Bronc24 Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 Man to be completely honest, I would think long and hard about continuing my support for the Buffalo Bills if Trump was the owner, even if he kept it in Buffalo. In some ways, a football franchise reflects the consciousness of their owner, and Trump is not anyone I'd want near something I love. Well, you're only 59 posts in, so it's not like you've invested a lot of time or effort. I hear the Seahawks' bandwagon is currently accepting people.....
Best Player Available Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 Wondering what the over/under in dollars is on Overdorf,Littmann, and Brandon's severance packages after the Donald closed the deal? I don't see any of them as candidates for celebrity apprentice. I cannot see Trump getting the votes for ownership. I just don't see him buddying up with any current owner they would despise him.
Bronc24 Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 Wondering what the over/under in dollars is on Overdorf,Littmann, and Brandon's severance packages after the Donald closed the deal? I don't see any of them as candidates for celebrity apprentice. I cannot see Trump getting the votes for ownership. I just don't see him buddying up with any current owner they would despise him. I'm not going to debate or dispute your position, but don't you think the bottom line in all of this is money talks?
Best Player Available Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 I'm not going to debate or dispute your position, but don't you think the bottom line in all of this is money talks? With trump it's so really hard to tell just how much money he has. There's no doubt he likes to create the illusion he has the money. But, I believe he mentioned he would dump his casinos to fund a purchase. Anyone buying the team will pay a somewhat inflated price just for the privilege of ownership. If trump is the smartest guy in the room like he portrays. Then dumping profitable casinos would seem like a bad move in terms of profits. Short term at least. Money after all is what the trump brand is all about. he knows WNY couldn't support the huge NFL like ticket price increases that will come with anyone buying the team. new stadium or not. He is blowing smoke, and if he isn't then the Bills future under him will be short lived.
K-9 Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 With trump it's so really hard to tell just how much money he has. There's no doubt he likes to create the illusion he has the money. But, I believe he mentioned he would dump his casinos to fund a purchase. Anyone buying the team will pay a somewhat inflated price just for the privilege of ownership. If trump is the smartest guy in the room like he portrays. Then dumping profitable casinos would seem like a bad move in terms of profits. Short term at least. Money after all is what the trump brand is all about. he knows WNY couldn't support the huge NFL like ticket price increases that will come with anyone buying the team. new stadium or not. He is blowing smoke, and if he isn't then the Bills future under him will be short lived. He would dump his interests in casinos to become eligible to own an NFL franchise. GO BILLS!!!
DanInUticaTampa Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 With trump it's so really hard to tell just how much money he has. There's no doubt he likes to create the illusion he has the money. But, I believe he mentioned he would dump his casinos to fund a purchase. Anyone buying the team will pay a somewhat inflated price just for the privilege of ownership. If trump is the smartest guy in the room like he portrays. Then dumping profitable casinos would seem like a bad move in terms of profits. Short term at least. Money after all is what the trump brand is all about. he knows WNY couldn't support the huge NFL like ticket price increases that will come with anyone buying the team. new stadium or not. He is blowing smoke, and if he isn't then the Bills future under him will be short lived. He only owns a small portion of those casinos now. He would dump them not to fund buying the bills, but to qualify for ownership. Nobody in the NFL, owners, players, coaches, front office, etc can have a gambleing business, even if it is legal and not football related.
Best Player Available Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 He would dump his interests in casinos to become eligible to own an NFL franchise. GO BILLS!!! He didn't say it like that but it probably would have to happen. he said it as using the casino sales as leverage and cash to fund a purchase. His casinos have payed for a lot of his Other mistakes. One being Real estate, his crown jewel. If even his combover runs the numbers he will find it's not worth dumping the casinos, to keep the Bills in Buffalo long term. Like he claims he would do. He is a money guy with no emotional ties to WNY. he will fail or make it fail to suit his plans. The Atlantic City Bills He only owns a small portion of those casinos now. He would dump them not to fund buying the bills, but to qualify for ownership. Nobody in the NFL, owners, players, coaches, front office, etc can have a gambleing business, even if it is legal and not football related. Eddie D can attest to that
DanInUticaTampa Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 On another note, he wouldn't be an ideal owner to me, but since he said he would keep the team in buffalo, he has my support. Hopefully there is a enough pro buffalo fire power to beat out the canadian groups. If someone makes a good offer and says they would keep the team in buffalo, they really should pay respect to Ralph's legacy and sell the team to them rather than giving the candians any shot.Though it is still their right to get the best offer possible
Mr. WEO Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 He didn't say it like that but it probably would have to happen. he said it as using the casino sales as leverage and cash to fund a purchase. His casinos have payed for a lot of his Other mistakes. One being Real estate, his crown jewel. If even his combover runs the numbers he will find it's not worth dumping the casinos, to keep the Bills in Buffalo long term. Like he claims he would do. He is a money guy with no emotional ties to WNY. he will fail or make it fail to suit his plans. The Atlantic City Bills Eddie D can attest to that As others have pointed out, he owns no casinos. He owns a minority share in the company he sold his last two casinos to. He's just a shareholder and they aren't a significant part of his net worth. He wouldn't be selling those shares to raise money to buy the team.
Bufcomments Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 Trump says he wants the team in Buffalo. What is it a 1-2 hour flight from NYC? And he has the funds? That's enough for me. Now the next hurdle is will he Refurbish the "Ralph" or build a new stadium. That's what somebody in the media should ask him next.
BuffaloRebound Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 Great that he's saying he'd keep team in buffalo, but can't see how this would end well. Doesn't have any attachment to area or anything in common with the fan base. After brief honeymoon stage, could see things go south quickly. Meddling, loudmouth, glitzy owner in a blue collar town.
DanInUticaTampa Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 He didn't say it like that but it probably would have to happen. he said it as using the casino sales as leverage and cash to fund a purchase. His casinos have payed for a lot of his Other mistakes. One being Real estate, his crown jewel. If even his combover runs the numbers he will find it's not worth dumping the casinos, to keep the Bills in Buffalo long term. Like he claims he would do. He is a money guy with no emotional ties to WNY. he will fail or make it fail to suit his plans. The Atlantic City Bills Eddie D can attest to that I don't think you read the interview. He was pretty clear as to why he would sell of his casino shares. From the article: http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/trump-card-billionaire-declares-interest-in-buying-bills-keeping-them-in-buffalo-20140414 The NFL prohibits all personnel – from owners all the way down to the assistant equipment manager – to have any involvement with gambling operations. Trump’s name is on two Atlantic City casinos, the Trump Taj Mahal and the Trump Plaza, but he said he owns only a small stake in those properties anymore.“It’s a public company, and I could sell instantaneously,” Trump said. “So that wouldn’t be a conflict at all. “I did very well with Atlantic City. It was a great experience. When we sold the casinos, they didn’t change the name. But I’m not involved, not on the board.” Not sure how you get that he would be selling casinos to pay for the bills. If that is what you get from the quote, we have very different interpetations.
Mr. WEO Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 Great that he's saying he'd keep team in buffalo, but can't see how this would end well. Doesn't have any attachment to area or anything in common with the fan base. After brief honeymoon stage, could see things go south quickly. Meddling, loudmouth, glitzy owner in a blue collar town. That could also describe the Bills last owner when he purchased the team...
Best Player Available Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 I don't think you read the interview. He was pretty clear as to why he would sell of his casino shares. From the article: http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/trump-card-billionaire-declares-interest-in-buying-bills-keeping-them-in-buffalo-20140414 Not sure how you get that he would be selling casinos to pay for the bills. If that is what you get from the quote, we have very different interpetations. I did not read the articles, I just see the headlines, and the scroll. I mistake a teaser saying he would sell off stuff to buy the team. I should have been clearer that I was aware of the gambling thing. IMO he has to leverage something though. Guys worth a little north of 3 billion don't throw that much cash at an asset? The Eddie d comment is made in jest since gambling caused him the forced sale of his team.
Campy Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 (edited) If Trump owned the Bills we would go from being considered just another small market team like the Bengals, Chiefs and Jags to being considered a unique, small market team with a big market type of clown for an owner. He loves anything New York State Trump and I could see the Donald try to make making Buffalo relevant again an even bigger punchline in the public consciousness. It could be the best worst thing to ever happen to the Bills, especially despite Trump's claims that Jim Kelly gets to chaperone the football side of things is his new BFF. Fixed. If Trump buys the Bills and keeps them in Bflo, that would be better than losing them, but I'm not sure where his new found love of all things WNY and Bflo has been all these years. Call me a cynic, but I wouldn't trust him with my favorite team, if it even gets that far... I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to hear he decided to not run for president run for governor buy the Bills. Edited April 16, 2014 by Campy
bbb Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 Well, you're only 59 posts in, so it's not like you've invested a lot of time or effort. I hear the Seahawks' bandwagon is currently accepting people..... LOL..........Seriously, I wouldn't be able to change my Bills loyalties if Vlad Putin owned the team.
HalftimeAdjustment Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 A couple more thoughts on Trump. First of all, if you look into his background (for example on Wikipedia), he actually lost most of his stake in the casinos and they probably are not that profitable. Gambling in general is experiencing much more competition as multiple states legalize gambling. So I don't doubt he can easily get out of any gambling related involvement. According to what's out there, he gets a lot of his money from licensing his brand (ie "Trump") to real estate developments and other ventures. Nice work if you can get it; someone else does the development and takes most of the risk, and you get free cash for letting them use the name "Trump". So... any time he generates publicity, as long as it is not outrageously negative, he is going to end up increasing his brand value and therefore his future earnings potential. Ridiculous but there you have it. He's already gotten publicity out of this and of course he says he wants to keep the Bills in Buffalo because that portrays him, and the Trump brand, in the best possible light. Not only is that great for his ego, but let's face it... the more times the word "Trump" is said, posted, or written about, he's enhancing his brand. I might as well be working for him by writing this post! So from here... he can do a couple of things: 1) Just drop out of the process after other groups come to light. This is possible and he can easily back out at any point by saying they couldn't make the numbers work. He still wins since he just got free press. 2) Put in a lowball bid and then when someone else buys it, claim they paid too much and he is too smart for that. This is a mixed result, he doesn't take a credibility hit by not following through, but it makes him appear less wealthy and powerful. I don't know if this is likely. 3) Make a serious bid, but lose out intentionally or otherwise. This is a net positive result for Trump, he can easily use the "they paid too much" argument but he gets maximum publicity during the process. 4) Make a serious bid but get rejected by the NFL. This is a BAD scenario for Trump (ego and brand-wise) and back channels will be used to ensure that this will not happen. If the owners are not open to a Trump bid, either #1 or #2 will happen. 5) Make a winning bid. Can't be ruled out and gives him a lot of credibility as a rich guy which he craves. In this scenario, in my opinion, he keeps the bills here through the 7 year period regardless. If NYS etc give him good tax breaks he stays because it is easy, safe money ... otherwise he looks at Toronto, London, or selling to a group in one of those areas. There's nothing IO can see preventing a new owner from holding the team in Buffalo for the duration of the lease agreement, then selling to a non-local group near the end (as long as they do not "intend to relocate during the term of the agreement"). Holding onto the team for 7 years may bring Trump enough "side benefits" in terms of publicity and branding to make any "not profitable enough annually" issues go away.
DC Greg Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 Well, you're only 59 posts in, so it's not like you've invested a lot of time or effort. I hear the Seahawks' bandwagon is currently accepting people..... Message board cat fight! Meow!
Campy Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 Well, you're only 59 posts in, so it's not like you've invested a lot of time or effort. I hear the Seahawks' bandwagon is currently accepting people..... What a burn! He's only posted 59 times on this particular fansite therefore he must not be much of a fan. You really pwned him! /sarcasm
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