BADOLBILZ Posted April 14, 2014 Posted April 14, 2014 http://www.csnphilly...bout-cj-spiller Sounds like the Eagles asked... and the Bills said no way. Due diligence on the Eagles part. The Bills are notorious for getting raped in trades so it always pays to inquire before someone else does.
oman128 Posted April 14, 2014 Posted April 14, 2014 okay Spiller is still a Bills player he wasn't traded, there's enough rumor and speculation running around western New York right now we don't need to whip up anymore drama close this thread please.
Captain Hindsight Posted April 14, 2014 Posted April 14, 2014 Not like might be harsh. But this regime did not draft Spiller. And a situational skatback like Spiller does not seem, at least to me, to be a player someone like Marrone (and by extension his mini-me Hackett) would covet. Youre kidding right? How much speed has been added to the offense since Marrone came aboard? Every week Marrone brings up how he wants more speed and they are going to trade one of the fastest players in the league?
Lurker Posted April 14, 2014 Posted April 14, 2014 (edited) 3,000 rushing yards in your first four seasons isn't special. In Sayers' case, it was when it only took 42 games to get there (vs. 61 for Spiller): Sayers: http://www.pro-footb.../S/SayeGa00.htm Spiller: http://www.pro-footb.../S/SpilC.00.htm Edited April 15, 2014 by Lurker
thebandit27 Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 I saw Gale Sayers. CJ Spiller is no Gale Sayers. Never said he was...I simply found that stat worth highlighting
FireChan Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 Never said he was...I simply found that stat worth highlighting I got a stat. Spiller's last name starts with S, just like Sayers and Sanders. "Spiller, 26, has 3,021 career rushing yards, 1,070 receiving yards, 1,157 kick return yards and 302 punt-return yards to go along with 18 touchdowns." Sayers through his first 4 seasons (per PFR): 3,834 rushing yards, 1,197 receiving yards, 2,442 kick return yards, and 391 punt return yards to go along with 46 touchdowns. Let's also qualify the raw numbers a bit, and add in games played and yards per whatever. Spiller: 61 games, 5.1 yards/carry, 7.7 yards/catch, 23.1 yards/KR, 12.1 yards/PR Sayers: 50 games, 5.3 yards/carry, 12.7 yards/catch, 31.7 yards/KR, 14.5 yards/PR What we have here is an author using incredibly arbitrary cutoffs (what's special about 1,150 KR yards or 300 PR yards again?) to force an unfair/inaccurate "similarity" between two not-that-similar players. If you just look at players with at least 5,000 all-purpose yards in their first 4 years, Sayers comes in 4th and Spiller 81st. If you require a minimum of 4,000 yards from scrimmage to weed out return specialists, Sayers comes in 3rd and Spiller 46th. Listen, I don't want to give Bill's crusade/jihad too much ammunition here. Spiller is at least a good player, and looked like a great player in 2012. He doesn't have to be Gale Sayers to be worth keeping around. (And that's good, because he's NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE to Gale Sayers.) We don't need to pretend that he and Sayers are in some elite class by themselves to convince ourselves that Spiller is good. It's enough to just look at his 5.1 career yards/carry and breakaway speed, and chalk up last year's struggles to a combination of bereavement and injury. (He looked significantly slower when he came back from the high ankle sprain, and got caught from behind at least a couple times on what would've been TDs in 2012.) And by the way, 46th on that list, while not in any way in Sayers' class, is still pretty good. There's a few flameouts on the list, but it's mostly made up of good players, including (way above Spiller) almost every HOF running back. This is in the same vein of my "minimum 200 carries vs minimum 208 carries" point. I commend you sir.
Mr. WEO Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 (edited) I understand some of the criticism surrounding Spiller when it comes to injury concerns, but I never agree on the ability part. The Bills IMO need to build their offensive attack around Spiller as the centerpiece. Agreed. Look at all the other playoff winners building their offense around situational scatbacks. Edited April 15, 2014 by Mr. WEO
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 a 4th or 5th rounder? no way. IF someone wants CJ make em pay
BillsBytheBay Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 I didn't realize so many people are done with Spiller already. I'm glad that that the Bills didn't even entertain the offer. What people need to really see is that Fred will be the first out the door. So, I believe there is a short list of non "situational" backs. Peterson, Lynch, Forte... Not many. I believe you can build an offense around a situational back. But with two talented situational backs it's could be very effective. I would love to see them take a late round power back to develop behind Fred. I dont think the team has many holes. Don't toss a talented player for a draft pick. Keep the talent. People seem to throw the idea of tradeing talented players for picks, like there guaranteed hits. Better QB play will improve the running game and everything else.
Delete This Account Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 not entirely clear why this is news. i might be wrong, but i'm guessing that several GMs and team presidents around the league have commication devices, which they use to contact one another to discuss a variety of topics including the status and value of players, and what it might take to pry a player loose. sometimes these conversations reach fruition where something called, "a trade," is consumated. other times, probably more than "once," someone rejects the offer either early or late in the process of what's termed "a negotiation." jw
thebandit27 Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 not entirely clear why this is news. i might be wrong, but i'm guessing that several GMs and team presidents around the league have commication devices, which they use to contact one another to discuss a variety of topics including the status and value of players, and what it might take to pry a player loose. sometimes these conversations reach fruition where something called, "a trade," is consumated. other times, probably more than "once," someone rejects the offer either early or late in the process of what's termed "a negotiation." jw It's news because it involves a popular player on the Bills, and is something of a testament to his value around the league. There's no need to be snarky about it.
FireChan Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 not entirely clear why this is news. i might be wrong, but i'm guessing that several GMs and team presidents around the league have commication devices, which they use to contact one another to discuss a variety of topics including the status and value of players, and what it might take to pry a player loose. sometimes these conversations reach fruition where something called, "a trade," is consumated. other times, probably more than "once," someone rejects the offer either early or late in the process of what's termed "a negotiation." jw I laughed. I didn't realize so many people are done with Spiller already. I'm glad that that the Bills didn't even entertain the offer. What people need to really see is that Fred will be the first out the door. So, I believe there is a short list of non "situational" backs. Peterson, Lynch, Forte... Not many. I believe you can build an offense around a situational back. But with two talented situational backs it's could be very effective. I would love to see them take a late round power back to develop behind Fred. I dont think the team has many holes. Don't toss a talented player for a draft pick. Keep the talent. People seem to throw the idea of tradeing talented players for picks, like there guaranteed hits. Better QB play will improve the running game and everything else. So, I believe there is a short list of non "situational" backs. Peterson, Lynch, Forte... Not many. I disagree. Let's go through the list. Steven Jackson, Frank Gore, Rashard Mendenhall, MJD, Arian Foster, Doug Martin, Jamaal Charles, Forte, Lynch, Peterson, Lacy, McCoy, Matthews, Stacy, McFadden, Morris, Reggie Bush, Trent Richardson. Only a few of those guys are even close to as fast as Spiller. But on third and one, I'd take almost all of them OVER Spiller.
Delete This Account Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 It's news because it involves a popular player on the Bills, and is something of a testament to his value around the league. There's no need to be snarky about it. being snarky because in this overly TMZ-news-every-minute-can't-get-enough-of-it-without-providing-any-time-for-perspective-or-nuance world this actually counts as news. whereas as recently as 10 years ago, this wouldn't have been reported and the world would not be different, as it is no different today than it was before the Eagles were rejected in their bid to get Spiller. in other news, Michael Vick, is still a New York Jet. jw
3rdand12 Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 so snarky it is then ? Mr. Wawrow ? Sarcasm font button has eluded me again darn it all
NoSaint Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 being snarky because in this overly TMZ-news-every-minute-can't-get-enough-of-it-without-providing-any-time-for-perspective-or-nuance world this actually counts as news. whereas as recently as 10 years ago, this wouldn't have been reported and the world would not be different, as it is no different today than it was before the Eagles were rejected in their bid to get Spiller. in other news, Michael Vick, is still a New York Jet. jw Perhaps not earth shattering, but interesting tidbits might be gleaned from the knowledge that the door was closed before even opening for discussions. A report that they couldn't agree on value would have different implications than a report that they weren't interested in offers for instance. Though this report doesn't strongly make the case for that distinction.
Beerball Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 I didn't realize so many people are done with Spiller already. I'm glad that that the Bills didn't even entertain the offer. What people need to really see is that Fred will be the first out the door. So, I believe there is a short list of non "situational" backs. Peterson, Lynch, Forte... Not many. I believe you can build an offense around a situational back. But with two talented situational backs it's could be very effective. I would love to see them take a late round power back to develop behind Fred. I dont think the team has many holes. Don't toss a talented player for a draft pick. Keep the talent. People seem to throw the idea of tradeing talented players for picks, like there guaranteed hits. Better QB play will improve the running game and everything else. I'm curious about how their touches/game compare to CJ. I would call none of those 3 'situational' backs.
thebandit27 Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 being snarky because in this overly TMZ-news-every-minute-can't-get-enough-of-it-without-providing-any-time-for-perspective-or-nuance world this actually counts as news. whereas as recently as 10 years ago, this wouldn't have been reported and the world would not be different, as it is no different today than it was before the Eagles were rejected in their bid to get Spiller. in other news, Michael Vick, is still a New York Jet. jw That...sounds a lot like whining
Gugny Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 That...sounds a lot like whining If I may ... I think it is news, as Bandit says, because it involves CJ Spiller. I also believe that it's likely commonplace for teams to throw their hats in the ring, realizing there's a 99.9% chance the other team will reject any offer made - therefore making it not newsworthy. This happens in all of sports. The first thing I saw on espn.com this morning was that Michael Phelps was un-retiring. That. Is not news.
4BillsintheBurgh Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 not entirely clear why this is news. i might be wrong, but i'm guessing that several GMs and team presidents around the league have commication devices, which they use to contact one another to discuss a variety of topics including the status and value of players, and what it might take to pry a player loose. sometimes these conversations reach fruition where something called, "a trade," is consumated. other times, probably more than "once," someone rejects the offer either early or late in the process of what's termed "a negotiation." jw You said consumated. Huh huh huh
FluffHead Posted April 16, 2014 Author Posted April 16, 2014 being snarky because in this overly TMZ-news-every-minute-can't-get-enough-of-it-without-providing-any-time-for-perspective-or-nuance world this actually counts as news. whereas as recently as 10 years ago, this wouldn't have been reported and the world would not be different, as it is no different today than it was before the Eagles were rejected in their bid to get Spiller. in other news, Michael Vick, is still a New York Jet. jw It's showing the Bills at least somewhat value a player that many question how this staff feels about. It's the offseason. It's news.
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