3rdand12 Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 Just like Byrd. 6-10 with his 1600 yards. 6-10 when he's hurt. It really doesn't matter. Because Spiller is not the problem , maybe ? How many games a year did they win? See I think the opposite. I think Spiller is gonna think he's worth big money. The Bills won't and he'll leave. He is worth more money. If Bills want a guy who runs between tackles and plays smashmouth he aint the guy.I dont think price is an issue at this point. Can he take the running + game where Marrone wants it to be ? Either they coach to his skill set or they dial up a trade.. In that case Johnson would not be a fit here anyways. I say we are drafting a rb in the 3rd round
YoloinOhio Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 Sal Capaccio @SalSports 8h Here we go again RT @emesola: Yep. Buffalo too. RT @BDiggs7 are GIANTS on deck if Chris Johnson gets out of Jets facility w/out a deal? Interesting... doesn't quite say he is visiting but certainly insinuates it could happen although all other outlets are saying the other teams are unidentified at this point. To me, sounds like his agent is saying there are other teams who want him to visit so that the Jets don't let him leave w/out a deal. I don't think we'll find out and the Jets get it done.
FireChan Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 Because Spiller is not the problem , maybe ? He is worth more money. If Bills want a guy who runs between tackles and plays smashmouth he aint the guy. I dont think price is an issue at this point. Can he take the running + game where Marrone wants it to be ? Either they coach to his skill set or they dial up a trade.. In that case Johnson would not be a fit here anyways. I say we are drafting a rb in the 3rd round No no, you're misunderstood my point. Marrone and co. want a situational back. They think Spill's is that guy. Spiller will want to be paid like a star RB. They could trade Spiller, sign CJ2k to fill his role and all would be well.
3rdand12 Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 No no, you're misunderstood my point. Marrone and co. want a situational back. They think Spill's is that guy. Spiller will want to be paid like a star RB. They could trade Spiller, sign CJ2k to fill his role and all would be well. Well then. How much does CJ2K want to be paid ? And isnt that silly to trade somone who has been in the system for a guy who has not ? The Eagles may have been poking around for Spiller and i can guessfrom reports, Marrone wants him to remain here. But are you suggesting someone very nearly like him might be a better scenario? We have seen what CJ can do. Not last year so much. But the kid has defenses keying on him ?
YoloinOhio Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 (edited) Well then. How much does CJ2K want to be paid ? And isnt that silly to trade somone who has been in the system for a guy who has not ? The Eagles may have been poking around for Spiller and i can guessfrom reports, Marrone wants him to remain here. But are you suggesting someone very nearly like him might be a better scenario? We have seen what CJ can do. Not last year so much. But the kid has defenses keying on him ? Also Spiller is younger. I don't consider them exactly the same. CJ2k is a great 3rd down back, Spiller not really used that way because we have Fred. I think the Bills have no interest in parting ways with Spiller. I do think they may have used him differently last year had he been healthy. Chris Brown posted this today and I think he basically writes what the team wants the public to read. Chris Brown @ChrisBrownBills 1h C.J. picked to have a big bounce back year http://wp.me/plmrg-9YB Edited April 15, 2014 by YoloinOhio
YoloinOhio Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 4m Chris Johnson’s visit with #Jets today went well, from what it sounded like. It’s over now. Nothing final yet, other teams still circling
3rdand12 Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 4m Chris Johnson’s visit with #Jets today went well, from what it sounded like. It’s over now. Nothing final yet, other teams still circling seems like a good fit for the Jets from the outset . I will read CBs thing. thanks Got it . I had read that. Sounds good to me. I do think Marrone and Nate are going to show a rather different hand this year. Not just because they can either : )
jumbalaya Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 (edited) Spiller is gone after this year. Bills looked at Johnson when Eagles asked about Spiller. Bet it was like this: Bills get DeSean Jackson and Eagles 6th pick. Eagles get Spiller. Tenn gets Eagles 6th rd pick, Bills get C. Johnson. Are the Bills better off with M Williams, Spiller (for one year) and no 6th pick (went to Tampa) or D. Jackson and C. Johnson We will lose Spiller next year for sure, just like Byrd. Watch as we will draft a RB in rd 2 or 3. Edited April 16, 2014 by jumbalaya
FireChan Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 Well then. How much does CJ2K want to be paid ? And isnt that silly to trade somone who has been in the system for a guy who has not ? The Eagles may have been poking around for Spiller and i can guessfrom reports, Marrone wants him to remain here. But are you suggesting someone very nearly like him might be a better scenario? We have seen what CJ can do. Not last year so much. But the kid has defenses keying on him ? We have seen what Johnson can do too. And it was 400 yards more than CJ. I just don't see Spiller being here next year unless he sucks again. And then, what's the point?
Alphadawg7 Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 We have seen what Johnson can do too. And it was 400 yards more than CJ. I just don't see Spiller being here next year unless he sucks again. And then, what's the point? Like a decade ago. Only other player to accomplish what Spiller has in his first 4 years is HOF Gale Sayers. Nuff said.
FireChan Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 Like a decade ago. Only other player to accomplish what Spiller has in his first 4 years is HOF Gale Sayers. Nuff said. A decade? Prone to hyperbole are we? And that Sayers fallacy has already been addressed and debunked.
3rdand12 Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 A decade? Prone to hyperbole are we? And that Sayers fallacy has already been addressed and debunked. I did not know it had been debunked I was all about Sayers owning the record for All around yards
Solomon Grundy Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 Spiller is gone after this year. Bills looked at Johnson when Eagles asked about Spiller. Bet it was like this: Bills get DeSean Jackson and Eagles 6th pick. Eagles get Spiller. Tenn gets Eagles 6th rd pick, Bills get C. Johnson. Are the Bills better off with M Williams, Spiller (for one year) and no 6th pick (went to Tampa) or D. Jackson and C. Johnson We will lose Spiller next year for sure, just like Byrd. Watch as we will draft a RB in rd 2 or 3. If Eagles GM gave up 6th pick and Desean Jackson for Spiller, he'd been fired after the trade! If Whaley gave up Desean and 6th pick for Chris Johnson he'd been run out of town!
Alphadawg7 Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 (edited) A decade? Prone to hyperbole are we? And that Sayers fallacy has already been addressed and debunked. So let me understand what you are saying. The factual stats of both players...stats actually recorded and archived by the NFL...have been debunked? I don't follow how one debunks literal stats. Or is it just a case of a Spiller regular basher just stating false opinions about something real being debunked? Please elaborate. And yes, decade comment was a joke to illustrate that CJ2K hasn't been anything like his break out year the last 3 years (a lifetime for an NFL RB). CJ2K: Only avg more than 4 ypc once in last 3 years (4.5 2 years ago) Spiller: His worst year was 4.6 (better than CJ2K's best year). Averaged 5.1, 6 and 4.6. And he STILL averaged 4.6 ypc playing with a high ankle sprain most of the season last year because he was too tough of a player and wanted to play through it rather than sit and heal it. Kid is a warrior and dedicated team player...CJ2K is a diva who thinks he's bigger than the team. Anyone who would want Chris Johnson over Spiller needs their head examined. Spiller is the better player, all around, and its not close. Any interest the Bills have has everything to do with the 2 top RB's being FA's after this season, and I doubt there is even any real interest at all as there has only been rumors, nothing real about their interest. If the Bills thought he was a better fit, they would have entertained trade offers from Philly instead of shutting them down when they called about Spiller. We could have picked of Chris Johnson or drafted a RB. Clearly, they feel Spiller is more valuable than either option. Edited April 16, 2014 by Alphadawg7
FireChan Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 (edited) So let me understand what you are saying. The factual stats of both players...stats actually recorded and archived by the NFL...have been debunked? I don't follow how one debunks literal stats. Or is it just a case of a Spiller regular basher just stating false opinions about something real being debunked? Please elaborate. And yes, decade comment was a joke to illustrate that CJ2K hasn't been anything like his break out year the last 3 years (a lifetime for an NFL RB). CJ2K: Only avg more than 4 ypc once in last 3 years (4.5 2 years ago) Spiller: His worst year was 4.6 (better than CJ2K's best year). Averaged 5.1, 6 and 4.6. And he STILL averaged 4.6 ypc playing with a high ankle sprain most of the season last year because he was too tough of a player and wanted to play through it rather than sit and heal it. Kid is a warrior and dedicated team player...CJ2K is a diva who thinks he's bigger than the team. Anyone who would want Chris Johnson over Spiller needs their head examined. Spiller is the better player, all around, and its not close. Any interest the Bills have has everything to do with the 2 top RB's being FA's after this season, and I doubt there is even any real interest at all as there has only been rumors, nothing real about their interest. If the Bills thought he was a better fit, they would have entertained trade offers from Philly instead of shutting them down when they called about Spiller. We could have picked of Chris Johnson or drafted a RB. Clearly, they feel Spiller is more valuable than either option. The factual stats of both players...stats actually recorded and archived by the NFL...have been debunked? I don't follow how one debunks literal stats. This is how, and it wasn't even from your favorite Spiller "hater." You can twist the numbers to make just about any argument. "Spiller, 26, has 3,021 career rushing yards, 1,070 receiving yards, 1,157 kick return yards and 302 punt-return yards to go along with 18 touchdowns." Sayers through his first 4 seasons (per PFR): 3,834 rushing yards, 1,197 receiving yards, 2,442 kick return yards, and 391 punt return yards to go along with 46 touchdowns. Let's also qualify the raw numbers a bit, and add in games played and yards per whatever. Spiller: 61 games, 5.1 yards/carry, 7.7 yards/catch, 23.1 yards/KR, 12.1 yards/PR Sayers: 50 games, 5.3 yards/carry, 12.7 yards/catch, 31.7 yards/KR, 14.5 yards/PR What we have here is an author using incredibly arbitrary cutoffs (what's special about 1,150 KR yards or 300 PR yards again?) to force an unfair/inaccurate "similarity" between two not-that-similar players. If you just look at players with at least 5,000 all-purpose yards in their first 4 years, Sayers comes in 4th and Spiller 81st. If you require a minimum of 4,000 yards from scrimmage to weed out return specialists, Sayers comes in 3rd and Spiller 46th. Listen, I don't want to give Bill's crusade/jihad too much ammunition here. Spiller is at least a good player, and looked like a great player in 2012. He doesn't have to be Gale Sayers to be worth keeping around. (And that's good, because he's NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE to Gale Sayers.) We don't need to pretend that he and Sayers are in some elite class by themselves to convince ourselves that Spiller is good. It's enough to just look at his 5.1 career yards/carry and breakaway speed, and chalk up last year's struggles to a combination of bereavement and injury. (He looked significantly slower when he came back from the high ankle sprain, and got caught from behind at least a couple times on what would've been TDs in 2012.) And by the way, 46th on that list, while not in any way in Sayers' class, is still pretty good. There's a few flameouts on the list, but it's mostly made up of good players, including (way above Spiller) almost every HOF running back. Anyone who would want Chris Johnson over Spiller needs their head examined. Spiller is the better player, all around, and its not close. Sure he is. I have never argued the contrary. It's close when it's Spiller with a big contract vs CJ2k with a more modest one. Because CJ2k can fill the same role as Spill's. We could have picked of Chris Johnson or drafted a RB. Clearly, they feel Spiller is more valuable than either option. You do realize CJ2k is coming here for a meeting? And Bills reports are saying RB in the 3rd or 4th? I wouldn't count it out just yet. Edited April 16, 2014 by FireChan
Solomon Grundy Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 I still don't understand why posters wouldn't want both CJ and CJ2K on the roster?
YoloinOhio Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 I still don't understand why posters wouldn't want both CJ and CJ2K on the roster? I would, because I don't think they are the same. Fred could get hurt... then who we use on 3rd down? CJ could get hurt... who is our speed RB? He provides depth for both of those situations, as well as a Plan B in case one or both are gone next year in FA/retirement. In the end I think his price tag will be too high for what he brings to the table this year for the Bills and they will go with Dixon and a rookie. But of price wasn't a factor, I'd take him.
SJDK Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 think about it: Fred is 33, CJ is in a contract year. In one season our runningback core could be our biggest problem. Completely agree, we should bring in a high potential running back to groom for next year. We all know that CJ Spiller will have a great year and then we won't bring him back. Chris Johnson is never going to be great again do no on him. I think it's most likely that we draft the best one we can find next season and then lowball Spillers offer. IMO that's how our FO handles these things... Unless...TRUMP! He would accept lower figures on the bottom line to build a championship team.
John from Riverside Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 Unless we plan on keeping Spiller....we really need to get into the mix on this
K-9 Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 Completely agree, we should bring in a high potential running back to groom for next year. We all know that CJ Spiller will have a great year and then we won't bring him back. Chris Johnson is never going to be great again do no on him. I think it's most likely that we draft the best one we can find next season and then lowball Spillers offer. IMO that's how our FO handles these things... Unless...TRUMP! He would accept lower figures on the bottom line to build a championship team. Why aren't we gonna bring CJ back? GO BILLS!!!
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