Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 While EJ may one day be able to be a starting QB, he obviously is missing the "it" factor. He does not have the ability to manage a game, think through the Defense, and attack it. I believe that is something you can learn but never be totally successful because it is not natural and under fire he will lose that ability. For at reason I will go against he crowd and predict the Bills will draft a QB in round 1 That's what I was thinking as I watched him shred the panthers for a last minute comeback.
John from Riverside Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 all I see are excuses for EJ but for the record I was simply asking a question more weapons will obviously help but QB was the biggest problem on offense last year Im sorry....those arent excuses. Those are facts. So were Fitzy's struggles due to lack of weapons too? Besides the rookie WR's, he had the same problems. How many years has Fitz been in the league? How many years has EJ Manuel? (and before you try to spin that and say its not part of the original question....it def is.....we expect a ROOKIE to come in and overcome those things the way a veteran would)?
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 so you think EJ's struggles last year were due to lack of weapons? It was due to a lack of knee brace and lack of non-rookie-ness. End of story. Anyone on this board is welcome to provide evidence from the current top 10 nfl QBs that EJs rookie year proves a dam thing about what he will become. We know NOTHING!
BigBuff423 Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 all I see are excuses for EJ but for the record I was simply asking a question more weapons will obviously help but QB was the biggest problem on offense last year I'm on the "wait and see" bandwagon for EJ (that is until this time next year), but Marrone's first act in the Off-Season was to fire the WR's Coach...so, that might be an indication the BILLS staff would disagree about the "biggest problem" on Offense...seems to me if HC thinks WRs are the main issue, especially since it transcended all 3 starting QBs, the WRs and lack of good route running and separation *might be worth evaluating before you so concretely stamp the QB as the biggest problem.....just a suggestion.
John from Riverside Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 I'l admit I was very high on EJ in last years draft and happy the Bills pulled the trigger on him. I had no problem with them trading back and getting the QB they wanted. That said, he will have to improve A LOT to make me believe he can really be the long term answer at the position. Rookie QBs struggle, that's a given. The good ones show you glimpses though that really makes you start believing in the guy. I rarely saw anything last year that would suggest he is the guy. Some good throws, a lot of bad ones. Down field accuracy and decision making need to improve leaps and bounds. He needs to stop playing so damn passive too. He only played 10 games and was injured the rest but no matter how good you are if you can't stay on the field - what does it matter? I wouldn't mind drafting another QB after round 1 this year. Your kinda all over the place in your opinion on this (which is fine...its your opinion) - You recognize that he was a rookie......but wanted to see more - You recognize that he was injured......but are dissapointed that you didnt see more - You recoginze that Rookies struggle....and you recognize that he did make good plays at times.....but are dissapointed PATIENCE is what is required here.....its like nobody remembers what was said of this QB when we drafted him last year and they want a finished product that first year. TON of talent.......needed work......
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 (edited) all I see are excuses for EJ but for the record I was simply asking a question more weapons will obviously help but QB was the biggest problem on offense last year Failure is always some combination of lack of talent, injuries and lack of experience across the board. The last one seems to be lost on most, when it ironically has been the largest difference maker over many successful QB careers. Edited April 17, 2014 by over 20 years of fanhood
FireChan Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 Failure is always some combination of lack of talent, injuries and lack of experience across the board. The last one seems to be lost on most, when it ironically has been the largest difference maker over many successful QB careers. Thank god Sanchez and Gabbert got 3 years of experience.
Rob's House Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 Thank god Sanchez and Gabbert got 3 years of experience. You laugh, but can you imagine how much worse it would have been if their teams had a contingency plan in place?
Beerball Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 It was due to a lack of knee brace and lack of non-rookie-ness. End of story. Anyone on this board is welcome to provide evidence from the current top 10 nfl QBs that EJs rookie year proves a dam thing about what he will become. We know NOTHING! I know something.
John from Riverside Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 Thank god Sanchez and Gabbert got 3 years of experience. Neither of those franchises were thinking about the next QB in year 2.....and they were right now to
FireChan Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 Neither of those franchises were thinking about the next QB in year 2.....and they were right now to Yes, I applaud both franchises for their perennial success from that decision. You laugh, but can you imagine how much worse it would have been if their teams had a contingency plan in place? It would have been awful. To have another player ready to step up if your original choice doesn't work out? Perish the thought!
John from Riverside Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 Yes, I applaud both franchises for their perennial success from that decision. It would have been awful. To have another player ready to step up if your original choice doesn't work out? Perish the thought! GM's cant afford to think that way.....they leave it to the fans that have nothing to lose......
reddogblitz Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 That's what I was thinking as I watched him shred the panthers for a last minute comeback. EJ also shredded the Ravens and Jets Ds and brought us back to take the lead vs the hated Patsies in week 1 only to have the D fold up. Also played great in the 4th quarter clutch in Toronto to get us in FG range twice, once in regulation and once in OT, only to have the football dropped twice. Had a few bad games as well. But I don't get this routine that the guy has showed nothing. I disagree.
Beerball Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 GM's cant afford to think that way.....they leave it to the fans that have nothing to lose...... GM's can't afford picks like big Mike Williams or Aaron Maybin either. The draft is a crap shoot. Come out swinging and do your best to improve your team. Sometimes you're successful sometimes not so much. There are busts at all positions but the specialists. See your guy? Get your guy.
SlamnSam Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 Is there anyway to close this thread? This horse has long been dead. If all these fans are pining there hopes on EJ somehow panning out then they are in for a very sad football season. Please close this thread and lets talk about long snappers
3rdand12 Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 I think we signed garrison sanborn last year to a contract up till and including his death. Best ever LS is a Buffalo Bill . Seriously nailed this one. Crosman must be delighted with his luck
Rico Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 Is there anyway to close this thread? This horse has long been dead. If all these fans are pining there hopes on EJ somehow panning out then they are in for a very sad football season. Please close this thread and lets talk about long snappers Amen. I replied once to one of these many threads some time ago & said my confidence level in EJ was at 25% based on what I saw last year, taking the injuries & lack of experience into consideration. But between the Pollyannas and the Shills who are almost always WRONG and who keep going on and on and on AND ON about this, that level is down close to 0% right now. Damn shame, because other than this, I'm pretty excited about this year's team & the New Era.
OldTimer1960 Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 (edited) I REALLY don't understand there being SO MUCH negativity towards EJ Manuel after 1 partial season with mainly very inexperienced receivers. I am NOT here to say that Manuel will for sure be a star or even a competent starting QB, BUT I can't see how many here seem to KNOW that he will be terrible. First, without any excuses, his rookie season was encouraging (at least to me). He had two horrible games against the Steelers and Tampa (nearly 40% of his season total of INTs came against Tampa in one terrible game). He had some good games, especially the second game against the Jets in a wind storm. Mostly he was OK, not great. He WAS a rookie QB playing with very inexperienced WRs and a marginal OL while being in and out of the lineup with injuries. For those that say he is bad because he was injured, I argue that he doesn't have a history of missing time with injuries in college. For those that are down on him because he didn't take the league by storm, I argue to have some patience. There are only a small handful of truly exceptional QBs: P. Manning, Brady and Brees. There are a few more very good ones: Roethlisberger, Rivers, Ryan and maybe a couple more. There are some promising young guys whose hype exceeds their actual play: Kaepernick in particular and even Russell Wilson. Kaepernick had some games that were very comparable to some of Manuel's "poor" games and Kaepernick had much better and more experienced receivers, not to mention 3 1st round picks on his OL... Once again, I don't know if EJ Manuel will become a good starting QB or not, but I, for one, think I saw enough positives combined with his physical talent and reported work-ethic to think that it would be wise to give him AT LEAST one more season, likely two in order to see if he can be an answer. Let him grow with his young receiving crew. BTW, Drew Brees basically didn't play as a rookie. In year two, Brees threw 17 TDs and 16 INTs and averaged 205 yards/game. In year three: Brees threw 11 TDs and 15 INTs while averaging 191 yards/game. I suppose all those who KNOW that Manuel will never be any good could also have predicted that Brees would go on to have an almost certain Hall of Fame career - because they knew that he had "it". Edited April 17, 2014 by OldTimer1960
Beerball Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 I REALLY don't understand there being SO MUCH negativity towards EJ Manuel after 1 partial season with mainly very inexperienced receivers. I am NOT here to say that Manuel will for sure be a star or even a competent starting QB, BUT I can't see how many here seem to KNOW that he will be terrible. Nobody knows. You take what you see, stir it around a bit and come to your own conclusion. No one here (I believe) wants any Bill to fail, everyone wants the team to do well and everyone will cheer the successes and groan about missed opportunities.
OCinBuffalo Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 Not religous then ? What says you can't be religious but also reject having to "believe" in a QB? There are a ton of things that clowns in this world expect me to believe in, just because they say so. And, usually, the more data that contradicts the belief they want me to have, the more shrill they become. I don't need to believe in EJ Manuel any more than I need to believe in Global Warming. I will take the data and observations that we can all make for ourselves, which will tell me what I think, far and away over the babble that comes from supposed experts, especially since those experts consistently have a worse batting average than the weather...person. Only OC could stretch an "I don't know" into a post this long. Yeah. Your agenda in this thread is clear. I do know, that anyone who says they know EJ isn't the answer is merely: taking the safe bet. Given the history of "new" QBs in the NFL, and their odds of "making it", any clown can bet against EJ, be right, and then self-congratulate their "football knowledge". That's crap. All you are doing by taking the other side of any new QB, including EJ, is betting with the odds. So, now we are supposed to draft a QB, because somebody "knows" (read: is betting against a new QB @ "60% to win" odds) that EJ isn't going to make it? And, that's solid "analysis"? No. Betting with the odds doesn't make you right. As I said: that's crap. There are plenty of posters in this thread that have correctly described EJ's lower body mechanical issues. In preseason, it should be easy to see if they are fixed. Now, when and if somebody wants to do that analysis, and then make a prediction based on it, that is actually worth something. That's something we CAN know. I know plenty, and I'm not about to let a dopey premise slide by. Yay, another thread about how EJ should be replaced after 10 games. Yep. But, hopefully I've been able to expose this "play the odds = football knowledge" thinking as the dopiness that it is.
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