Kellyto83TD Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Well no matter how much kool aid the fans drink, Stevie is a pure #2 WR and we lack true #1 Until Woods gets up to speed. I assure you more teams fear Jackson than Stevie
PO'14 Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Well no matter how much kool aid the fans drink, Stevie is a pure #2 WR and we lack true #1 Until Woods gets up to speed. I assure you more teams fear Jackson than Stevie careful, Mr.Rags and Dog Biscuit might read this the wrong way.
mrags Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 True. IT's hilarious how people put down our own players. Stevie had a much better 3 year stretch than Jackso nhas ever had in the NFL. This year Stevie was hurt and played with 3 1st year QBs. Jackson had Foles who was absolutely on fire. Jackson's a good player but he is pretty one dimensional. And it's funny how that guy gets on Stevie for not being clutch when Jackson does incredibly dumb things (dropping the ball, getting taunting penalties after big plays). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CObHcUf_Hsk Dude is a straight up moron. dont go bringing logic into your arguments here. The people with axes to grind certainly can't be spoke to in that way. Of course they are always right. Regardless of my opinion of Stevie or DJax. I personally think DJax is a good Reciever. He is not what we need right now as we have too many receivers that are under 6'4" that can run fast. But that doesn't take away from what he does well and that's get open deep. I wouldn't hate it if we picked him up. I think he helps this team regardless. But to say that we should cut another good Reciever just because we picked him up is stupid. It's one step forward, and one step back. Essentially it's just trading a Reciever for a Reciever. If we have Stevie under contract, just keep them both. And that I'd be fine with. But others want to turn this into a different story altogether. So for the record, I think what Jackson does, he does it well. I personally don't like him and believe he's a gang thug POS. If the Bills happen to sign him, I think it should've for a 1-2 year deal that's for not a whole lot of money and incentive driven with stipulations about getting into trouble off and in the field. If we did sign him, I'm not going to hope he doesn't score us TDs but I will still think he's a POS while he does it. But I certainly don't want to cut Stevie just because we picked him up. That's a pointless move IMO.
NoSaint Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 (edited) True. IT's hilarious how people put down our own players. Stevie had a much better 3 year stretch than Jackso nhas ever had in the NFL. is it possible to argue that jacksons better without putting down stevie? and i take some issue with the second half of the statement i quoted, as i simply dont think its true and that you are twisting stats. you can select ANY 3 year stretch in jacksons career, and only 1 of those runs doesnt have more yards than stevies BEST 3 consecutive seasons, every single season desean has played he has had more YPC than stevies best season --- i find it hard to argue that stevies 3 years are MUCH better than any stretch jacksons had Stevies best 3 years: 3123 yards at 13.1 ypc and 23 total tds Deseans best 3: 3173 receiving yards at 19 ypc, 781 punt return yards, 282 rushing yards, 24 total tds Edited March 31, 2014 by NoSaint
FluffHead Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 @evansilva: Per Ed Werder on SportsCenter, two teams that have "yet to be identified" are "in deep negotiations" with free agent DeSean Jackson.
YoloinOhio Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 (edited) @evansilva: Per Ed Werder on SportsCenter, two teams that have "yet to be identified" are "in deep negotiations" with free agent DeSean Jackson. Better not be Pats Anyway I was wondering if the Browns are one of those teams. They could really, really use him and have the cashola to outbid. Edited March 31, 2014 by YoloinOhio
mrags Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 careful, Mr.Rags and Dog Biscuit might read this the wrong way. you keep saying my name wrong. If you keep bringing my name Into conversations, at less get it right.
NoSaint Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 (edited) you keep saying my name wrong. If you keep bringing my name Into conversations, at less get it right. its Mr Ag's, as in the man belonging to Mr Agriculture, jboyst (not that theres anything wrong with that). youd think after you vouched for JBs perfection, hed understand the situation better. Edited March 31, 2014 by NoSaint
YoloinOhio Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Grantland @Grantland33 5m DeSean Jackson FAQ: What the Eagles were thinking and where we go from here, by @BillBarnwell http://es.pn/PcHiDQ
John from Riverside Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Why dont we just keep Stevie......sign D Jackson....and let go of that scrub TJ Graham?
mrags Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Why dont we just keep Stevie......sign D Jackson....and let go of that scrub TJ Graham? theres logic. Hello again. Glad to see you come back to us.
YoloinOhio Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 (edited) Why dont we just keep Stevie......sign D Jackson....and let go of that scrub TJ Graham? On talent that is the easy decision... as DJ and TJ are more similar in terms of size/speed/style. But the reason people are saying we can't have both Stevie and DJ, is the contracts that come with each. If it was just roster spots, there is no real debate. Edited March 31, 2014 by YoloinOhio
mrags Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 On talent that is the easy decision... as DJ and TJ are more similar in terms of size/speed/style. But the reason people are saying we can't have both Stevie and DJ, is the contracts that come with each. If it was just roster spots, there is no real debate. stevie I under contract anyway and cutting him now doesn't save us any money. It costs us money to cut him now. And we don't have any questions about being under the cap. So why not keep them both?
NoSaint Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 On talent that is the easy decision... as DJ and TJ are more similar in terms of size/speed/style. But the reason people are saying we can't have both Stevie and DJ, is the contracts that come with each. If it was just roster spots, there is no real debate. if it were just cap, thered really be no reason for debate either - its whether you will see the highest levels out of desean, or he will be a pain the entire way
mrags Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 if it were just cap, thered really be no reason for debate either - its whether you will see the highest levels out of desean, or he will be a pain the entire way imo he will be a pain the entire way but that won't stop me from singing the shout song at the stadium on Sundays if he scores a TD. Doesn't mean I have to like him tho.
YoloinOhio Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 (edited) stevie I under contract anyway and cutting him now doesn't save us any money. It costs us money to cut him now. And we don't have any questions about being under the cap. So why not keep them both? I do think we should keep both... at least until we can't. But I was responding to why the debate was between SJ and DJ and not TJ and DJ. The money is why the debate has come up as to which one to keep. It is a lot of money to tie up in the WR position. But again, IMO of the cap allows it, we are able to extend others we want to keep, and their performances warrant it, then I would advocate keeping both.... as long as they still draft Evans or someone like him. I also didn't bring up cutting him now, regardless. It was about next year - seeing how they both play - and then making a decision IF we can't keep both (the contract details for both would be the factors). Again, I would hope we could. Edited March 31, 2014 by YoloinOhio
Maury Ballstein Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Don't do it! It'll be T.O 2!! the other thing that obviously is a worry about getting him "on the cheap" as some posters think will happen... is that hes openly said that hes let low pay effect his play on the field. hes EXTREMELY talented, but he does come with a laundry list of concerns. I'd sacrifice my first born for a young T.O. T.O. was freaking awesome. Yea Desean is a scary player to commit to. Seems like a grade a douche. Curtiba maybe you can start your own cut Stevie thread ? Its getting pretty juvenile. This is the desean thread FTR.
NoSaint Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 I do think we should keep both... at least until we can't. But I was responding to why the debate was between SJ and DJ and not TJ and DJ. The money is why the debate has come up as to which one to keep. It is a lot of money to tie up in the WR position. But again, IMO of the cap allows it, we are able to extend others we want to keep, and their performances warrant it, then I would advocate keeping both.... as long as they still draft Evans or someone like him. I also didn't bring up cutting him now, regardless. It was about next year - seeing how they both play - and then making a decision IF we can't keep both (the contract details for both would be the factors). Again, I would hope we could. as i said earlier, we dont have a terrible amount tied up in WR, really. we have stevie, and 5 midround rookie contracts. and stevie isnt even THAT well paid among vet receivers. coupled with our cheap TEs... we have spent next to nothing on receiving threats. (and thats ignoring how little we spend on the guys getting them the ball)
mrags Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Curtiba maybe you can start your own cut Stevie thread ? Its getting pretty juvenile. This is the desean thread FTR. why would he do that when he can destroy everyone else's threads by bringing it up every 4 posts.
YoloinOhio Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 as i said earlier, we dont have a terrible amount tied up in WR, really. we have stevie, and 5 midround rookie contracts. and stevie isnt even THAT well paid among vet receivers. coupled with our cheap TEs... we have spent next to nothing on receiving threats. (and thats ignoring how little we spend on the guys getting them the ball) Yep, I am far from a contract guru, I actually just heard Joe B say that on WGR, that Stevie's contract next year makes a huge leap on the cap. He must not be right - but regardless I agree with you that it seems we should be able to pay two guys what with the rest of them being on rookie deals. I also was thinking Jackson's contract could be a 1-year deal potentially (now with more suitors lining up that might not be as realistic if they want to get him) and if that was the case it makes even more sense. But, I don't know what the Bills will think about that.
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