TakeYouToTasker Posted March 21, 2014 Posted March 21, 2014 On 3/21/2014 at 7:13 PM, 3rdnlng said: I would say that there is a causation between mental problems and suicide. You would be wrong. First of all, you haven't defined mental problems; and that's not even the argument you were making. You made an argument that mental problems were the singular cause of suicide; which is patently false. Quote Can there be exceptions? I suppose so. You suppose that there can be exceptions? You haven't even demonstrated causation yet. Start there, then build your hypothesis; not the other way around. Quote I would also say that there is a correlation between transgenders and mental problems. ... Data???? Quote While transgenderism didn't cause the suicide the mental problems that caused the transgenderism was the causation of the suicide. ... So... ... So now you've expanded on your gut feelings... with no data to back them... and have catagorized transgenderism as a disease? On what authority? Quote I have shown that 40% of transgenders have attempted suicide. No you haven't. You source is in no way affirmative. Quote An even higher percentage have mental problems. Again, data??? You've yet to demonstrate that suicide's primary root cause is "mental problems", further, you've yet to define what "metal problems" are. At this point any reasonable reader can only believe you to have come up with a solution, and then invented a problem to suit it. Your whole approach to this has been backwards. Quote I don't think we should expect the average serviceman to go into combat with someone who has a good chance of having mental problems. Again, show causation, define mental problems, and quit assigning group identities to individuals.
GG Posted March 21, 2014 Posted March 21, 2014 On 3/21/2014 at 7:56 PM, 3rdnlng said: Where do you house Private Klinger who still has his dick but identifies as a woman? There have been many more sexual assault complaints over the last few years. Assaults against males are more common place than against females. Somehow I doubt that. Private Klinger will sleep wherever his commanding officer tells him to sleep.
3rdnlng Posted March 21, 2014 Author Posted March 21, 2014 http://depts.washington.edu/mhreport/facts_suicide.php "The great majority of people who experience a mental illness do not die by suicide. However, of those who die from suicide, more than 90 percent have a diagnosable mental disorder." On 3/21/2014 at 8:10 PM, GG said: Somehow I doubt that. Private Klinger will sleep wherever his commanding officer tells him to sleep. The OP has a link to an article that you might want to read.
GG Posted March 21, 2014 Posted March 21, 2014 I take it you didn't follow through on the findings to see what's behind the number? Quote Aarin Belkin, who heads The Palm Center, which studies gays and lesbians in the military, said “very few” male-on-male perpetrators are gay, saying such incidents are “somewhat similar to prison rape.” “It is important to try as hard as possible to eliminate sexual assaults from the military, but I don’t think that procedural reforms will do much to lower the incidence rate unless military culture changes dramatically,” said Mr. Belkin, whose 2012 book “Bring Me Men,” included a case study on male-on-male rape in the military.
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 21, 2014 Posted March 21, 2014 On 3/21/2014 at 10:01 PM, GG said: I take it you didn't follow through on the findings to see what's behind the number? And, as I stated up-thread, this isn't a new problem. The difference is that victims are now willing to come forward without fear of being discharged.
Jim in Anchorage Posted March 21, 2014 Posted March 21, 2014 On 3/21/2014 at 10:09 PM, TakeYouToTasker said: And, as I stated up-thread, this isn't a new problem. The difference is that victims are now willing to come forward without fear of being discharged. And how would the victim of a homosexual rape be discharged? For wearing seductive clothing?
DC Tom Posted March 21, 2014 Posted March 21, 2014 On 3/21/2014 at 7:45 PM, GG said: But are the mental problems caused by being LGTB or the other way around? THAT is open for debate. By current thinking, the former.
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 On 3/21/2014 at 10:38 PM, Jim in Anchorage said: And how would the victim of a homosexual rape be discharged? For wearing seductive clothing? ... So you believe that homosexuals joined the Army, en masse, and began a rape crusade?
Jim in Anchorage Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 On 3/22/2014 at 12:11 AM, TakeYouToTasker said: ... So you believe that homosexuals joined the Army, en masse, and began a rape crusade? How is that a answer to my question?
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 (edited) On 3/22/2014 at 12:25 AM, Jim in Anchorage said: How is that a answer to my question? Your question was used as a medium to reassertion your premise. I've skipped a step to save us time. See my above posts about the reason for the increase in reported sex assaults. The only refutation of what I've posited, is what I've asked you in my last post. Edited March 22, 2014 by TakeYouToTasker
Jim in Anchorage Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 On 3/22/2014 at 12:50 AM, TakeYouToTasker said: Your question was used as a medium to reassertion your premise. I've skipped a step to save us time. See my above posts about the reason for the increase in reported sex assaults. The only refutation of what I've posited, is what I've asked you in my last post. so we all must accept increased reporting as the cause of the higher rape numbers as fact? No real increase, just more reporting? Says who?
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 On 3/22/2014 at 12:58 AM, Jim in Anchorage said: so we all must accept increased reporting as the cause of the higher rape numbers as fact? No real increase, just more reporting? Says who? Again: So you believe that homosexuals joined the Army, en masse, and began a rape crusade?
Jim in Anchorage Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 On 3/22/2014 at 1:08 AM, TakeYouToTasker said: Again: So you believe that homosexuals joined the Army, en masse, and began a rape crusade? Ah liberal exaggerations. En masse. rape crusade. Perfect. Do you really find it hard to believe that homosexual rape went up when the number of homosexuals increased?
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 (edited) On 3/22/2014 at 4:34 AM, Jim in Anchorage said: Ah liberal exaggerations. En masse. rape crusade. Perfect. Do you really find it hard to believe that homosexual rape went up when the number of homosexuals increased? ... You haven't read anything posted here... Read, you !@#$ing retard. Given the massive increase in reporting of male on male rape, one of two senarios is possible. 1) huge masses of homosexuals joined the military and immediately set themselves to rape. 2) the rape problem already existed, and a change in the law made reporting those rapes easier on the victims Choose. Edited March 22, 2014 by TakeYouToTasker
Jim in Anchorage Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 " you !@#$ing retard." OK Gregg you win.
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 On 3/22/2014 at 5:31 AM, Jim in Anchorage said: " you !@#$ing retard." OK Gregg you win. In this thread, I'll take that as an easy compliment. Choose.
Jim in Anchorage Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 (edited) On 3/22/2014 at 5:41 AM, TakeYouToTasker said: In this thread, I'll take that as an easy compliment. Choose. Well there you go. Romney put his dog on the car. Case closed. You know you are not as brilliant or insightful as you think. You go the personal insult angle and present your opinion as facts. Edited March 22, 2014 by Jim in Anchorage
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 On 3/22/2014 at 5:48 AM, Jim in Anchorage said: Well there you go. Romney put his dog on the car. C I've presented you with a choice. Choose or volunteer an additional possibility. I'm waiting.
Jim in Anchorage Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 On 3/22/2014 at 5:54 AM, TakeYouToTasker said: I've presented you with a choice. Choose or volunteer an additional possibility. I'm waiting. I think I did that. You choose not to answer.
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 On 3/22/2014 at 6:00 AM, Jim in Anchorage said: I think I did that. You choose not to answer. No, liar. You haven't. Try now: Given the massive increase in reporting of male on male rape, one of two senarios is possible. 1) huge masses of homosexuals joined the military and immediately set themselves to rape. 2) the rape problem already existed, and a change in the law made reporting those rapes easier on the victims
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