Happy Days Lois & Clark Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 As bad as Bledsoe looks , Garcia may be worse
ajzepp Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 I don't understand why you would not want a recent Pro Bowl QB, one with cold weather experience, to be our back-up. I'd say we'd be pretty fortunate to have a capable back-up. I think it would be great if Drew could accept the role himself, I just think that's going to be a distraction.
philburger1 Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 Not to start of course But rather to back up JP and be a viable option if JP fails. Browns | Will Garcia Return? - from www.KFFL.com Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:01:15 -0800 ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports the Cleveland Browns are keeping an open mind about the future of QB Jeff Garcia with the team. However, there are not many in the league who believe Garcia will return to the team in 2005. 215020[/snapback] T.O. says " if he looks like a rat, and smells like a rat, he must be a rat". He doesn't look like a rat. Does that make him a rat?
BillsWest Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 No Garcia, please! Even as terrible as the 49ers qb's did this year, there wasn't any "if only we still had Garcia" talk. He was perfect for throwing a two yard slant to a receiver on a five yard slant.
Coach Tuesday Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 Buftex is right. If Garcia goes anywhere, it will be to the Lions, where he's already proven to be successful with the offense they're running. He's not coming here, it's not gonna happen, let's move on.
VABills Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 He sux, he's not a 1st round QB. 215132[/snapback] Good point. We all know you need to be a first round draft pick with your original team to be good. Did you google that to make sure?
Buftex Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 I don't understand why you would not want a recent Pro Bowl QB, one with cold weather experience, to be our back-up. I'd say we'd be pretty fortunate to have a capable back-up. I think it would be great if Drew could accept the role himself, I just think that's going to be a distraction. 215112[/snapback] Hey, sounds like you are talking about Bledsoe! Went to the Pro Bowl just two years ago, holds a number of franchise records for two franchises (for the time being) has played in cold weather his whole professional career. People are really blowing Bledsoe's "this is my team" comment way out of proportion, just like they would have if he had said "I want to compete with JP next season for the starting job next season". He would have been crucuified for being weak! I honestly think when the dust settles on this season, Bledsoe will see that no other team will offer him an uncontested starting spot, no team will pay him what the Bills will pay him (even with a pay cut), and that he will accept the challange of going out an holding off Losmans' challange. Who knows, Bledsoe may elevate his play, with a little internal pressure. I know he was far from perfect in 2004, but even if the stats don't bear it out, Bledsoes' performance was better in 2004 than in 2003. I think at least some of the offensive failures (not all- the Baltimore game was almost entirely on Bledsoe) can be blamed on sub-par performances by the offense all around, for the first 7 weeks of the season. Bledsoe was solid, not spectacular during the streak. If he is willing to take the paycut (helping the team) and accept the challange of Losman, I think he should be welcomed back...I know that won't happen, given the fickle nature of fans. Those who place all of the blame on Bledsoe for the Steelers loss (and ultimately our "wildcard game"), are being a bit short sighted. IMO, that was as much a case of MM being outcoached, as Bledsoe throwing a game away. I am not condemning MM, just saying that he had a case of the "Marty ball syndrome". Bledsoe was as his most effective running the no-huddle, during the streak. In the Pittsburgh game, the Bills went no-huddle once, had a first down, then stalled out due to penalties. It is still sort of inexplicable to me that they never went no huddle at all in the second half of the game. They won those games by being ballsy and aggressive. They lost to Pittsburgh, by being balless, and, the cardnal sin, "playing not to lose." Mike Mularkey, IMO, is a major step up over Gregg Williams, as head coach. While I blame the coaching staff a bit for that last loss, I know they will learn from it. I think our future as Bills fans is looking pretty happy, and I think that we could do far worse than having Drew Bledsoe on our roster again in 2005. To read some of the posts here, you would think that JP Losman had already proven himself, and that Shane Matthews was the second comig of Kurt Warner (circa 1999-2001).
ajzepp Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 Hey, sounds like you are talking about Bledsoe! Went to the Pro Bowl just two years ago, holds a number of franchise records for two franchises (for the time being) has played in cold weather his whole professional career. People are really blowing Bledsoe's "this is my team" comment way out of proportion, just like they would have if he had said "I want to compete with JP next season for the starting job next season". He would have been crucuified for being weak! I honestly think when the dust settles on this season, Bledsoe will see that no other team will offer him an uncontested starting spot, no team will pay him what the Bills will pay him (even with a pay cut), and that he will accept the challange of going out an holding off Losmans' challange. Who knows, Bledsoe may elevate his play, with a little internal pressure. I know he was far from perfect in 2004, but even if the stats don't bear it out, Bledsoes' performance was better in 2004 than in 2003. I think at least some of the offensive failures (not all- the Baltimore game was almost entirely on Bledsoe) can be blamed on sub-par performances by the offense all around, for the first 7 weeks of the season. Bledsoe was solid, not spectacular during the streak. If he is willing to take the paycut (helping the team) and accept the challange of Losman, I think he should be welcomed back...I know that won't happen, given the fickle nature of fans. Those who place all of the blame on Bledsoe for the Steelers loss (and ultimately our "wildcard game"), are being a bit short sighted. IMO, that was as much a case of MM being outcoached, as Bledsoe throwing a game away. I am not condemning MM, just saying that he had a case of the "Marty ball syndrome". Bledsoe was as his most effective running the no-huddle, during the streak. In the Pittsburgh game, the Bills went no-huddle once, had a first down, then stalled out due to penalties. It is still sort of inexplicable to me that they never went no huddle at all in the second half of the game. They won those games by being ballsy and aggressive. They lost to Pittsburgh, by being balless, and, the cardnal sin, "playing not to lose." Mike Mularkey, IMO, is a major step up over Gregg Williams, as head coach. While I blame the coaching staff a bit for that last loss, I know they will learn from it. I think our future as Bills fans is looking pretty happy, and I think that we could do far worse than having Drew Bledsoe on our roster again in 2005. To read some of the posts here, you would think that JP Losman had already proven himself, and that Shane Matthews was the second comig of Kurt Warner (circa 1999-2001). 215146[/snapback] Well, a lot of your points are rehashing the Bledsoe vs. Losman debate, so I don't want to get all involved in that again or I'll have LA and DC Tom posting behind me again criticizing me for my role in the anti-Bledsoe crusade lol. I know those of you who want Bledsoe to either start next year or compete to start next year are having a hard time with the way the tide appears to be turning......we've only just ended the season and already there is evidence that JP is going to be given the keys to Uncle Ralph's car. Not only do I think the writing is already on the wall that Drew will not be the starter next year, I don't think there will even be an open competition for the job. I think it's JP's chance to sink or swim. Anyway, I knew someone was going to say "hey, Garcia sounds just like Drew!", which is why I said I'd love Drew to be the backup if not for the fact that he'd likely be a distraction. He's only 32. There's no reason he can't continue to play at the same level he's playing at now (i.e. a marginal starting QB) for another 3-5 years. Given this fact, I really don't see him being comfortable in any role other than what he's always been - a starter. Do you really think he wants JP to succeed? Why would he want to see JP take this team further than he could himself? He'll feel like an idiot......I know I would! If he has any competitive fire within him at all - and I believe he does - he would not want to be here as the back up. I think we need a veteran behind JP who will sleep better when JP is playing well.....not when he's playing poorly.
Buftex Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 Well, a lot of your points are rehashing the Bledsoe vs. Losman debate, so I don't want to get all involved in that again or I'll have LA and DC Tom posting behind me again criticizing me for my role in the anti-Bledsoe crusade lol. I know those of you who want Bledsoe to either start next year or compete to start next year are having a hard time with the way the tide appears to be turning......we've only just ended the season and already there is evidence that JP is going to be given the keys to Uncle Ralph's car. Not only do I think the writing is already on the wall that Drew will not be the starter next year, I don't think there will even be an open competition for the job. I think it's JP's chance to sink or swim. Anyway, I knew someone was going to say "hey, Garcia sounds just like Drew!", which is why I said I'd love Drew to be the backup if not for the fact that he'd likely be a distraction. He's only 32. There's no reason he can't continue to play at the same level he's playing at now (i.e. a marginal starting QB) for another 3-5 years. Given this fact, I really don't see him being comfortable in any role other than what he's always been - a starter. Do you really think he wants JP to succeed? Why would he want to see JP take this team further than he could himself? He'll feel like an idiot......I know I would! If he has any competitive fire within him at all - and I believe he does - he would not want to be here as the back up. I think we need a veteran behind JP who will sleep better when JP is playing well.....not when he's playing poorly. 215159[/snapback] Actually, I am not doing a Bledsoe vs Losman argument at all. I know, you know, Jp and Drew know, that Losman will be given the chance to win the starting job sooner than later. My point is, there is no other team that is going to make Bledsoe their number 1 guy, without having to compete with someone as the starter. He will be in the same boat no matter where he goes, so he would be better off staying where he is, and I think, he, Losman and the Bills will be better for it. It just seems that the prevailing attitude amongst anti-Bledsoe crusaders (and I am not saying you are one) seems to be that A) any QB that another team doesn't want, would be better than Bledsoe, and that B) any name QB who is a free agent is going to want to come to Buffalo, and play behind Losman. There are more QB's than there are starting QB jobs. Bledsoe, I think, will realize this. He might have to ask himself "Hmm, am I better off in an offense that I have been playing in for the last season, on a team on the upswing, where I will have to fight to win my job, or, should I reunite with Keven Gilbride in NY and back-up Eli Manning, you know, the job Kurt Warner didn't want?" I also think you, and many others, dismiss Bledsoe's greatest attribute. He is a team player. I am sure he will fight like hell to win the job from the kid, but should he lose it, he is not the type of player who will make himself a distraction. I don't know, I just can't see where having Drew Bledsoe on the roster next year (again, assumimg he will take a pay cut) is detrimental to the Bills. If Losman were to be injured (and you have to be at least a little concerned about that, he has been hurt in college, and in the pros), I would feel a lot more comfortable with Bledsoe coming off the bench, than Shane Matthews or Kurt Warner, or all of these other names being thrown about. Guys like Garcia (likely playing for his last team), Kitna and Brees (likely the best QB's that could be had) would not want to play in Buffalo. Garcia will end up staying in Clevland, or in Detroit, and both Brees and Kitna view themselves as starters. I predict Kitna ends up in Arizona, and Brees will be franchised. He will then stay in San Diego, or be traded for much more than the Bills could/should/would give up for him. The Bills are building a very good team, Bledsoe could still play a role, either as a starter, or back-up...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 His girlfireind is pretty hot, anyway. Maybe she has some friends? PTR
ajzepp Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 215159[/snapback] Actually, I am not doing a Bledsoe vs Losman argument at all. I know, you know, Jp and Drew know, that Losman will be given the chance to win the starting job sooner than later. My point is, there is no other team that is going to make Bledsoe their number 1 guy, without having to compete with someone as the starter. He will be in the same boat no matter where he goes, so he would be better off staying where he is, and I think, he, Losman and the Bills will be better for it. It just seems that the prevailing attitude amongst anti-Bledsoe crusaders (and I am not saying you are one) seems to be that A) any QB that another team doesn't want, would be better than Bledsoe, and that B) any name QB who is a free agent is going to want to come to Buffalo, and play behind Losman. There are more QB's than there are starting QB jobs. Bledsoe, I think, will realize this. He might have to ask himself "Hmm, am I better off in an offense that I have been playing in for the last season, on a team on the upswing, where I will have to fight to win my job, or, should I reunite with Keven Gilbride in NY and back-up Eli Manning, you know, the job Kurt Warner didn't want?" I also think you, and many others, dismiss Bledsoe's greatest attribute. He is a team player. I am sure he will fight like hell to win the job from the kid, but should he lose it, he is not the type of player who will make himself a distraction. I don't know, I just can't see where having Drew Bledsoe on the roster next year (again, assumimg he will take a pay cut) is detrimental to the Bills. 215322[/snapback] Well if Drew can be the 'team player' you say he can be, then I think it would be great to keep him as the back-up to start the year. Drew knows the system and he could easily come in and pick up wherever JP left off. But think about Drew's situation......in 2001 he led the team to an 0-2 mark, only to watch Brady come off the bench to win the friggin Super Bowl.......Fast forward to 2005. Now, after failing to take the Bills anywhere in three years, what is that going to do to his psyche if JP starts leading the team to wins? What does that say about Bledsoe, to have not just one, but TWO first time starters lead a team better than he has? I dunno......I'm just not sure I'd want the guy on our team if and when that happens.
EndZoneCrew Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 let me think about that....unless he accepts the vet minimum...I say no
ajzepp Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 let me think about that....unless he accepts the vet minimum...I say no 215346[/snapback] lol......the vet minimum??
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