Corporate suck up question...

[IDBillzFan]

What am i missing..how in the world could that be seen as bad?

 

It's not necessarily bad. Maybe it's a personal preference, but I've been a boss for 20 years and it just strikes me as a suck up move. What I see is the scene from Christmas Vacation when Clark Griswold brings his boss a Christmas present.

[MarkyMannn]

what are your thoughts of sending an email to a brand new CEO who in his first major act cut several jobs out of necessity? That just happened at my company, thankfully I survived the cuts. But the new Management team took to a makeshift stage today in our location to face some disgruntled employees and listen to their sense of entitlement attitudes. The cuts were very painful but very necessary if the company has any hope of surviving.

I have heard people that sent emails to the new CEO expressing their support in the difficult decisions and direction he and his team took...what do y'all think of that? Is it appropriate in a corporate environment or do you think the Leadership team reads and appreciates seeing that kind of thing?

 

What are you going to say? "Nice job on the firings. Hope you get the $100 million bonus"

[John from Riverside]

Personally I wouldnt want to be on his radar until you have done something good for the company

 

Not after a purge....which may not be finished

[ExiledInIllinois]

I think plenz & KD are the only two that want to get Pooj fired. What did Pooj ever do to you guys?

 

;-P ;-P

 

 

 

What are you going to say? "Nice job on the firings. Hope you get the $100 million bonus"

 

Exactly. Who's taking bets that this company is gone in 5 years anyway? Hard cuts to "save the company." LoL... What's the odds it is as good as gone anyway?

 

Like Kevin said, lot of these people got their lives turned upside down. This dude should get a bonus!

[KD in CA]

I think plenz & KD are the only two that want to get Pooj fired. What did Pooj ever do to you guys?

 

;-P ;-P

 

 

 

Exactly. Who's taking bets that this company is gone in 5 years anyway? Hard cuts to "save the company." LoL... What's the odds it is as good as gone anyway?

 

Like Kevin said, lot of these people got their lives turned upside down. This dude should get a bonus!

 

plenz and I are the only ones with some balls.

 

Gotta stand out from the crowd. We're going to get Pooj into that corner office!

 

 

And you guys have been watching too many movies about $100MM bonuses.

[Jauronimo]

plenz and I are the only ones with some balls.

 

Gotta stand out from the crowd. We're going to get Pooj into that corner office!

 

 

And you guys have been watching too many movies about $100MM bonuses.

You brown nosers have gumption. Kissing ass takes guts. Remember that guy who was awarded the silver star for giving General Patton a bouquet of fresh picked daisies? The balls on that guy!

[Chef Jim]

I wouldn't email him just yet. Facebook friend him first. He'll love your beer posts. Then PM him. That's what I'd do.

[boyst]

I wouldn't email him just yet. Facebook friend him first. He'll love your beer posts. Then PM him. That's what I'd do.

that's actually good advice. If there is a way to socially message him or something it might work.

 

And posting beer stuff would get anyones attention.

[plenzmd1]

I wouldn't email him just yet. Facebook friend him first. He'll love your beer posts. Then PM him. That's what I'd do.

 

Maybe point him to your instagram account.after all Pooj works for an internet commerce site now, has to show he his hip!

 

Dead serious, my kids never touch facebook anymore..in my daughters words" mommy book " , cause all the Mommies on Facebook now..

 

Never knew emaiing someone was considered sucking up..i swear you guys must all work for companies who have hierarchical structures from 50 years ago.

[Chef Jim]

Maybe point him to your instagram account.after all Pooj works for an internet commerce site now, has to show he his hip!

 

Dead serious, my kids never touch facebook anymore..in my daughters words" mommy book " , cause all the Mommies on Facebook now..

 

Never knew emaiing someone was considered sucking up..i swear you guys must all work for companies who have hierarchical structures from 50 years ago.

 

I love the fact that we ruined FB for our kids. !@#$ you Zuck.

 

When I talk to my CEO we mostly talk politics (who can you handle it "up there" Jim) and wine.

[KD in CA]

Never knew emaiing someone was considered sucking up..i swear you guys must all work for companies who have hierarchical structures from 50 years ago.

 

This again.

 

In the past 20 years I haven't worked for a company where the terms 'sucking up' or 'ass kissing' even exist. Come on folks, embrace the new century. The CEO's door is always open!

[Gugny]

If it's anything like I went through, the new CEO was brought in solely for the PURPOSE of making those cuts.

 

My company brought someone in from the outside with no emotional ties so he could just look at positions and salaries without taking families, sicknesses or any other extenuating circumstances into consideration.

 

I hope it's not the case with you, Poojer. Regardless, I sincerely doubt the guy is even reading any emails from the rank and file.

 

I sincerely hope you make any subsequent cuts, man. Best of luck.

 

gugny

[Kevin]

So, according to the guy who works there, the cuts were "necessary " for the long term viability of the company. Maybe a deal where one cuts ten jobs to save the other 90.

 

Maybe, just maybe, the new CEO did what was painful to him but had to be done. Maybe, just maybe, this guy knew this RIF would not endear him to his employees, but he did what he knew was best for the company long term even though he would be seen as the arse hole. Maybe, just maybe, this decision will help see Pooj not have to relocate again.

 

But your right Kevin, a disgusting act that you know nothing about.

 

 

 

Yes Pooj, nothing wrong with sending an email welcoming him to company, acknowledging hard decisions were made, and that you are committed to the success of the company. Brief and to the point.

 

Hmmm, so lets all stand around and high five each other 'cause our friends just got laid off and we didn't. Hey, they took one for the team right? Tell their spouses and children that.

 

Just so you know, you're right. I know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about congratulating someone for laying someone off because it's not something a reasonable, or caring person would do.

 

Go ahead and email your congratulatory email to your boss Pooj. When your times up (which I hope it never is) then feel free to email him again and congratulate him on doing what was "necessary".

 

Best advice, like CBF said in a prior post, "let your work do the talking".

Edited April 11, 2014 by Kevin

[ExiledInIllinois]

Dead serious, my kids never touch facebook anymore..in my daughters words" mommy book " , cause all the Mommies on Facebook now..

 

Been like that for a while... My teenage children haven't been on in some time. I asked: "What happened to Facebook?" They said: "It is for old people now." Good for them, finally getting some sense! I told them I was always ahead of the curve... I never, ever, touched a Facebook, opened an account, etc.. in my life. They just rolled their eyes. Now, it is all pictures on Instagram or something, kinda like that dude that posts on PPP.

 

Anyway, my father... Almost 80... Never touched a key on a keyboard in his life, let alone using a computer in any capacity nailed it. He said: Facebook is nothing more than "front porch gossip." I guess even in a simpler time, he got the concept of "LAMP's."

[plenzmd1]

 

 

Hmmm, so lets all stand around and high five each other 'cause our friends just got laid off and we didn't. Hey, they took one for the team right? Tell their spouses and children that.

 

Just so you know, you're right. I know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about congratulating someone for laying someone off because it's not something a reasonable, or caring person would do.

 

Go ahead and email your congratulatory email to your boss Pooj. When your times up (which I hope it never is) then feel free to email him again and congratulate him on doing what was "necessary".

 

Best advice, like CBF said in a prior post, "let your work do the talking".

 

 

Hmm, I worked for a company that reacted to the crisis in 2007by doing a RIF of close to 20%. It was brutal as several of my friends were suddenly let go. Our CEO was devastated by having to let these people go, it absolutely crushed him. We were a company of about 600 then , running at a rather large loss rate, burning cash, and not sure if more financing would be available. He had an absolute fiduciary responsibility , plus a moral responsibility, to do what he had to do to ensure the long term viability of the company .

 

Fast forward 5 years when most every one of those people had been hired back if they wanted, we grew to 1800 people, went public, and then were bought for $3.4 B. Yes billion. Lots of people lives way better off cause he made the tough decision. Without his very tough decision we run out of cash and the doors get shuttered.

 

To say automatically someone should be chastised for making tough decisions is just short sighted. No one said anything on congratulating the guy, but to assume he gets joy out of this is asinine.

 

Just cause the guy worked hard and rose to a position where he needs to make hard choices does not make him an !@#$, no matter how much you want to make it so.

 

 

 

[ExiledInIllinois]

 

 

 

Hmm, I worked for a company that reacted to the crisis in 2007by doing a RIF of close to 20%. It was brutal as several of my friends were suddenly let go. Our CEO was devastated by having to let these people go, it absolutely crushed him. We were a company of about 600 then , running at a rather large loss rate, burning cash, and not sure if more financing would be available. He had an absolute fiduciary responsibility , plus a moral responsibility, to do what he had to do to ensure the long term viability of the company .

 

Fast forward 5 years when most every one of those people had been hired back if they wanted, we grew to 1800 people, went public, and then were bought for $3.4 B. Yes billion. Lots of people lives way better off cause he made the tough decision. Without his very tough decision we run out of cash and the doors get shuttered.

 

To say automatically someone should be chastised for making tough decisions is just short sighted. No one said anything on congratulating the guy, but to assume he gets joy out of this is asinine.

 

Just cause the guy worked hard and rose to a position where he needs to make hard choices does not make him an !@#$, no matter how much you want to make it so.

 

I hear you... That is quite a success story. But, many aren't. The CEO cashes out and yes they are an ass if the place is no longer in business and if they personally gained from the situation. It comes with the territory. Again, nice success story. How has that company been doing in two years since?

[plenzmd1]

I hear you... That is quite a success story. But, many aren't. The CEO cashes out and yes they are an ass if the place is no longer in business and if they personally gained from the situation. It comes with the territory. Again, nice success story. How has that company been doing in two years since?

 

As KD said, think too many movies being watched here. Does the C-Suite make more money than they prolly deserve? Thats a question for another day.

 

Threads like this always remind me of one of my favorite quiotes, from one of my favorite authors, Tom Robbins. In Jitterburh Perfume he writes

 

" this rich are the most discriminated class of people we have today. Ever body assumes they are arse holes just because they are rich. We would never judge other people that way. Put it to you this way. I have known a lot of rich arse holes in my life. I have also known just as many poor arse holes. Only diffrence is the rich ones can buy their own drinks"

 

Kevin assumes this guy is an ass just because he made a hard decision. Could be he is...could be he is not. I can tell you none of us know that! Pooj knows best, and it seems like he thinks the guy has the companies best interest at heart.

 

In terms of my company, i was very proud to be be a part of a company that really had helped push the world of cloud computing to where it is today. Now part of a much larger organization, but the legacy of the company is all over the cloud technology space..pretty cool stuff

[KD in CA]

Hmm, I worked for a company that reacted to the crisis in 2007by doing a RIF of close to 20%.

 

Same here except we were only 65 people and had to do two rounds of 20% RIF in 2008. I did each of them personally (with my HR Manager who was so distraught by the end of the day on the first round I had to get a car service to take her home. She didn't show up the day we had the second round).

 

I can tell you there was no joy in the "C-suite" about it, but given the ability to raise funding was near zero, the other option was to pray for a few months before doing a 100% RIF. And yeah, bonuses that year were zero.

 

No one is suggesting Pooj congratulate anyone. There's a lot of room between that and offering support for doing what is necessary.

 

People get emotional about this issue, but at the core you are trying to balance a budget. At home if your figures come up short, you cut the cable bill or the dining out budget. If you're doing the same thing at work you look for places to cut. In most businesses, the overwhelming majority of the costs are the people so that's what has to be cut. Businesses don't operate like the government; you can't just print more money when it's convenient.

[ExiledInIllinois]

In most businesses, the overwhelming majority of the costs are the people so that's what has to be cut. Businesses don't operate like the government; you can't just print more money when it's convenient.

 

Same w/the gov't. Not getting too political. But, I am calling baloney.

 

The fed gov't cuts too. I ended up in midwest because of a federal RIF, others I worked with left entirely. @ my work now, we just lost one FTE (Full-Time Employee)... And we operate 24/7/365 w/the minimum of two to a shift. We are now down to 12 people total staff. Out of that crew of 12, 9 staff the site +70% of every minute of every day. Again, with the mandatory minimum of two on a shift (safety).

 

In regard to ratio of government employment to population, we have the smallest group of federal employees to population in decades. 50 years ago the ratio was around 90 people to 1 fed. It is now around 140 people to 1 fed employee.

 

 

"While the private sector has added jobs to the economy in every month since March 2010, a total increase of approximately 6.8 million jobs through April 2013, the public sector has contracted. To put this in perspective, federal, state, and local governments added jobs in only twelve of the thirty-eight months between March 2010 and April 2013 and have lost more than 625,000 jobs over this period. This figure shows the ratio of government employment to the civilian non-institutional population going back to 1980. For the twenty years prior to the Great Recession, this ratio stayed relatively constant, but since then it has dropped precipitously (except for the temporary uptick in 2010 when government employment rose to accommodate demand for U.S. Census workers). The ratio of government employment to population is currently at a decades-long low: it has not been below 9 percent since the mid-1960s."

 

[Kevin]

Peoples lives were turned upside down. A show of support is disgusting to me. I think the people emailing your CEO are trying to kiss their ass because they fear they may be next.

 

Plezmd, where in this quote do I say anything bad about the CEO?

 

I'm not arguing the validity of the layoffs. I get that it happens. I was laid off, my dad was laid off after 20 years of service and sacrifice.

 

I'm saying that sending a congratulatory email to the CEO after the layoffs is disgusting, don't do it. Reason being is that peoples lives were turned upside down as was mine and my dads when he got laid off.

 

I'll continue this later but I have to get back to work...