The Big Cat Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 The awkwardness coming from him not writing the reporter's articles for them. I used to work in PR/PA...that's pretty much how it works. I've had reporters of MAJOR dailies print things nearly verbatim as they came from our shop. Sports reporting is like that on steroids.
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) Do people really believe Graham has Bills "sources" any more? i think he has burned a lot of bridges. When's the last time someone from the local media broke a Bills story before the a national reporter? I'd take everything that comes out of the Buffalo News (with the exception of Mark Gaughan) with a huge grain of salt? Edited February 24, 2014 by C.Biscuit97
Justice Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 The trainer of the year, Kevin O'Neill, has become available recently. Maybe the Bills want this guy, even though he took part in the Martin fiasco in Miami.
Coach Tuesday Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) My point is, in the big picture Berchtold doesn't matter. The other 2 are a problem and they have been for a very long time. I liken Berchtold to a pimple on the ass. It may bother you a bit, but you can live with it. The other 2 are cancer (IMO). Edit...if it helps Brandon to "save" Berchtold while cutting the other 2...then I'm all for it. Beerball, you can remain dug in there if you like, but I'd encourage you to think about it some more. The issue with Berchtold is transparency and accountability - both of which are important to "changing the culture" as Marrone likes to put it. Yes he has the least impact of the on-the-field outcome, but this is about a bigger and deeper concern. We have heard for years that big name coaches have avoided coming here (and one of our coaches actually quit!), in part because they are concerned about being undermined and embarassed by upper-management. Berchtold's role is important to that aspect of things. Edited February 24, 2014 by Coach Tuesday
The Big Cat Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 My point is, in the big picture Berchtold doesn't matter. The other 2 are a problem and they have been for a very long time. I liken Berchtold to a pimple on the ass. It may bother you a bit, but you can live with it. The other 2 are cancer (IMO). Edit...if it helps Brandon to "save" Berchtold while cutting the other 2...then I'm all for it. Agreed, but I think this ARTICLE is the pimple and it's a cancerous lump for everyone to see. Detection is the first step in recovery.
Beerball Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 Do people really believe Graham has Bills "sources" any more? i think he has burned a lot of bridges. His future depends on it. How does this play out for you...Parker calls Graham and tells him..."hey, we can't get anywhere with the Bills because of the unholy triumvirate." Graham goes to the 2 Dougs and says...this is what I hear... Doesn't it serve them well to make their case public? Detection is the first step in recovery. 110% agree
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 His future depends on it. How does this play out for you...Parker calls Graham and tells him..."hey, we can't get anywhere with the Bills because of the unholy triumvirate." Graham goes to the 2 Dougs and says...this is what I hear... Doesn't it serve them well to make their case public? 110% agree Fair point. However if I was a GM, I would never tell the media a thing. Especially a guy like Graham who seems like he is dying to make a name for himself.
Sisyphean Bills Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 I used to work in PR/PA...that's pretty much how it works. I've had reporters of MAJOR dailies print things nearly verbatim as they came from our shop. Sports reporting is like that on steroids. Yep. On the other hand, I'm not sure anyone would write an article putting himself directly in the cross-hairs. That's all I was saying, BC.
Jerry Jabber Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 Is Russ Brandon a puppet CEO? Are the puppetmasters Littmann, Overdorf, and Berchtold? It could seem that Russ’ huffing and puffing he did about leaving no stone unturned in making the Bills a winner last year when he was named the CEO was just another marketing scheme.
BillsVet Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 His future depends on it. How does this play out for you...Parker calls Graham and tells him..."hey, we can't get anywhere with the Bills because of the unholy triumvirate." Graham goes to the 2 Dougs and says...this is what I hear... That doesn't explain why the first story came out with regard to the training staff. That's got nothing to do with Parker.
NoSaint Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 Fair point. However if I was a GM, I would never tell the media a thing. Especially a guy like Graham who seems like he is dying to make a name for himself. yea - even if i was going to, im still having a hard time wrapping my head around "alright guys, we are going to make a big play to try and blow up the old guard, can someone DM tim graham on twitter to fill him in?" but i guess you could find advantages of using timmah, potentially.
Dawgg Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) Do people really believe Graham has Bills "sources" any more? i think he has burned a lot of bridges. When's the last time someone from the local media broke a Bills story before the a national reporter? I'd take everything that comes out of the Buffalo News (with the exception of Mark Gaughan) with a huge grain of salt? Tim Graham may be annoying, but make no mistake: he has sources -- reporting something that significant with no sources would be a major breach of ethics that would inevitably catch up to him. He has been around long enough not to make an idiotic mistake like that. Edited February 24, 2014 by Dawgg
NoSaint Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 Tim Graham may be annoying, but make no mistake: he has sources -- reporting something that significant with no sources would be a major breach of ethics that would inevitably catch up to him. He has been around long enough not to make an idiotic mistake like that. yea but i think C. Biscuit is questioning whether graham is the guy on whaley/marrones speed dial for anonymous info to get floated. surely someone spoke to him though.
Beerball Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 Beerball, you can remain dug in there if you like, but I'd encourage you to think about it some more. The issue with Berchtold is transparency and accountability - both of which are important to "changing the culture" as Marrone likes to put it. Yes he has the least impact of the on-the-field outcome, but this is about a bigger and deeper concern. We have heard for years that big name coaches have avoided coming here (and one of our coaches actually quit!), in part because they are concerned about being undermined and embarassed by upper-management. Berchtold's role is important to that aspect of things. Let me try it this way...this is Brandon's first true test. He has people in his organization stating publicly that it's dysfunctional. Maybe Brandon feels that he can't get 3 firings past Ralph. Maybe he thinks that he can go to Ralph and support Berchtold, but, at the expense of Littmann & Overdorf. To me that's a win. To put it yet another way...if you could get rid of 2 of the 3 which 2 would you choose? That doesn't explain why the first story came out with regard to the training staff. That's got nothing to do with Parker. Agree, and it doesn't have to.
Dawgg Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 yea but i think C. Biscuit is questioning whether graham is the guy on whaley/marrones speed dial for anonymous info to get floated. surely someone spoke to him though. Seriously doubt it's Whaley or Marrone. But it doesn't have to be. His article states that scouts and coaches share this feeling. Scouts are in regular contact with Whaley. Coaches are in regular contact with Marrone. I think dots can be connected here with little room for the skepticism that Biscuit seems to have.
Sisyphean Bills Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 yea but i think C. Biscuit is questioning whether graham is the guy on whaley/marrones speed dial for anonymous info to get floated. surely someone spoke to him though. A reporter's job is to get people to talk. And, people talk. And, Tim Graham is a reporter. Just sayin'.
YoloinOhio Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 Let me try it this way...this is Brandon's first true test. He has people in his organization stating publicly that it's dysfunctional. Maybe Brandon feels that he can't get 3 firings past Ralph. Maybe he thinks that he can go to Ralph and support Berchtold, but, at the expense of Littmann & Overdorf. To me that's a win. To put it yet another way...if you could get rid of 2 of the 3 which 2 would you choose? Agree, and it doesn't have to. This has to burn Russ like nothing else, no? He is a PR guy by nature.
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) Seriously doubt it's Whaley or Marrone. But it doesn't have to be. His article states that scouts and coaches share this feeling. Scouts are in regular contact with Whaley. Coaches are in regular contact with Marrone. I think dots can be connected here with little room for the skepticism that Biscuit seems to have. Again, what's the last story a Buffalo News reporter has broken? If his sources are as you say, why hasn't he broken any stories? I used to like Graham but he has become thin skinned and seems to relish stirring up things. And if there really is a leak, if I'm the Gm (hopefully in a few year ), someone is losing their job. Edited February 24, 2014 by C.Biscuit97
NoSaint Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 Again, what's the last story a Buffalo News reporter has broken? If his sources are as you say, why hasn't he broken any stories? I used to like Graham but he has become thin skinned and seems to relish stirring up things. And if there really is a leak, if I'm the Gm (hopefully in a few year ), someone is losing their job. if for no other reason, for choosing graham over a reasonable and professional reporter to partner with.
RealityCheck Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 Who is to say this dynamic was not part of Pettine's desire to leave for Cleveland, or that he hasn't leaked some of this stuff himself. He left quite the oil slick on his way out of New York. These stories have emerged during the combine.
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