Dorkington Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 This shows me you are more interested in seeing the Bills in flames rather than becoming good. Something I've always suspected. Not at all. I'd be crying tears of happiness if they made the playoffs. But I'm cynical to the point where I don't expect them to do anything right.
thebandit27 Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 With how messy this team is. I kind of hope that Marrone and Whaley get fired right before the season starts. Just for ultimate **** show drama purposes. What is this? "With how messy this team is"...really? How messy are they? They finished 6-10 with a rookie coach and rookie QB--oh, and they had to start 4th string QBs for 6 games...no big deal. It never ceases to amaze me how many "fans" actually want the team to crash and burn. Not at all. I'd be crying tears of happiness if they made the playoffs. But I'm cynical to the point where I don't expect them to do anything right. I call BS...you cannot reasonably say in one sentence that you hope for a **** show and then turn around and talk about how happy you'll be if it doesn't happen and expect to be taken seriously.
Dorkington Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 What is this? "With how messy this team is"...really? How messy are they? They finished 6-10 with a rookie coach and rookie QB--oh, and they had to start 4th string QBs for 6 games...no big deal. It never ceases to amaze me how many "fans" actually want the team to crash and burn. A rookie coach who was mediocre in college. A rookie QB who can't stay on the field. Signing a FA QB who injured himself on a mat. A "stud" defense, that can't stop the run, or 3rd and long... then still lose their "awesome" DC to a head coaching job. There's always some "mess" with this team. The only consistency is that there's new excuses every year for being mediocre. Ideally I'd love if we got our collective **** together and made the playoffs. But I'm certainly not expecting anything other than absolute nonsense... for the 14th year running.
May Day 10 Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 If the "leak" truly came from Marrone/Whaley/Brandon as the above article supposes, then the bold cannot possibly be true. I believe it is from close to, if not Marrone/Whaley. I would think Marrone only, because WHaley has been around and should be aware of the pecking order... but the mention of "scouts"... I believe Brandon is firmly in the corner of the power-brokers Wilson/Littman/Overdorf. He is a career-oriented man who has never waivered in his ability/desire to please his bosses. I dont see him tossing a grenade on his org. All IMO thoughts though
thebandit27 Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 I believe it is from close to, if not Marrone/Whaley. I would think Marrone only, because WHaley has been around and should be aware of the pecking order... but the mention of "scouts"... I believe Brandon is firmly in the corner of the power-brokers Wilson/Littman/Overdorf. He is a career-oriented man who has never waivered in his ability/desire to please his bosses. I dont see him tossing a grenade on his org. All IMO thoughts though So if I'm reading your posts correctly, and I don't mean to assume, you're of the belief that the situation is "The Bills" vs. "Marrone/Whaley"?
YoloinOhio Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 With how messy this team is. I kind of hope that Marrone and Whaley get fired right before the season starts. Just for ultimate **** show drama purposes. May I suggest a relo to Cleveland, Ohio? All that and more, promise.
Dorkington Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 May I suggest a relo to Cleveland, Ohio? All that and more, promise. I'm going to simultaneously laugh and cry if the Browns finish with a better record than us this year (or worse, make the playoffs).
May Day 10 Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) Basically, yes. I dont know how "deep" the complaints go, I dont think there is all out conflict or anything... (or how factual Graham's column is). I just know Overdorf/Littman/Brandon are lock-step. If anything were to happen, we will see the Complainant resign or get canned at some point. Likely, things will quietly be smoothed out in-house and we wont hear anything more Edited February 25, 2014 by May Day 10
sodbuster Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 According to the hour by hour account of Whaleys day at the combine, they (Brandon and Whaley) met with Overdorf over dinner late friday night to get up to speed on ufa negotiations. I would be willing to bet that one of them heard something they didn't like and that was the last straw. Saturday someone contacts TG, by Sunday night we're reading about it online.
Dorkington Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 I call BS...you cannot reasonably say in one sentence that you hope for a **** show and then turn around and talk about how happy you'll be if it doesn't happen and expect to be taken seriously. Call BS all you want. I'm one of the loudest at the local Bills bars when I go (last year I had the Sunday Ticket from Madden though). Hurt my damned body when we came back against NE, heh. Order of things how I want: 1) Superbowl 2) Playoffs 3) "Entertaining" sh*t hitting the fan, terrible record, major shakeup with ownership/FO 4) 6-10 It's not that difficult to understand.
thebandit27 Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 Call BS all you want. I'm one of the loudest at the local Bills bars when I go (last year I had the Sunday Ticket from Madden though). Hurt my damned body when we came back against NE, heh. Order of things how I want: 1) Superbowl 2) Playoffs 3) "Entertaining" sh*t hitting the fan, terrible record, major shakeup with ownership/FO 4) 6-10 It's not that difficult to understand. So you don't "kind of hope" Marrone/Whaley get fired then? You just think that playoffs and/or Superbowl contention is out of the question, so you'd rather be entertained by complete and utter incompetence.
Dorkington Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 So you don't "kind of hope" Marrone/Whaley get fired then? You just think that playoffs and/or Superbowl contention is out of the question, so you'd rather be entertained by complete and utter incompetence. "Kind of hope" would qualify as #3 in a list of 4... "really hope" for the top two I'm just tired of the same mediocrity. I mean, we're all worked up over coaches wanting to replace the training staff. Is that all we have now?
BillsVet Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 Anyone expecting major changes to result from a BN article are probably in for some disappointment. The franchise has been run this way for years and you can go back to the 70s to see things weren't much different than now in terms of organizational priorities. http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2011/7/20/2275370/buffalo-bills-ralph-wilson-john-rauch I know some will criticize Rauch because he wasn't successful, but that's not the point. While back then it was RW and his people who protected the cash flow, he has types like Littmann, Brandon, and Overdorf doing that for the Wilson family. The good 'ole boys concept is still alive and well.
YoloinOhio Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 Interesting timing on this piece from this morning on BB.com: Chris Brown @ChrisBrownBills 22m A new brain trust for #Bills - Whaley, Monos, Fisher among youngest in NFL. A http://Buffalobills.com exclusive. http://ow.ly/tYLDs
extrahammer Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 I think it's ridiculous how Kevin Massare is supporting Jeffrey Littmann because he knows the family. When you offer that sort of protection for anyone, there's a problem. Like the saying goes: "one bad apple can spoil the whole bunch" http://forgedinbuffalo.com/media/sports/buffalo-bills-front-office-house-of-cards/
YoloinOhio Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 I'm going to simultaneously laugh and cry if the Browns finish with a better record than us this year (or worse, make the playoffs).
Jerry Jabber Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 More from Tim Graham: http://t.co/E2u0Mn65Dy http://t.co/CoCAFkAFAE
NoSaint Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 More from Tim Graham: http://t.co/E2u0Mn65Dy http://t.co/CoCAFkAFAE summary?
boyst Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 I am glad we have Graham and I think he is just now getting the freedom and connections in the area built back to be a great beat reporter.
YoloinOhio Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) summary? We are Doooomed. Marrone and Whaley are trying to change the culture and improve on some things like the training staff. The old guard is not making it easy. Edited February 25, 2014 by YoloinOhio
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