1billsfan Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 ...and that he wasn't even in the league this season. Is he the biggest bust ever? I mean, How do you go from being the first pick in the draft to not even being able to get a backup job. Wow!
BillsGuyInMalta Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 The problem with Couch is and always was a total and complete lack of confidence in himself. You know, people rag on Losman because some call him "cocky", but if Couch had even half of Losman's confidence in his abilities, Couch would be a Pro Bowler right now and the Browns would not be a cellar dweller. I remember one Browns game where Couch threw an INT and then had this "oh well, its going to be another one of those days" look of frustration on his face. Good QBs get pissed when they throw INTs and want to get back in the game to correct their mistakes. Couch just gave up. A very sad story for him, that kid had no self-esteem at any point in his career.
Rubes Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 I still put Leaf way ahead of anyone else. At least Couch showed even some shred of talent. Leaf was just a complete joke from day 1.
BillsGuyInMalta Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 I still put Leaf way ahead of anyone else. At least Couch showed even some shred of talent. Leaf was just a complete joke from day 1. 213766[/snapback] I agree...Leaf was just an ass, who never showed ANY talent in the NFL. At least Couch flashed some potential from time to time. Leaf just managed to piss off everyone he came into contact with.
Gavin in Va Beach Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 I still put Leaf way ahead of anyone else. At least Couch showed even some shred of talent. Leaf was just a complete joke from day 1. 213766[/snapback] I agree, Leaf is the bigger bust. It is a fuggin' tragedy that one of his few victories came against our Bills.
plenzmd1 Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 I agree, Leaf is the bigger bust. It is a fuggin' tragedy that one of his few victories came against our Bills. 213771[/snapback] Put in "why I will never be a GM" class, I would have drafted Leaf over Manning.
Alaska Darin Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 Couch was destined for failure. The Browns never put any talent around him on offense. The line, WRs, and RBs were all mediocre and the constant pounding took a huge toll on him both physically and mentally.
Arkady Renko Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 Couch was destined for failure. The Browns never put any talent around him on offense. The line, WRs, and RBs were all mediocre and the constant pounding took a huge toll on him both physically and mentally. 213847[/snapback] Leaf?? Couch?? The bigger bust was Akili Smith. Wasn't he picked 3rd behind McNabb and Couch?
Alaska Darin Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 Leaf?? Couch?? The bigger bust was Akili Smith. Wasn't he picked 3rd behind McNabb and Couch? 213850[/snapback] He was 3rd and taught alot of scouts that being able to play football is alot more important than combine numbers/performance.
MRW Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 Leaf?? Couch?? The bigger bust was Akili Smith. Wasn't he picked 3rd behind McNabb and Couch? 213850[/snapback] Makes you wonder about this past year's draft, doesn't it? 5 QBs in the first round in 1999, 2 of whom are still in the league (and are stars). 4 QBs in the first round in 2004. I guess we'll have to evaluate in a few years.
Dr. Fong Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 And don't forget the Philly fans at the draft booed when McNabb's name was called. Classy fans through and through.
BuffFanInATL Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 It seems like, even in the first round, there's about a 50/50 chance of QBs of turning out good-great... If we look at recent drafts when more than 1 QB was picked in Round 1: 2003: Carson Palmer - so far, decent Byron Leftwich - should be good, at least Kyle Boller - not shown much Rex Grossman - who knows 2002: David Carr - Could be good Joey Harrington - Incomplete Patrick Ramsey - Ok. 1999: Tim Couch - Out Of Football Donovan McNabb - Great Akili Smith - OOF Daunte Culpepper - Great Cade McNown - OOF 1995: Steve McNair - Great Kerry Collins - Good Even back to 1983: John Elway - Great Todd Blackledge - Bust Jim Kelly - Great Tony Eason - Decent Ken O'Brien - Decent Dan Marino - Great You may quibble with some of my individual assessments, but the fact remains... it's a bit of a crapshoot...
Rubes Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 Put in "why I will never be a GM" class, I would have drafted Leaf over Manning. 213781[/snapback] And you would have won just as many Super Bowls either way...
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