Those Evil Koch Brothers

[3rdnlng]

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303978304579475860515021286?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303978304579475860515021286.html

Rather than try to understand my vision for a free society or accurately report the facts about Koch Industries, our critics would have you believe we're "un-American" and trying to "rig the system," that we're against "environmental protection" or eager to "end workplace safety standards." These falsehoods remind me of the late Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan's observation, "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Here are some facts about my philosophy and our company:

Koch companies employ 60,000 Americans, who make many thousands of products that Americans want and need. According to government figures, our employees and the 143,000 additional American jobs they support generate nearly $11.7 billion in compensation and benefits. About one-third of our U.S.-based employees are union members.

Koch employees have earned well over 700 awards for environmental, health and safety excellence since 2009, many of them from the Environmental Protection Agency and Occupational Safety and Health Administration. EPA officials have commended us for our "commitment to a cleaner environment" and called us "a model for other companies."

Our refineries have consistently ranked among the best in the nation for low per-barrel emissions. In 2012, our Total Case Incident Rate (an important safety measure) was 67% better than a Bureau of Labor Statistics average for peer industries. Even so, we have never rested on our laurels. We believe there is always room for innovation and improvement.

Read more at the link above.

[Azalin]

I saw this in the WSJ the other day. one line from the article:

 

'More than 200 years ago, Thomas Jefferson warned that this could happen. "The natural progress of things," Jefferson wrote, "is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.'

 

I've seen people on this board reply to such statements with lines like 'tell me what liberties the government has taken from you'.

 

by today's standards, you'd never know that Jefferson was a Democrat.

[3rdnlng]

I saw this in the WSJ the other day. one line from the article:

 

'More than 200 years ago, Thomas Jefferson warned that this could happen. "The natural progress of things," Jefferson wrote, "is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.'

 

I've seen people on this board reply to such statements with lines like 'tell me what liberties the government has taken from you'.

 

by today's standards, you'd never know that Jefferson was a Democrat.

 

He'd be in one of the Tea Parties today. So might JFK and MLK.

[drinkTHEkoolaid]

 

 

He'd be in one of the Tea Parties today. So might JFK and MLK.

 

If liberal icon and hero JFK was a politican today he wiuld be one of those kook right wing conservative extremists.

Edited April 8, 2014 by drinkTHEkoolaid

[Tiberius]

I saw this in the WSJ the other day. one line from the article:

 

'More than 200 years ago, Thomas Jefferson warned that this could happen. "The natural progress of things," Jefferson wrote, "is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.'

 

I've seen people on this board reply to such statements with lines like 'tell me what liberties the government has taken from you'.

 

by today's standards, you'd never know that Jefferson was a Democrat.

 

And the government did go so far as to take away the property of men like Jefferson. Poor slave holders, no wonder they were for limited government

 

 

 

If liberal icon and hero JFK was a politican today he wiuld be one of those kook right wing conservative extremists.

Wow, stupid as it gets....While Ronald Reagan was running around screaming like a tea party loon that Medicare was socialism JFK was working to expand government guaranteed health care for the elderly

[3rdnlng]

And the government did go so far as to take away the property of men like Jefferson. Poor slave holders, no wonder they were for limited government

 

Wow, stupid as it gets....While Ronald Reagan was running around screaming like a tea party loon that Medicare was socialism JFK was working to expand government guaranteed health care for the elderly

 

Was that JFK's "pushing up daisies" initiative? You're such a dolt, JFK was as conservative as any president since............JFK.

[Tiberius]

 

 

Was that JFK's "pushing up daisies" initiative? You're such a dolt, JFK was as conservative as any president since............JFK.

 

No

[3rdnlng]

No

 

Some kind of response I'd expect from you.

[OCinBuffalo]

I always laugh when I hear "guaranteed health care"....for anybody.

 

The notion is beyond absurd, when one actually has spent any time with Medicare. (Of course that would require gatorman, baskin, or any other buffoon, on the left or right, to actually do some work, and familiarize themselves with the facts...and how Medicare actually behaves in the wild.)

 

Medicare guarantees nothing other than a hassle for everyone involved, and government jobs for those whose sole task in life is to provide the hassle. The hassle is touted as something other than a hassle...by the people who derive their livelihood from the hassle. But, an experienced, objective observer like myself, who gets paid to provide thoughtful, objective observations...will save you $ and time by saying: "hassle" and being done. In fact, it's an unnecessary hassle, and thus, a scam.

 

I can back all of this up. Just go ahead and dare me. Or, you can accept the fact right now that Medicare, Medicaid and all of it doesn't guarantee anybody anything, other than a hassle, and the fun fact that they have been trapped into providing for the care and well-being of government buffoons. The provision of care is not guaranteed in Medicare. It is limited to "perhaps".

 

In all cases, we will end up in the same place = "unnecessary hassle/scam"...it's just a matter of how we get there(and how much fun I want to have with you along the way).

[Keukasmallies]

Oh yeah, just one Koch brother could kick George Soros' ass!

[Nanker]

TIL Hairy Back Reid accepted money from a Koch lobbyist.

Edited April 8, 2014 by Nanker

[ExiledInIllinois]

Thanx to the Koch brothers I helped move some petcoke this morning. Do I count in that job total? Those evil tar sands!

 

[Azalin]

I always laugh when I hear "guaranteed health care"....for anybody.

 

and on the subject of health care, more from those evil Koch brothers:

 

from the article:

 

 

'No, the only thing the liberal interest groups didn’t like about the new hospital wing was its funding source: the philanthropist known as David H. Koch. The new wing was gratefully to be named after Koch, who along with his brother Charles stands as one of today’s great philanthropists.'

 

http://nypost.com/2014/03/16/loopy-liberals-freak-over-koch-brothers-100m-hospital-gift/

[Tiberius]

and on the subject of health care, more from those evil Koch brothers:

 

from the article:

 

 

'No, the only thing the liberal interest groups didn’t like about the new hospital wing was its funding source: the philanthropist known as David H. Koch. The new wing was gratefully to be named after Koch, who along with his brother Charles stands as one of today’s great philanthropists.'

 

http://nypost.com/20...-hospital-gift/

Liberals don't like philanthropy? How idiotic of a statement is that. The only thing Liberals don't like about it is that it won't fill the void needed to help people. Love the new wing to the hospital, but without the government there wouldn't be nearly as many people that could use it.

[3rdnlng]

and on the subject of health care, more from those evil Koch brothers:

 

from the article:

 

 

'No, the only thing the liberal interest groups didn’t like about the new hospital wing was its funding source: the philanthropist known as David H. Koch. The new wing was gratefully to be named after Koch, who along with his brother Charles stands as one of today’s great philanthropists.'

 

http://nypost.com/20...-hospital-gift/

 

Also from your link:

"Among the many David Koch gifts to this city alone are a previous $15 million to New York-Presbyterian’s Weill Cornell Medical Center, $30 million to Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center, $25 million to the Hospital for Special Surgery, $20 million to a dinosaur exhibit at the American Museum of Natural History, $65 million to the Metropolitan Museum of Art and $100 million to the Lincoln Center theater that is home to the New York City Ballet and the New York City Opera.

If you’re a ballerina, an opera singer, a dinosaur or just a person who has been or could potentially become sick in this city, you should think of David Koch approximately the way you think of, say, Derek Jeter, only not really because Jeter profits from you whereas you profit from Koch.

No hospital receiving funding from George Soros has to worry about a picket line forming outside, even though Soros funded Lynne Stewart, the radical lawyer who served four years in prison for providing material support to al Qaeda terrorism. But let’s not sweat it. It’s not like Soros backs terrorists. He merely backs those who back terrorists, so it’s cool."

[Dante]

I always laugh when I hear "guaranteed health care"....for anybody.

 

The notion is beyond absurd, when one actually has spent any time with Medicare. (Of course that would require gatorman, baskin, or any other buffoon, on the left or right, to actually do some work, and familiarize themselves with the facts...and how Medicare actually behaves in the wild.)

 

Medicare guarantees nothing other than a hassle for everyone involved, and government jobs for those whose sole task in life is to provide the hassle. The hassle is touted as something other than a hassle...by the people who derive their livelihood from the hassle. But, an experienced, objective observer like myself, who gets paid to provide thoughtful, objective observations...will save you $ and time by saying: "hassle" and being done. In fact, it's an unnecessary hassle, and thus, a scam.

 

I can back all of this up. Just go ahead and dare me. Or, you can accept the fact right now that Medicare, Medicaid and all of it doesn't guarantee anybody anything, other than a hassle, and the fun fact that they have been trapped into providing for the care and well-being of government buffoons. The provision of care is not guaranteed in Medicare. It is limited to "perhaps".

 

In all cases, we will end up in the same place = "unnecessary hassle/scam"...it's just a matter of how we get there(and how much fun I want to have with you along the way).

And as always, it seems like someone is making huge bank off these scams. Like this with Obamacare. If this were a Republican program the media would be all over this kind like Haliburton bull. This read should make most people mad.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/04/insurance_stocks_party_like_its_obamacare.html

[IDBillzFan]

Liberals don't like philanthropy? How idiotic of a statement is that. The only thing Liberals don't like about it is that it won't fill the void needed to help people. Love the new wing to the hospital, but without the government there wouldn't be nearly as many people that could use it.

 

We know how you think. This would all be better if the government could just 'take' what the Koch's have and use it the proper way.

 

You really are such a good little statist.

Edited April 8, 2014 by LABillzFan

[DC Tom]

Liberals don't like philanthropy? How idiotic of a statement is that. The only thing Liberals don't like about it is that it won't fill the void needed to help people. Love the new wing to the hospital, but without the government there wouldn't be nearly as many people that could use it.

 

The true irony being that New York-Presbyterian hospital only accepts insurance from 6 of the 19 insurers on the exchange, so Obamacare has reduced the number of people that can use it.

 

You !@#$ing idiot.

[Gary M]

http://online.wsj.co...0515021286.html

 

Rather than try to understand my vision for a free society or accurately report the facts about Koch Industries, our critics would have you believe we're "un-American" and trying to "rig the system," that we're against "environmental protection" or eager to "end workplace safety standards." These falsehoods remind me of the late Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan's observation, "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Here are some facts about my philosophy and our company:

Koch companies employ 60,000 Americans, who make many thousands of products that Americans want and need. According to government figures, our employees and the 143,000 additional American jobs they support generate nearly $11.7 billion in compensation and benefits. About one-third of our U.S.-based employees are union members.

Koch employees have earned well over 700 awards for environmental, health and safety excellence since 2009, many of them from the Environmental Protection Agency and Occupational Safety and Health Administration. EPA officials have commended us for our "commitment to a cleaner environment" and called us "a model for other companies."

Our refineries have consistently ranked among the best in the nation for low per-barrel emissions. In 2012, our Total Case Incident Rate (an important safety measure) was 67% better than a Bureau of Labor Statistics average for peer industries. Even so, we have never rested on our laurels. We believe there is always room for innovation and improvement.

 

Read more at the link above.

 

Not so evil when the money goes to dems.

 

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/04/127528-democrat-senator-thanked-koch-bros-campaign-donation-now-attacks-hidden-agenda/#PrettyPhoto[127528]/0/

[Azalin]

Liberals don't like philanthropy? How idiotic of a statement is that. The only thing Liberals don't like about it is that it won't fill the void needed to help people. Love the new wing to the hospital, but without the government there wouldn't be nearly as many people that could use it.

hey Einstein, it says philanthropist, not philanthropy.

 

and it fills a bigger void than if people had simply waited for the government to spring into action.