow, there is a belief that it's possible to just tax the wealthy even more and expect good things to happen to all of us. It remains a truth, that you can treat all people equally. . . . . . . . . But it is something else entirely to try and make them equal. 'Leaders' like Obama are on the wrong side of history (as he likes to say) but are so convinced of their moral superiority they are incapable of seeing the truth, because the only truth they see is their own power and how they can use it to force people to do what they believe is 'just'. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 I'm halfway through it. Don't know why...It seems to be a feature of French translators that they translate French writing into the most painfully unreadable English possible. I've never read an English translation of a French book that didn't give me a splitting headache. Including Dumas. Gatorman is French? That explains a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 So diversity is good unless we're talking about diversity in incomes and lifesyles? Did I get that right?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 (edited) not an accurate summation in any regard. the major point i was making that i suspect you fully understand but refuse to acknowledge is this: wall street and high finance generally are largely controlled by a very small, very exclusive, very rich and very powerful group and many of their important dealings are within this small group, disproportionately benefitting those in said group. in a word, their relationships are often incestuous. with you to here. the envy arguemt is old, tired and false. i'd link to some demoraphic stats but the posters making the envy argument seem unimpressed with facts. many of them are baseless to begin with. Its like all Tea Parties are racists. If sur emakes great articles in sensationalized media, but did in and find most of us are very much alike, and very little divides as we are led to believe. I'm halfway through it. Don't know why...It seems to be a feature of French translators that they translate French writing into the most painfully unreadable English possible. I've never read an English translation of a French book that didn't give me a splitting headache. Including Dumas. I have a friend who has a Master Degree in Comparitive literature. She reads books in their orginal language and studies the way the intepreted and translated. So yes, much is lost in that translation. Edited April 24, 2014 by B-Large Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 So diversity is good unless we're talking about diversity in incomes and lifesyles? Did I get that right?? Diversity is good as long as everybody's the same. [/average Democrat] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 So diversity is good unless we're talking about diversity in incomes and lifesyles? Did I get that right?? diversity is excellent. extremes are very often undesirable. What facts? That a small percentage are very rich and another percentage are very poor? So what. Do we all deserve to be more equal regardless of our effort, education and risk taking? At the office here we have higher income earners and some down at around $12/hour. I recently hired a $12 position. Had 240 applicants from a 2 week online ad. That in itself is a pretty lousy commentary on our economic recovery. During the hiring process I had applicants not return calls, not show up for interviews or display very poor communication skills and preparedness. I'd call some of them "unemployable". We have millions of these people in this country. the fact that liberalism and conservatism are not directly correlated to socioeconomic status even among the ultra wealthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 24, 2014 Author Share Posted April 24, 2014 Why don't you tell us the anwers to your questions and answer this one. How did a high tax rate accomplish this? 1950's and 1960's. And I don't exactly know. I would suspect all that Cold War spending on the military on so many other areas redistributed the wealth more evenly. People are starting to believe there are actually ways to fix inequality, while believing the cause is capitalism. That's horseshit! Capitalism takes many forms. We had capitalism in the 50's and 60's when tax rates were high and it would still be capitalism today even if we could jack the rates back up that high I'm halfway through it. Don't know why...It seems to be a feature of French translators that they translate French writing into the most painfully unreadable English possible. I've never read an English translation of a French book that didn't give me a splitting headache. Including Dumas. I bet I'm enjoying my bio of Dewey more than you are that book. Have fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 1950's and 1960's. And I don't exactly know. I would suspect all that Cold War spending on the military on so many other areas redistributed the wealth more evenly. The model you're advocating for assumes another World War designed to cripple the manufacturing capabilities of all developed nations leaving the U.S. as the only remaining industrial power, and the destruction of international capital markets so that Americans cannot move their capital out of the country. Thats the only way increasing the top tax rate to 1960s levels will yield any benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 1950's and 1960's. And I don't exactly know. I would suspect all that Cold War spending on the military on so many other areas redistributed the wealth more evenly. Of course you don't know. Yes the cold war spending on my dad's grocery store allowed us to live in a huge house with two cars and in need of nothing. In your tiny mind the government is 100% behind all the good things that happen. diversity is excellent. extremes are very often undesirable. Give us reasons for both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 (edited) I think that is a pretty poor description. There are alot of very wealthy Liberals, ones with the big boats you describe- and there is envy in both ideologies. Where I believe the difference begins is how to fix problems. Liberals are comfortable with Central Planning, faith in Government to be able to craft comrehensive reforms to address healtcare, immigration reform etc- Liberals are also comfortable with the Government taking more money from citizens, as long as those reforms are created and implemented. Conseravtives, believe much the opposite meanig deffering to the individual and incremental approach to issues. I think you can cite Boulder CO and Detroit as places that shows the good and bad of Liberalism. You can cite Texas and Missisiippi that shows the good and bad of Conservatism. To me, this is why is importatn for Federal Government to Defer to States on anyting they are not speficially tasked to addressing- let States and localities figure out what is best. My post was about the genesis of socialism and what keeps it's heart pumping. Class envy is it's engine. Of course there are wealthy liberals that hop on board for a variety of reasons. Peer pressure. General naive do good-ery and so on. And I do think that some conservatives are envious. It's human nature. A true conservative would never legislate their envy though like a progressive tax rate for example. They would just keep it inside until it turns into a bitter ball of hate. Like me! J/k. Other than that I agree with most of your post except the poor description part. Edited April 24, 2014 by Dante Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 wait a minute. I am 1/16 French. easy with the generalizations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 wait a minute. I am 1/16 French. easy with the generalizations. I get the impression your about as American as they come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 I get the impression your about as American as they come. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Thanks! Obama would have said !@#$ You!!! [/right wing hack response] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 (edited) My post was about the genesis of socialism and what keeps it's heart pumping. Class envy is it's engine. Of course there are wealthy liberals that hop on board for a variety of reasons. Peer pressure. General naive do good-ery and so on. And I do think that some conservatives are envious. It's human nature. A true conservative would never legislate their envy though like a progressive tax rate for example. They would just keep it inside until it turns into a bitter ball of hate. Like me! J/k. Other than that I agree with most of your post except the poor description part. oh no! do gooders! only on this forum would those that seek to do good be disparaged. presumably those that seek to do bad are to be admired? or maybe those that just want to look after themselves, unconcerned with anyone elses circumstances are the ones most revered. Edited April 24, 2014 by birdog1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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