JESSEFEFFER Posted April 13, 2014 Posted April 13, 2014 Neither Flacco or E Manning won the SuperBowl in their rookie year. They both won it in year 5. EJs rookie year looks alot like Flacco's. The big difference is 10 vs. 16 games played. The first 3 statements are facts. The last is an opinion. I am not a homer or a doubter. I am a "wait and seer" which is the only sensible place to be. Making definitive conclusions based on little to no evidence is rather foolish, imo.
thebandit27 Posted April 13, 2014 Posted April 13, 2014 Neither Flacco or E Manning won the SuperBowl in their rookie year. They both won it in year 5. EJs rookie year looks alot like Flacco's. The big difference is 10 vs. 16 games played. The first 3 statements are facts. The last is an opinion. I am not a homer or a doubter. I am a "wait and seer" which is the only sensible place to be. Making definitive conclusions based on little to no evidence is rather foolish, imo. Indeed
chris heff Posted April 13, 2014 Posted April 13, 2014 Elite QBs are probably the rarest animal in sports. And none, repeat NONE of the prospects in this draft have exhibited anything remotely resembling elite to this point. Just wait to see the inevitable backlash by that certain segment of fans when the team that drafts and starts one of them this year struggles at the QB position. Man, when I think of the Niners and their incredible good fortune in having 20 years of QB play by back to back HOFers... GO BILLS!!! Steve Young was considered a bust in Tampa.
K-9 Posted April 13, 2014 Posted April 13, 2014 Steve Young was considered a bust in Tampa. True. And that was AFTER gaining valuable pro experience in the USFL. Rookie QBs haven't evolved at the same pace as fan expectations. I remember clearly the large segment of fans that didn't think Jim Kelly would amount to much, either when he struggled his rookie year. Even though he clearly showed glimpses of greatness. Even later, there was a segment that wanted to start Reich instead. Unbelievable the lack of patience even then. Imagine if the internet and other social media outlets of today were around then as well. GO BILLS!!!
CodeMonkey Posted April 13, 2014 Posted April 13, 2014 Neither Flacco or E Manning won the SuperBowl in their rookie year. They both won it in year 5. EJs rookie year looks alot like Flacco's. The big difference is 10 vs. 16 games played. The first 3 statements are facts. The last is an opinion. I am not a homer or a doubter. I am a "wait and seer" which is the only sensible place to be. Making definitive conclusions based on little to no evidence is rather foolish, imo. How dare you come in here with a mere 300 posts and not state that either Manuel is great or he is a bust after his first season!?!? Next you will be saying you don't know for a fact that the Bills new ownership will or will not move the team! Blasphemy I say!
YoloinOhio Posted April 13, 2014 Posted April 13, 2014 (edited) my only point is that in most cases, teams that have good QB's knew it going into year two. We, are still having the same issues of arguing if he will be the guy. If the Bills belive that a QB is going to be better than EJ (and I think theirs a few) and he's available, and they don't take him, it'll be a travesty. The "team" does know it going into year two. Or at least they are saying that. "We" are fans, not the team, that is having the same issues of arguing if he will be the guy. The Bills are not doing that. As far as we know. On NFL AM they were discussing whether this upcoming season for Ryan Tannehill is a make it or break it year(his third). They all said no. Sam Bradford is going into his 5th year. No playoffs, injury bug, and seems to be regressing since his rookie year. Yet the Rams have the #2 overall pick and no QB mocked to them. They say it is Bradford's job. Not saying it is right or wrong for these QBs to get the benefit of the doubt. But interesting nonetheless that some 1st rounders get more time, whereas some posters, and Charlie Casserly, want to move on from EJ already. When they bring up Geno Smith, they say he was forced to play too early due to injury so no one can judge him. How is that not different than EJ, who also had the vet QB signed to be the starter in TC go down with injury? EJ was always looked at as a project, just like Blake Bortles (all the measurables, needs to develop), yet Bortles could go #1 in a class of great QB quantity. EJ was a "reach" at 16. I give up. Edited April 13, 2014 by YoloinOhio
K-9 Posted April 13, 2014 Posted April 13, 2014 The "team" does know it going into year two. Or at least they are saying that. "We" are fans having the same issues of arguing if he will be the guy. The Bills are not doing that. As far as we know. Well, if one of the "top 10" QBs falls to us at nine and they DO end up taking him, then we'll know for sure where the team stands. I highly doubt that happens though. If it does, I'll be shocked but not surprised. Nothing in the NFL surprises me anymore. GO BILLS!!!
Big C Posted April 13, 2014 Posted April 13, 2014 Just watched this highlight reel from the first five games of last season: While I know EJ had his share of poor judgement calls and bad games altogether, he did make some really great throws too. He also has GREAT chemistry with Woods and I am looking forward to seeing how the grow together this year. If EJ can stay healthy, I believe he still has a shot at being our guy.
John from Riverside Posted April 13, 2014 Posted April 13, 2014 Doubters? They've won Superbowls. That's not doubtable. Please stop comparing EJ to SB winning QB's. It makes it that much sadder. Perhaps if people also stop comparing to quarterback busts? Because that is equally as silly
oman128 Posted April 13, 2014 Posted April 13, 2014 He hasn't proven himself yet. He needs a big step forward 20 TD's min.
Dorkington Posted April 13, 2014 Posted April 13, 2014 Just watched this highlight reel from the first five games of last season: While I know EJ had his share of poor judgement calls and bad games altogether, he did make some really great throws too. He also has GREAT chemistry with Woods and I am looking forward to seeing how the grow together this year. If EJ can stay healthy, I believe he still has a shot at being our guy. It really was too bad that he got injured against the Browns.
K-9 Posted April 13, 2014 Posted April 13, 2014 Just watched this highlight reel from the first five games of last season: http://www.reddit.co..._first_5_games/ While I know EJ had his share of poor judgement calls and bad games altogether, he did make some really great throws too. He also has GREAT chemistry with Woods and I am looking forward to seeing how the grow together this year. If EJ can stay healthy, I believe he still has a shot at being our guy. Nice. That throw to Chandler vs. NE that preceded and set up the TD pass to Wood, is still the bellweather throw for me. And I can't wait to see Robert Woods with a year under his belt. He can beat press or soft man as well as find the spaces in zones. He's good. GO BILLS!!!
FireChan Posted April 13, 2014 Posted April 13, 2014 Perhaps if people also stop comparing to quarterback busts? Because that is equally as silly That makes no sense. There have only been 48 Superbowls. With guys who have won multiples. How many QB busts have there been over the years? Probably quadruple that number.
Chandler#81 Posted April 13, 2014 Posted April 13, 2014 Elite QBs are probably the rarest animal in sports. And none, repeat NONE of the prospects in this draft have exhibited anything remotely resembling elite to this point. Just wait to see the inevitable backlash by that certain segment of fans when the team that drafts and starts one of them this year struggles at the QB position. Man, when I think of the Niners and their incredible good fortune in having 20 years of QB play by back to back HOFers... GO BILLS!!! In your opinion, which again, no one's listening. There's a Heisman Trophy winner among this group and every year QB play at the college level improves as ex-NFL coaches take more reins there. I don't think Manuel will be good, unlike you who KNOWS everything. You're shtick is old and boring. News flash: you don't know crap about the future -just like all the rest of humankind.
Best Player Available Posted April 13, 2014 Posted April 13, 2014 In your opinion, which again, no one's listening. There's a Heisman Trophy winner among this group and every year QB play at the college level improves as ex-NFL coaches take more reins there. I don't think Manuel will be good, unlike you who KNOWS everything. You're shtick is old and boring. News flash: you don't know crap about the future -just like all the rest of humankind. 81 thanks for your comments here. Very hard to disagree with a single word of it. You're right no one is listening.
chris heff Posted April 13, 2014 Posted April 13, 2014 In your opinion, which again, no one's listening. There's a Heisman Trophy winner among this group and every year QB play at the college level improves as ex-NFL coaches take more reins there. I don't think Manuel will be good, unlike you who KNOWS everything. You're shtick is old and boring. News flash: you don't know crap about the future -just like all the rest of humankind. So no one is paying attention to K-9 because he disagrees with you? Heisman Trophy winning QB equals success, got it.
LB3 Posted April 13, 2014 Posted April 13, 2014 In your opinion, which again, no one's listening. There's a Heisman Trophy winner among this group and every year QB play at the college level improves as ex-NFL coaches take more reins there. I don't think Manuel will be good, unlike you who KNOWS everything. You're shtick is old and boring. News flash: you don't know crap about the future -just like all the rest of humankind. What does one of the QB's being a Heisman winner have to do with anything other than it meaning he will probably not be successful in the NFL? Who was the last successful Heisman winning QB? Testaverde?
BillsBytheBay Posted April 13, 2014 Posted April 13, 2014 The "team" does know it going into year two. Or at least they are saying that. "We" are fans, not the team, that is having the same issues of arguing if he will be the guy. The Bills are not doing that. As far as we know. On NFL AM they were discussing whether this upcoming season for Ryan Tannehill is a make it or break it year(his third). They all said no. Sam Bradford is going into his 5th year. No playoffs, injury bug, and seems to be regressing since his rookie year. Yet the Rams have the #2 overall pick and no QB mocked to them. They say it is Bradford's job. Not saying it is right or wrong for these QBs to get the benefit of the doubt. But interesting nonetheless that some 1st rounders get more time, whereas some posters, and Charlie Casserly, want to move on from EJ already. When they bring up Geno Smith, they say he was forced to play too early due to injury so no one can judge him. How is that not different than EJ, who also had the vet QB signed to be the starter in TC go down with injury? EJ was always looked at as a project, just like Blake Bortles (all the measurables, needs to develop), yet Bortles could go #1 in a class of great QB quantity. EJ was a "reach" at 16. I give up. I'm not speculating on what EJ can be. I'm observing what he is now. I like Tannehill more than I do EJ, but I don't think either are a lock to be franchise QB's. If I were the Bills, Phins or Rams, I would really consider an early QB. Last year, everybody thought three or four QB's would go in the first. One did, and really shouldn't have. I see this year being much the same. I don't believe that more than one QB will go in the first round if any. Now if I'm right, and a QB with a higher college grade than EJ (to the Bills) is their with our second round pick, do you not take him?
3rdand12 Posted April 13, 2014 Posted April 13, 2014 Just watched this highlight reel from the first five games of last season: http://www.reddit.co..._first_5_games/ While I know EJ had his share of poor judgement calls and bad games altogether, he did make some really great throws too. He also has GREAT chemistry with Woods and I am looking forward to seeing how the grow together this year. If EJ can stay healthy, I believe he still has a shot at being our guy. This is an opinion i can respect. You went back and did the work. Then formed a qualified opinion. Geez i wish i could do that better. also i am sorry that this has gotten heated around here. This is supposed to be place that provides some levels of comfort away from the sometimes harsh realities of life. Mods please relax a pinch and let us fools carry on " You're shtick is old and boring. News flash: you don't know crap about the future -just like all the rest of humankind. " Sounds like a personal attack.
chris heff Posted April 13, 2014 Posted April 13, 2014 I'm not speculating on what EJ can be. I'm observing what he is now. I like Tannehill more than I do EJ, but I don't think either are a lock to be franchise QB's. If I were the Bills, Phins or Rams, I would really consider an early QB. Last year, everybody thought three or four QB's would go in the first. One did, and really shouldn't have. I see this year being much the same. I don't believe that more than one QB will go in the first round if any. Now if I'm right, and a QB with a higher college grade than EJ (to the Bills) is their with our second round pick, do you not take him? I read somewhere(can't remember where) that if there is a QB you want and your going to take him early the best place to take him is mid first. You won't over pay and you get fifth year option.
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