voodoo poonani Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 ATL in the NFC and Jax in the AFC are the only teams who have the ability to use those tests at this time. They have exclusive rights to it for the next 2 years. Falcons used it on 100 players. http://www.thefalcoh...e-plate-testing If you're only allowed 30 visitors at your facility, how can you test 100 players?
YoloinOhio Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 (edited) If you're only allowed 30 visitors at your facility, how can you test 100 players? Only allowed 30 "non-local" players. However, 70 ATL-area players seems high. Maybe they did it at the pro days? Edited May 5, 2014 by YoloinOhio
SBUffalo Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 The best player in this year's draft only had 3.5 sacks last year. If this is the case I would trade all of this year's picks for picks in future drafts. People really cling to stats around here. Watch the film. He was double and sometimes triple teamed. Effort was low at many points, but nobody can play at the level he does sometimes on EVERY play. If they did they would be useless in crunch time. He doesn't get a huge contract right away, so he'll work his ass off to get there and beyond.
bbb Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 I'm hoping there's only 30 teams in such a scenario...Buffalo should NOT be talking about trading UP, let alone to #1, at ALL!!! For any reason! Now, EJ fails to progress in 2014 or just doesn't show he has "it" to win, then I'm ALLLLLLL in for selling and trading everything in sight to get to #1 overall next year so the BILLS can finally put a Franchise QB behind center, IF the man known as EJ Manuel does not demonstrate the capacity to be their Franchise QB in 2014...but if that's the case, I think we'll be having this conversation next year with the BILLS at or near the top of the Draft....ughh! I endorse this post 100%............The Bills HAVE to be thinking this way, I hope.
auburnbillsbacker Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 (edited) People really cling to stats around here. Watch the film. He was double and sometimes triple teamed. Effort was low at many points, but nobody can play at the level he does sometimes on EVERY play. If they did they would be useless in crunch time. He doesn't get a huge contract right away, so he'll work his ass off to get there and beyond. I think the 3.5 sacks is a meaningful stat. I watched Bruce Smith get doubled and tripled blocked for years, and he still got to the QB consistently. I wouldn't take Clowney with the 9th overall pick, let alone the first. As for the contract, he will make millions as a top 3 pick. I think it is probable that his effort will called into question. I think a first round pick needs to have great measurable and productive play. That is not the case with Clowney. I believe the Bills will end up with a better player at 9 than the team that takes Clowney. Edited May 5, 2014 by auburnbillsbacker
KOKBILLS Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 I think the 3.5 sacks is a meaningful stat. I watched Bruce Smith get doubled and tripled blocked for years, and he still got to the QB consistently. I wouldn't take Clowney with the 9th overall pick, let alone the first. As for the contract, he will make millions as a top 3 pick. I think it is probable that his effort will called into question. I think a first round pick needs to have great measurable and productive play. That is not the case with Clowney. I believe the Bills will end up with a better player at 9 than the team that takes Clowney. Completely agree...I agree with your point on Bruce and I'll add Reggie White and LT as well...White had 15 sacks in his Sr year at Tennessee...LT had 16 in his final year at UNC...Game-planning for elite talent is not something new that just came around a few years ago...It's been around for a while...No one should need to make excuses for a player who is truly great... Clowney is a great athlete...An elite athlete...He's not yet an elite football player...Mayock said today he may be the best pure athlete ever...like...ever, ever...at the DE position...But this notion that all you have to do is put on the tape to see how special he is...I could not possibly disagree with that more...I have put on the tape...I've seen a ton of Clowney...Probably more that any other player in this Draft...I've seen him live, watched tape on him, and followed his career from the day he showed up at Columbia while I lived two hours north in Charlotte...Clowney is exactly the player his Jr and Sr stats showed...He's a guy with amazing, super-hero-like, ability who can make great, game changing plays, and at the same time completely disappear for stretches of games...And sometimes for entire games...He is not a naturally instinctive player...Or...He is, but he just does not care enough...His work ethic is constantly in question...This is not anything new...He consistently flashes into the backfield only to come up with a just-miss...He's just not anywhere near the football player his hype would have you believe yet...Can he get there? Definitely he can...Some players grow up fast when they get to the NFL and it becomes a job...And then again some don't... I would never bet against a player like Clowney because his natural ability is literally off-the-charts...But the red flags are there with him as well...And anyone who just assumes he's going to put in the work necessary to be as great as his hype would predict is taking a major, major leap of faith...
bbb Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 I saw him dog it on a "crunch time" play vs. I think Mizzou. It was a make or break play for the whole ballgame - I think going for a 2. He got blocked and instead of getting up and chasing again, he just laid there and watched the rest of the play.............It was the same week that Mario got back up and hurried Tannehill on a Hail Mary just enough to throw him off. I said this to people and was told "when Clowney gets paid as much as Mario" then he'll do that.............I don't know about that.
snamsnoops Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 You can question his effort last year, and justifiably so...if you watch his games from 2012, there's no doubt at all: when he felt like playing, he was absolutely unblockable. Was it the Bama game last year, there was some words from the O-lineman of Bama that Clowney took offense to and destroyed the entire line!
Kirby Jackson Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 (edited) More trade up rumblings: https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/463646626532560897 Edited May 6, 2014 by Kirby Jackson
Wayne Cubed Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 (edited) More trade up rumblings: https://twitter.com/...646626532560897 Links not working.... here's the tweet? Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 5m 2 teams that had conversations about moving into the Top 5 the last few days: The #Lions & #Bills. As of now 1 exec said they want a bargain EDIT: It's good to know they are looking for a bargain, that will appease some people. Edited May 6, 2014 by Wayne Cubed
Kirby Jackson Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 Links not working.... here's the tweet? Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 5m 2 teams that had conversations about moving into the Top 5 the last few days: The #Lions & #Bills. As of now 1 exec said they want a bargain EDIT: It's good to know they are looking for a bargain, that will appease some people. Thanks!!
YoloinOhio Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 Links not working.... here's the tweet? Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 5m 2 teams that had conversations about moving into the Top 5 the last few days: The #Lions & #Bills. As of now 1 exec said they want a bargain EDIT: It's good to know they are looking for a bargain, that will appease some people. Doug is cheap!
FluffHead Posted May 6, 2014 Author Posted May 6, 2014 You have it all wrong. It's the trust that is cheap.
BringBackFergy Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 You have it all wrong. It's the trust that is cheap. Is Koshinski a Trustee??
FluffHead Posted May 6, 2014 Author Posted May 6, 2014 Is Koshinski a Trustee?? I know all the details of the trust. In the spirit of koshinski I'm not telling.
bladiebla Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 Heh if we do this we'll end up taking Clowney who will then turn into a bust (by stadiumwall standards) whilst Mack will be the all pro that we could have but didnt get...
FluffHead Posted May 7, 2014 Author Posted May 7, 2014 This guy Bill drives a hard bargain. ProFootballTalkVerified account@ProFootballTalk 5m Bill making calls about a trade to No. 1 or No. 2 http://wp.me/p14QSB-9tvA
YoloinOhio Posted May 7, 2014 Posted May 7, 2014 It appears Whaley got my Draft-Eve text. It was simple. YOLO.
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