Luxy312 Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 Then who are Jacksonville, Cleveland, Oakland, & TB,drafting that Matthews will be there? It's pretty straight forward for me: Houston - QB or Clowney. I don't see any other pick being an option. St. Louis - Robinson with a slight outside chance of Watkins. The need is protection for Bradford though. Jacksonville - QB or Clowney. Cleveland - Houston seems enamored with Bortles, so Watkins should go here. Oakland - The trade for Schaub says Mack won't fall past Oakland. Tampa Bay - We just took Williams from them. Evans is the right pick. Minnesota - Bridgewater. He's meeting with them today.
thebandit27 Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 It's pretty straight forward for me: Houston - QB or Clowney. I don't see any other pick being an option. St. Louis - Robinson with a slight outside chance of Watkins. The need is protection for Bradford though. Jacksonville - QB or Clowney. Cleveland - Houston seems enamored with Bortles, so Watkins should go here. Oakland - The trade for Schaub says Mack won't fall past Oakland. Tampa Bay - We just took Williams from them. Evans is the right pick. Minnesota - Bridgewater. He's meeting with them today. I just don't see 3 QBs in the top 8...I'm guessing: Houston - Clowney St. Louis - Watkins or an OT (for argument's sake, let's say Robinson) Jacksonville - Mack Cleveland - Manziel Oakland - Watkins or Robinson Atlanta - Matthews TB - Evans Minnesota - Bortles
simpleman Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 (edited) How do you get sub par? This OL isn't that bad. LG has been addressed in FA. Now I get fans don't like who whaley got, but sorry its been addressed as for as the Bills are concerned. We need a RT, we can find that in the 3rd round and a damn good one as well. Now I did see a QB that had a HUGE knock on him as for as being able to read defenses quickly get sacked, but is that on the OL or on a Rookie QB that can't read defenses and make quick decisions? I keep asking this and listing who is probable as being available in the 3rd. Who is that "damn good RT"? What OT is projected to be there in the 3rd? Not a G or C, but a "damn good" RT? And if you believe that LG has been addressed in FA with an actual quality player (not a bottom rated player who has never produced at a higher level), I suppose you thought it was addressed successfully last year too by the Bills management. How did that work out? How does that reflect on rating the quality of judgement by management on OL talent? Edited April 15, 2014 by simpleman
Kellyto83TD Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 I keep asking this and listing who is probable as being available in the 3rd. Who is that "damn good RT"? What OT is projected to be there in the 3rd? Not a G or C, but a "damn good" RT? And if you believe that LG has been addressed in FA with an actual quality player (not a bottom rated player who has never produced at a higher level), I suppose you thought it was addressed successfully last year too by the Bills management. How did that work out? How does that reflect on rating the quality of judgement by management on OL talent? Simple you can rage on me all you want, The bills have addressed LG. Don't like it call whaley and B word at him. I don't rate RT's because they aren't worth it. And I don't know who will be there I just know EVERY Expert says there will be Good starters at G and RT in the 3rd round. Now I thought everyone who seriously followed football knew RT was not an overly valued position, and you never draft one in the first round, but consider me corrected.
maryland-bills-fan Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 (edited) You will never get back the equivalent value of the #9 pick. Like the old saying goes, if you have two QBs, you don't have any. Teams know it's an untenable situation, one of them HAS to go, and your leverage is gone. Disclaimer: that was OPINION. GO BILLS!!! Kelly and Reich. Lamonica and Kemp Young and ...... Edited April 15, 2014 by maryland-bills-fan
simpleman Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 Simple you can rage on me all you want, The bills have addressed LG. Don't like it call whaley and B word at him. I don't rate RT's because they aren't worth it. And I don't know who will be there I just know EVERY Expert says there will be Good starters at G and RT in the 3rd round. Now I thought everyone who seriously followed football knew RT was not an overly valued position, and you never draft one in the first round, but consider me corrected. I do follow OTs, and players, and draft projections. And EVERY expert has not said there will be "damn good" RTs available in the 3rd. If you make wild statements as facts you should be prepared to back them up, not wimp out and say EVERYONE just knows. Anyone can talk the talk, serious students of the game back up their opinions with solid facts and walk the walk.
machine gun kelly Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 Please... enough of the trading UP nonsense. This team has a lot of holes to fill/upgrade. One position at the expense of 3 others ISN'T going to help. There will most likely be a solid/impact player there at #9. If the guy/position you want isn't there, then trade DOWN a few (of course if you can) and fill/upgrade more of the holes we have. Who is this savior that people are willing to break the draft bank for?? Thank you. Everyone keeps hearing this is a deep draft for WR, T, and so on. Pick where you pick. This is not Draft Day with costner. BTW- The movie was entertaining but some of the trades were ridiculous. Obviously not made by football diehards.
CSBill Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 If we trade up for an RT, I will fight Doug Whaley. i want to see this May 8th...Please hurry up and get here!!! this !!!!!!
Kirby Jackson Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 I do follow OTs, and players, and draft projections. And EVERY expert has not said there will be "damn good" RTs available in the 3rd. If you make wild statements as facts you should be prepared to back them up, not wimp out and say EVERYONE just knows. Anyone can talk the talk, serious students of the game back up their opinions with solid facts and walk the walk. Potentially: Mewhort, Turner, Bitonio, Richardson or James. I feel pretty confident that at least 1 of these players will be available when the Bills pick in the 3rd. I personally would rather address RT in the 2nd with Moses.
K-9 Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 Kelly and Reich. Lamonica and Kemp Young and ...... Reich was CLEARLY the back up. Lamonica was traded. Montana was traded. When you have two starting caliber QBs, one of them has to go. And EVERYBODY knows it which, unless it's a 1st ballot HOFer like Montana, you simply won't get much for. As it was, the Niners had to throw in a starting safety and a 3rd round pick just to garner that 1st rounder from KC. I just don't see how the Bills could recoup the equivalent of the 9th overall pick in a talent-laded draft in the future. I don't see how you can make two QBs the starter long enough for EITHER to establish himself enough to PROVE his worth as a #1 pick. Can't see that at all. GO BILLS!!!
YoloinOhio Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 Simple you can rage on me all you want, The bills have addressed LG. Don't like it call whaley and B word at him. I don't rate RT's because they aren't worth it. And I don't know who will be there I just know EVERY Expert says there will be Good starters at G and RT in the 3rd round. Now I thought everyone who seriously followed football knew RT was not an overly valued position, and you never draft one in the first round, but consider me corrected. Telesco drafted DJ Fluker at 11 last year to play RT and it worked out very well. He isn't as polished yet in pass protection but is a beast against the run and helped them revive their running game and offense as a whole. It was a risk but IMO it paid off for them, despite a number of holes they have still do have. A good OL can mask a lot. Now, I would yawn at a OT at 9. But I wouldn't say that great football minds never do it.
3rdand12 Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 (edited) Telesco drafted DJ Fluker at 11 last year to play RT and it worked out very well. He isn't as polished yet in pass protection but is a beast against the run and helped them revive their running game and offense as a whole. It was a risk but IMO it paid off for them, despite a number of holes they have still do have. A good OL can mask a lot. Now, I would yawn at a OT at 9. But I wouldn't say that great football minds never do it. As they say , times change. Trade up ? i cant see giving away anything in this years draft by the Bills. Unless its a "gulp" QB. That's allowed.I am fine with Matthews or Robinson at nine and a little girly shriek i would expell. Just because those are sure things. I need to be clear edit oops RT is gaining value. Though not financially realized yet these guys are getting more important each season Edited April 15, 2014 by 3rdand12
YoloinOhio Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 (edited) As they say , times change. Trade up ? i cant see giving away anything in this years draft by the Bills. Unless its a "gulp" QB. That's allowed. No, I don't advocate trading up at all in this draft. But taking an OT at 9 with the intention to play RT has not always been the worst idea. Reich was CLEARLY the back up. Lamonica was traded. Montana was traded. When you have two starting caliber QBs, one of them has to go. And EVERYBODY knows it which, unless it's a 1st ballot HOFer like Montana, you simply won't get much for. As it was, the Niners had to throw in a starting safety and a 3rd round pick just to garner that 1st rounder from KC. I just don't see how the Bills could recoup the equivalent of the 9th overall pick in a talent-laded draft in the future. I don't see how you can make two QBs the starter long enough for EITHER to establish himself enough to PROVE his worth as a #1 pick. Can't see that at all. GO BILLS!!! Not to mention, now you are not only developing 1 QB, you are developing 2. So split up the time of the coaches and the reps, so each gets half of what they really need to be successful? None of the QBs in this draft are projected to take the field and light it up right away. So you are dumping another project on the team who needs to learn the system, NFL film study, has never thrown a pass to our WRs... instead of drafting someone who will actually see the field? I don't see it... I'm OK with taking one next year if EJ can't progress. I also would have liked to add a vet qb to the mix, but honestly there wasn't a viable one out there. Vick and McCown both wanted to start and wouldn't have picked the Bills even if they did offer them due to the Bills not having the starting job open, and their price tags were high for backups anyway. Edited April 15, 2014 by YoloinOhio
Kellyto83TD Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 I do follow OTs, and players, and draft projections. And EVERY expert has not said there will be "damn good" RTs available in the 3rd. If you make wild statements as facts you should be prepared to back them up, not wimp out and say EVERYONE just knows. Anyone can talk the talk, serious students of the game back up their opinions with solid facts and walk the walk. LMAO ok thanks for coming by and gracing us with your Presence. BTW you are a GM or scout for who again? That said The experts across the board have said you can get a good Starting RT and Guards into round 3 and its fact. I am not going to go re trace the last couple months assessments by everyone for you, but they have said it, I don't guess, speculate or just pull statements like that out of my butt. As for as other solid facts, NO team or GM worth a damn drafts RT's in the first round. Now they plan on these guys being LT's and some end up not living up to potential and being RT's but you just do not get a RT in round one period. And I am with another poster that if Whaley and company take a guy to play RT in round one when we can still upgrade LB, TE, Safety etc. I have to say they are worthless and I am done with this team. Fortunately I don't feel Whaley is anywhere near that stupid. My personal choice is to trade down at least once and get more picks. Address LB, TE at that point, and in round 2 Grab a RT and maybe more if we have another 2nd rounder like last year. No, I don't advocate trading up at all in this draft. But taking an OT at 9 with the intention to play RT has not always been the worst idea. Not to mention, now you are not only developing 1 QB, you are developing 2. So split up the time of the coaches and the reps, so each gets half of what they really need to be successful? None of the QBs in this draft are projected to take the field and light it up right away. So you are dumping another project on the team who needs to learn the system, NFL film study, has never thrown a pass to our WRs... instead of drafting someone who will actually see the field? I don't see it... I'm OK with taking one next year if EJ can't progress. I also would have liked to add a vet qb to the mix, but honestly there wasn't a viable one out there. Vick and McCown both wanted to start and wouldn't have picked the Bills even if they did offer them due to the Bills not having the starting job open, and their price tags were high for backups anyway. No, I don't advocate trading up at all in this draft. But taking an OT at 9 with the intention to play RT has not always been the worst idea. Not to mention, now you are not only developing 1 QB, you are developing 2. So split up the time of the coaches and the reps, so each gets half of what they really need to be successful? None of the QBs in this draft are projected to take the field and light it up right away. So you are dumping another project on the team who needs to learn the system, NFL film study, has never thrown a pass to our WRs... instead of drafting someone who will actually see the field? I don't see it... I'm OK with taking one next year if EJ can't progress. I also would have liked to add a vet qb to the mix, but honestly there wasn't a viable one out there. Vick and McCown both wanted to start and wouldn't have picked the Bills even if they did offer them due to the Bills not having the starting job open, and their price tags were high for backups anyway. The only think more stupid than taking a pure RT in round one (esp in the top 10) is taking a punter at #9.
K-9 Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 No, I don't advocate trading up at all in this draft. But taking an OT at 9 with the intention to play RT has not always been the worst idea. Not to mention, now you are not only developing 1 QB, you are developing 2. So split up the time of the coaches and the reps, so each gets half of what they really need to be successful? None of the QBs in this draft are projected to take the field and light it up right away. So you are dumping another project on the team who needs to learn the system, NFL film study, has never thrown a pass to our WRs... instead of drafting someone who will actually see the field? I don't see it... I'm OK with taking one next year if EJ can't progress. I also would have liked to add a vet qb to the mix, but honestly there wasn't a viable one out there. Vick and McCown both wanted to start and wouldn't have picked the Bills even if they did offer them due to the Bills not having the starting job open, and their price tags were high for backups anyway. That's the crux of it. Like I said, I just don't see a practical way of developing two young QBs to be starters simultaneously. It's literally impossible to do, IN MY OPINION ( I feel a need to insert that disclaimer now). GO BILLS!!!
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 IF you're right that one of those QB's you'd do much better trading with some team below who wants a QB and get extra picks. If I'm Jax and made that trade, I'd be taking a hell of a risk that some other team doesn't trade up to #8 to take him prior. Otherwise I don't see how the Bills could be in position to draft him. I fully expect the Rams to draft either Mathews or Robinson and Atlanta to take the other. Jacksonville is well within reach for a trade up without mortgaging too much. If the Jaguars are truly targeting a QB with their first pick then one of the three, Manziel, Bortles and Bridgewater, should be there at the #9 spot. https://mobile.twitt...077701598560257
Bills Fan of St Augustine Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 LMAO ok thanks for coming by and gracing us with your Presence. BTW you are a GM or scout for who again? That said The experts across the board have said you can get a good Starting RT and Guards into round 3 and its fact. I am not going to go re trace the last couple months assessments by everyone for you, but they have said it, I don't guess, speculate or just pull statements like that out of my butt. As for as other solid facts, NO team or GM worth a damn drafts RT's in the first round. Now they plan on these guys being LT's and some end up not living up to potential and being RT's but you just do not get a RT in round one period. And I am with another poster that if Whaley and company take a guy to play RT in round one when we can still upgrade LB, TE, Safety etc. I have to say they are worthless and I am done with this team. Fortunately I don't feel Whaley is anywhere near that stupid. My personal choice is to trade down at least once and get more picks. Address LB, TE at that point, and in round 2 Grab a RT and maybe more if we have another 2nd rounder like last year. The only think more stupid than taking a pure RT in round one (esp in the top 10) is taking a punter at #9. Wow, talk about defensive. Dude - chill out. You're entitled to your opinion as are the others. If they draft an OT at 9 they are drafting a OL who may start at RT or may develop into a LT later. Having two good OTs is a problem I'd welcome after the OL disaster of the past decade. Really, the OL wasn't that bad? Did you watch games last year? I really believe that the gap in pay between LT and RT will continue to close in the coming years. Maybe never completely but narrow. The top RT is at about #13 verses LT. Pass rush specialists are becoming the norm to rush from both sides of the line. Pass happy league, more pass rushers to counter and now bookend OTs will be the response. Your last statement is simply validation that you've let this discussion become too emotional or you need your medication adjusted. The Bills will draft an OT at 9 and we'll be a better team for years to come because of it. You can bank on it.
BuffaloRebound Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 I'd rather trade up for Watkins, Evans, or Mack than either of the tackles. Give raiders our 1st and 3rd round picks for pick #5. Odds of any of the top 6 non-QB prospects dropping to 9th pick are slim. If we get Evans or Watkins, trade Stevie to Carolina for a 3rd round pick.
Hazed and Amuzed Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 (edited) If the Bills trade up to 3 to draft Jake Mathews I will never watch another Bills game as long as I live. I didn't need to read any farther than this. If the effing Bills trade ALL the way up to that spot for a tackle I'll lose my mind. As great as it would be to have a top tackle I'd rather trade up for someone with a larger impact. Just ask the Dolphins, they took Long over Matt Ryan and they've been pretty crappy. Tackles are great an all but who would seriously trade up that many spots at that steep a price for one. I'm pretty confident that Whaley isn't a moron. LMAO ok thanks for coming by and gracing us with your Presence. BTW you are a GM or scout for who again? That said The experts across the board have said you can get a good Starting RT and Guards into round 3 and its fact. I am not going to go re trace the last couple months assessments by everyone for you, but they have said it, I don't guess, speculate or just pull statements like that out of my butt. As for as other solid facts, NO team or GM worth a damn drafts RT's in the first round. Now they plan on these guys being LT's and some end up not living up to potential and being RT's but you just do not get a RT in round one period. And I am with another poster that if Whaley and company take a guy to play RT in round one when we can still upgrade LB, TE, Safety etc. I have to say they are worthless and I am done with this team. Fortunately I don't feel Whaley is anywhere near that stupid. My personal choice is to trade down at least once and get more picks. Address LB, TE at that point, and in round 2 Grab a RT and maybe more if we have another 2nd rounder like last year. The only think more stupid than taking a pure RT in round one (esp in the top 10) is taking a punter at #9. Ummmm while I don't disagree with your philosophy(I don't like the idea of a RT in rd 1) I'm pretty sure Ted Thompson took a RT in rd1(Baluga) and I feel like he's a GM that's worth a damn. Edited April 16, 2014 by Hazed and Amuzed
ExWNYer Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 Otherwise I don't see how the Bills could be in position to draft him. I fully expect the Rams to draft either Mathews or Robinson and Atlanta to take the other. Jacksonville is well within reach for a trade up without mortgaging too much. If the Jaguars are truly targeting a QB with their first pick then one of the three, Manziel, Bortles and Bridgewater, should be there at the #9 spot. https://mobile.twitt...077701598560257 Jesus H! Can we stop with this garbage, please?!! No way in hell do they need to trade up for a friggin' OT. A RT, no less. There's a good chance that one will be there at 9 if they really want to go that route. If not, then Evans may still be there. They don't need to be surrendering picks in a deep draft and they'll need them next year, too, if Manuel doesn't pan out. Stay put at 9 and let the draft come to you. There will be an excellent player available to them where they are currently slotted.
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