TakeYouToTasker Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. And where in the preamble is the power to acquire new territory assigned?
Chef Jim Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 Yes, the vast majority of people have interpreted the Constitution more liberally or broadly than you. And thank goodness! You really think Jefferson should have stuck to his strict interpretation and not bought Louisiana? Really? The vast majority?
Deranged Rhino Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 The vast majority? A truly terrifying thought.
Dante Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 Yes, the vast majority of people have interpreted the Constitution more liberally or broadly than you. And thank goodness! You really think Jefferson should have stuck to his strict interpretation and not bought Louisiana? Really? We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. Then why did they write the entire constitution? That one sentence covers it all. They could have just said. "Just make everyone happy"
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 The vast majority? You are laughing at democracy? Just shows you don't understand how our government even works. Not surprising And where in the preamble is the power to acquire new territory assigned? What are you saying? You really think we should give back the LP? And promoting the general welfare could be interpreted pretty broadly Then why did they write the entire constitution? That one sentence covers it all. They could have just said. "Just make everyone happy" No, not enough structure
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 (edited) Please point out the portion of the Constitution which authorizes the Federal government to acquire new territories. I am pretty sure it was Leavenworth v. Lowe (1885). I don't have time to beat a dead horse w/you. Quick breakdown from Wiki (easy): 1885: Cession and reservation as alternatives In 1885, the Supreme Court ruled that there were two additional ways in which the United States could acquire federal enclaves: (1) the states could "cede" legislative jurisdiction to the United States, and (2) the United States could "reserve" legislative jurisdiction at the time of statehood. The Supreme Court added that these "cessions" and "reservations" were not limited to Enclave Clause ("needful building") purposes. Then why did they write the entire constitution? To correct the defects in The Articles. Anyway, this situation in Texas, doesn't it go back 20 years (just like Bundy) where the Fed won in court? Edited April 23, 2014 by ExiledInIllinois
DC Tom Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 You are laughing at democracy? Just shows you don't understand how our government even works. Not surprising Yeah...uh, okay. Somebody else want to take this one?
3rdnlng Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 I am pretty sure it was Leavenworth v. Lowe (1885). I don't have time to beat a dead horse w/you. Quick breakdown from Wiki (easy): 1885: Cession and reservation as alternatives In 1885, the Supreme Court ruled that there were two additional ways in which the United States could acquire federal enclaves: (1) the states could "cede" legislative jurisdiction to the United States, and (2) the United States could "reserve" legislative jurisdiction at the time of statehood. The Supreme Court added that these "cessions" and "reservations" were not limited to Enclave Clause ("needful building") purposes. To correct the defects in The Articles. Anyway, this situation in Texas, doesn't it go back 20 years (just like Bundy) where the Fed won in court? You whiffed on the Dante response to Gator and you should read up on the Texas dispute before making any claims of the Feds winning anything in court. Yeah...uh, okay. Somebody else want to take this one? Reluctantly. Hey Gator, is the U.S. a democracy?
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 You whiffed on the Dante response to Gator... So the USC was written w/no intention of correcting the defects in The Articles of Confederation? What are you Canadian too?
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 Yeah...uh, okay. Somebody else want to take this one? Please do! You whiffed on the Dante response to Gator and you should read up on the Texas dispute before making any claims of the Feds winning anything in court. Reluctantly. Hey Gator, is the U.S. a democracy? We are a democratic republic 3rd
3rdnlng Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 So the USC was written w/no intention of correcting the defects in The Articles of Confederation? What are you Canadian too? Strike two. Read what I wrote, then read what gator wrote and Dante's response to him. Don't pull a "connor" "exhiled". You are laughing at democracy? Just shows you don't understand how our government even works. Not surprising What are you saying? You really think we should give back the LP? And promoting the general welfare could be interpreted pretty broadly No, not enough structure Yes, if it will get rid of ObamaCare. Please do! We are a democratic republic 3rd How is that different than a democracy?
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 Strike two. Read what I wrote, then read what gator wrote and Dante's response to him. Don't pull a "connor" "exhiled". Yes, if it will get rid of ObamaCare. How is that different than a democracy? What do you mean by a "democracy"? I need to know to draw a comparison.
Chef Jim Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 You are laughing at democracy? Just shows you don't understand how our government even works. Not surprising No I'm laughing at your comment that the vast majority look at the Constitution liberally as opposed to literally. So what percentage is this VAST majority. 60%, 70%, 80%, 99.9999999%? Quick, give me number and back it up.
3rdnlng Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 What do you mean by a "democracy"? I need to know to draw a comparison. If you don't know, then look it up.
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 Why do people have such heartburn with this. The power lies in the enclave clause and when it doesn't it is backed up with court decisions going as far back as 1885 like Leavenworth v. Lowe that I cited with regard to cessions and reservations. Forget Gator here for a second, they are blowing smoke up your guy's azzes... Some just love to take the bait.
TakeYouToTasker Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 EII: It absolutely is not located in the Enclave clause. It also is not located in court decisions rendered 100 years later. Constitution /= Constitutional Law
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 EII: It absolutely is not located in the Enclave clause. It also is not located in court decisions rendered 100 years later. Constitution /= Constitutional Law Please explain then. Agree to disagree. Fed Gov't aquisition & jurisdiction is addressed in Art. 1, Sec. 8, Clause 17 AND the courts have ruled past that clause when it doesn't fit (cessions and reservations). Now, for YOU it is nowhere in the USC. There are almost 10,000 enclaves in the United States. How did those areas come about? Yes, I understand your comment about Constitution /= Constitutional Law.
Deranged Rhino Posted April 24, 2014 Posted April 24, 2014 “I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do. “And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.” Oops. http://www.politico.com/story/2014/04/rand-paul-dean-heller-cliven-bundy-105982.html
DC Tom Posted April 24, 2014 Posted April 24, 2014 “I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do. “And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.” Oops. http://www.politico....ndy-105982.html I don't think anyone here has claimed Bundy isn't nuts.
B-Man Posted April 24, 2014 Posted April 24, 2014 jon gabriel @exjon "I hope Cliven Bundy didn't want to be the next CEO of Mozilla"................................lol The Old ‘Slavery Wasn’t So Bad’ Canard by Rich Lowrey Bundy’s Racial Rhetoric by Kevin D. Williamson .
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