T master Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 Why can't the Bills have this kind of foresight to see when a player truly helps a team be better go out & keep the player or players that do just that ? Why can't they start their negotiations on contract extensions a year or more before the players contract is up in order to keep the good players around ? Such as in the Byrd, Levetrie, Greer, Poz, & others situations . There will be more of these type of defections in the near future for the Bills too as long as they are not aggressive in trying to keep the guys we have . The article below shows what happens to a team when it sees a guy that helps & they keep him dispute a injury , & this guy could have still been in a Bills uni & we wouldn't have had the trouble with our O line as we did last season , BUT NOOOOO !! Now he is staying where the grass is definitely greener & helping this team to stay a play off contender ... And i just bet we could all think of others such as this that could have been kept to help the cause ... http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10583134/chad-rinehart-agrees-2-year-deal-return-san-diego-chargers
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 Yes San Diego is the gold standard of nfl success stories.
PO'14 Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 GOOD ARTICLE, BUT IMO There are not too many Bills that have become stars elsewhere.
Chi-town Bills Fan Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 Have you thought about the fact that the Bills FO might realize that Byrd really isn't a key to our defense. Our defense was growing but still solid when we didnt have Byrd. I think we can find someone to fill his "centerfield" roll more easily then people think, mainly because of our front 7. I'm a huge Byrd fan and want him back but i think he can be replaced.
klos63 Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 (edited) Why can't the Bills have this kind of foresight to see when a player truly helps a team be better go out & keep the player or players that do just that ? Why can't they start their negotiations on contract extensions a year or more before the players contract is up in order to keep the good players around ? Such as in the Byrd, Levetrie, Greer, Poz, & others situations . There will be more of these type of defections in the near future for the Bills too as long as they are not aggressive in trying to keep the guys we have . The article below shows what happens to a team when it sees a guy that helps & they keep him dispute a injury , & this guy could have still been in a Bills uni & we wouldn't have had the trouble with our O line as we did last season , BUT NOOOOO !! Now he is staying where the grass is definitely greener & helping this team to stay a play off contender ... And i just bet we could all think of others such as this that could have been kept to help the cause ... http://espn.go.com/n...-diego-chargers I'm sure there are good reasons why they don't. If that's truly the case. Obviously, they just signed Aaron Williams to an extension. You need two to tango and some players like Levitre, Byrd... might want to test free agency to see if they can get more money. Also, many of these players probably wouldn't mind playing somewhere other than Buffalo. I think a lot of fans think that this is a way to save money by signing them early but I can't imagine agents would still not try to maximize the players value. Look what Williams got, hardly a bargain for the Bills. Why can't the Bills have this kind of foresight to see when a player truly helps a team be better go out & keep the player or players that do just that ? Why can't they start their negotiations on contract extensions a year or more before the players contract is up in order to keep the good players around ? Such as in the Byrd, Levetrie, Greer, Poz, & others situations . There will be more of these type of defections in the near future for the Bills too as long as they are not aggressive in trying to keep the guys we have . The article below shows what happens to a team when it sees a guy that helps & they keep him dispute a injury , & this guy could have still been in a Bills uni & we wouldn't have had the trouble with our O line as we did last season , BUT NOOOOO !! Now he is staying where the grass is definitely greener & helping this team to stay a play off contender ... And i just bet we could all think of others such as this that could have been kept to help the cause ... http://espn.go.com/n...-diego-chargers he had already returned from his injury and finished the season healthy. So not really a risk on San Diego's part. Edited March 10, 2014 by klos63
The Wiz Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 Have you thought about the fact that the Bills FO might realize that Byrd really isn't a key to our defense. Our defense was growing but still solid when we didnt have Byrd. I think we can find someone to fill his "centerfield" roll more easily then people think, mainly because of our front 7. I'm a huge Byrd fan and want him back but i think he can be replaced. To add to this concept, take a look at these stats and tell me which player should be paid over 8 million a year. SPOILER ALERT! Both played FS for the Bills last year.
BADOLBILZ Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 (edited) Have you thought about the fact that the Bills FO might realize that Byrd really isn't a key to our defense. Our defense was growing but still solid when we didnt have Byrd. I think we can find someone to fill his "centerfield" roll more easily then people think, mainly because of our front 7. I'm a huge Byrd fan and want him back but i think he can be replaced. After the team as a whole went in the tank following the Chiefs game, Byrd came out and intercepted a pass very early in both Pittsburgh and Tampa. A good team punches those in for TD's against a down opponent......which Pitt and Tampa were at that point.....and begins the process of rolling them. Instead, the subsequent QB play was dreadful in both cases and they couldn't take advantage, which served as a boost of confidence for both Steelers and Bucs. Byrd is a very good, player who has an undeniable ability to create turnovers........the MOST IMPORTANT STAT in the game. The Bills aren't likely to be better off without him. Edited March 10, 2014 by BADOLBEELZ
jletha Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 You dont think the Bills do a good enough job of retaining our own talent? What an original thought. I do seem to remember us resigning Wood, K. Williams, Freddie, Stevie and most recently an up and coming talent A. Williams. This concept of the Bills being terrible at keeping players while most other teams have it figured out is getting old. In a couple years when some other player decides to leave (as happens with most teams at some point) and Aaron Williams is holding down our secondary nobody will give props to the Bills FO for this move. Im not saying the Bills are a great organization, as evidenced by the current playoff drought and many other indicators but it seems by reading this board as often as I do that some people tend to think that other teams rarely/never let guys go. If we were all Pats fans you would have all lost your minds in letting a guy like Mark Andersen go, or same with Houston letting Mario go. Sometimes teams have to make decisions that players go because they dont think the financial commitment is worth it. Bring up guys like Greer, Winfield and Fletcher are all legit but that was a different front office and different coaches. I rarely post on this place but seeing this just made me think, does T master really believe the difference between the Charger and us is the ability to lock up a guy like Chad Rinehart. Is that really what determines a winning franchise from a loser? From what Ive seen its not, it lies more on the decisions made in the draft and on the field come Sundays. The Chargers can have Chad but us holding on to him wouldnt have changed much and I really think in a couple years this Byrd situation is gonna work in our favor. Most of all Go Bills
Kellyto83TD Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 What part of Byrd and some others you list just didn't want to be in Buffalo do you not get? Christ man one !@#$ing safety or one !@#$ing guard isn't going to = a winning season or even a superbowl. BOTH Andy L and Byrd were here in 12' and we didn't make the damn playoffs. Some people just don't want to be in Buffalo, finally get it through your head. Hell we had to vastly overpay Mario Williams and pretty much kidnap and hold him hostage to get him to sign with us
RealityCheck Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 Why can't the Bills have this kind of foresight to see when a player truly helps a team be better go out & keep the player or players that do just that ? Why can't they start their negotiations on contract extensions a year or more before the players contract is up in order to keep the good players around ? Such as in the Byrd, Levetrie, Greer, Poz, & others situations . There will be more of these type of defections in the near future for the Bills too as long as they are not aggressive in trying to keep the guys we have . The article below shows what happens to a team when it sees a guy that helps & they keep him dispute a injury , & this guy could have still been in a Bills uni & we wouldn't have had the trouble with our O line as we did last season , BUT NOOOOO !! Now he is staying where the grass is definitely greener & helping this team to stay a play off contender ... And i just bet we could all think of others such as this that could have been kept to help the cause ... http://espn.go.com/n...-diego-chargers
Max997 Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 (edited) Didn't the Bills just resign Aaron Williams to an extension with one year left on his deal? Didn't they also resign Wood to an extension before last season? Players also need to want to stay and give up free agency in order for an extension to be signed so it's not all on the Bills Edited March 10, 2014 by Max997
Dan Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 (edited) Why can't the Bills have this kind of foresight to see when a player truly helps a team be better go out & keep the player or players that do just that ? Why can't they start their negotiations on contract extensions a year or more before the players contract is up in order to keep the good players around ? Such as in the Byrd, Levetrie, Greer, Poz, & others situations . There will be more of these type of defections in the near future for the Bills too as long as they are not aggressive in trying to keep the guys we have . The article below shows what happens to a team when it sees a guy that helps & they keep him dispute a injury , & this guy could have still been in a Bills uni & we wouldn't have had the trouble with our O line as we did last season , BUT NOOOOO !! Now he is staying where the grass is definitely greener & helping this team to stay a play off contender ... And i just bet we could all think of others such as this that could have been kept to help the cause ... http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10583134/chad-rinehart-agrees-2-year-deal-return-san-diego-chargers Did they not do this with Stevie, Fred, Wood, Pears, A. Williams, McKelvin, K. Williams? Quite honestly, the notion that the Bills' FO does not negotiate early or re-sign their own players is completely falling apart. There are plenty of examples where they do. I'm not saying they get everything right, not by any means. But, they do plenty to bring in new players and re-sign current players that they think will help the team. Problem is... you just disagree on which players they're keeping and letting go or so it seems. Edited March 10, 2014 by Dan
Buftex Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 You dont think the Bills do a good enough job of retaining our own talent? What an original thought. I do seem to remember us resigning Wood, K. Williams, Freddie, Stevie and most recently an up and coming talent A. Williams. Most of all Go Bills No, they don't re-sign their talent, as long as you don't include examples of when they did!
BobDVA Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 No, they don't re-sign their talent, as long as you don't include examples of when they did! This
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 (edited) Bills sign their own as much as anyone else and they sign big name free agents. What they dont do well? Hire head coaches and evaluating QBs. You know, things that actually make you a good football team. Edited March 10, 2014 by TheTruthHurts
swnybillsfan Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 Did they not do this with Stevie, Fred, Wood, Pears, A. Williams, McKelvin, K. Williams? Quite honestly, the notion that the Bills' FO does not negotiate early or re-sign their own players is completely falling apart. There are plenty of examples where they do. I'm not saying they get everything right, not by any means. But, they do plenty to bring in new players and re-sign current players that they think will help the team. Problem is... you just disagree on which players they're keeping and letting go or so it seems. this is a huge problem, being able to use hindsight and hypotheticals to rip apart every move that was or wasn't made after it has happened. the one thing we know is that even with the ridiculously high (and always rising) salary cap, you just cannot keep them all.
Dr. Fong Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 You mean like last week when they locked up Aaron Williams a year early?
The Wiz Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 You mean like last week when they locked up Aaron Williams a year early? The conventional pessimist would comment on how he has been a disappointment through his career and only shined last year due to Pettine's scheme for him. Now that Pettine is gone and he has a contract we can expect the mediocre performance that we've seen in the past. Obviously I've been around here too long.
K-9 Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 You mean like last week when they locked up Aaron Williams a year early? I suppose we cans start there and work our way back. GO BILLS!!!
offsides#76FredSmerlas Posted March 10, 2014 Posted March 10, 2014 How in the hell do you know that we don't try to get early contract extensions with players? What I do know is that they have signed guys before their contracts were expired. Heck, we just signed Aaron Williams this very same way. You also have no idea nor do I on what goes on behind closed doors. Does the guy want to stay, is he playing hardball to get over paid, does he want more years then we can offer? Beyond that, none of us know the long term plans and budget of the team to get certain guys signed in the future. I figure you obviously must know more about the cap than a professional GM. You should have applied for the position. I hate when people think they have all the answers and know what the teams brain trust needs to do with their money better then them. The bottom line is you can't sign every damn guy on the roster, especially for what they all feel they deserve. Do you think the Saints wanted to get rid of Sproles, did the Patriots want to lose Welker. or their top corner this year? How about the Texans, how could they let Mario Williams go, hmmmmmmm? It happens all over the league so stop busting the Bills chops everytime they don't please you. Somebody earlier said we can't evaluate head coaches, not so sure about that. I do agree with your comments on us not getting good QB's. If you have a QB your head coach looks like a genius, if you don't have a solid QB your coach has a max shelf life of 3 years. Is that always the coaches fault? Life in the NFL...
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