Kelly the Dog Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Of course he will--I'm just saying that the number of teams lining up to pay him $10M/year may not be as numerous as some folks may believe. So why should he sign with the Bills then, even if there are only 2-3?
thebandit27 Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 but those come at the end of the ones awarded at the tail end of the 7th, right before they start an 8th round that doles out the very last of those 32 That's correct as usual NoSaint. I was just clarifying that there doesn't need to be a net loss of FAs to get a comp pick and neglected to mention that point.
BADOLBILZ Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Doug Whaley on Not Tagging Jairus Byrd <4:50> Congrats to Eugene on massaging these nimrods into being able to sleep easy at night with their less than market offer. Byrd is obviously comfortable leaving.....and Eugene probably has already discussed the number he wants with other teams and the last part is coercing the team with all the leverage into not using the tag by keeping things warm and friendly and making them feel good about their efforts. Say what you want, but he is obviously the smartest guy in the room when dealing with any Bills official. Well played, sir.
Kelly the Dog Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 I agree, completely. But I don't know the full situation. Maybe they tried all season to trade Byrd? Maybe Parker said tag him and we'll walk from ANY offer you put on the table? Maybe Doug just doesn't like Byrd? My point being that it's hard to know all the efforts that our front office has put in to this; therefore, its hard to draw any concrete conclusions about what they should or shouldn't have done. With that said, we were in this exact same situation last year. And the Bills couldn't (but maybe they didn't try?) trade him, so the one thing I feel most comfortable concluding is that there most likely aren't any teams willing to trade for him based on what he thinks he's worth and what the Bills want in return. 1] even if all those things are true you suggested, or other possibilities neither of us have thought of before, you still tag him because circumstances change, and people say stuff that isn't true. 2] we were in the same situation last year, but we tagged him and we got 10 good games out of him, even with the injury.
thebandit27 Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 So why should he sign with the Bills then, even if there are only 2-3? I never said he should. I know its a long thread and so many posts get missed--I was responding to a post about Byrd's value as a safety. He should be trying to get as much as he can; no harm no foul there. I would tag him if I were the Bills--they obviously feel differently based on what they know of the situation. Bitter pill to swallow as a fan; sometimes it is indeed better to move on though.
Kelly the Dog Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 I never said he should. I know its a long thread and so many posts get missed--I was responding to a post about Byrd's value as a safety. He should be trying to get as much as he can; no harm no foul there. I would tag him if I were the Bills--they obviously feel differently based on what they know of the situation. Bitter pill to swallow as a fan; sometimes it is indeed better to move on though. Got it. Thx. And yes, sometimes it is indeed better to move on. To me, this wasnt the time.
RuntheDamnBall Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Your Buffalo Bills: bringing knives to gun-fights since 1999, and probably earlier. This should work out about as well as when they let Nate Clements go for nothing. If a team gave us a fourth round pick it would still be better than the compensatory pick shakeout, presuming the Bills will sign some FAs that will offset the reward. So damned frustrating.
Bill from NYC Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 1] even if all those things are true you suggested, or other possibilities neither of us have thought of before, you still tag him because circumstances change, and people say stuff that isn't true. 2] we were in the same situation last year, but we tagged him and we got 10 good games out of him, even with the injury. Why didn't they tag him and simply remove the tag in August just to screw him over and send a message?
JuanGuzman Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 I'll always be a Bills fan but its painful to see the organization frequentely mis-manage assets. Byrd's the best safety we've had in a long time. The franchise tag would seemingly give us enough leverage to sign him long term. Yet the F.O. is incapable of achieving it. Not sure if its because they're cheap or incompetent but god damn good organizations seem to retain their best young players.
bobobonators Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 How we let him walk is beyond me. Lets use the tag on Chris Hogan instead.
Dan Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 1] even if all those things are true you suggested, or other possibilities neither of us have thought of before, you still tag him because circumstances change, and people say stuff that isn't true. 2] we were in the same situation last year, but we tagged him and we got 10 good games out of him, even with the injury. Like I said, it's going to be interesting to see how much more another team pays him. Because if he just wanted out of Buffalo, regardless, then I wouldn't tag him either. If you're trying to change the culture and build a team of guys fighting for each other, you don't keep guys around that aren't buying into your plans, even if you can get another 10 good games out of him.
thebandit27 Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Got it. Thx. And yes, sometimes it is indeed better to move on. To me, this wasnt the time. I agree...next year would've been better IMO with one more year under the tag. Let's hope the team's plan to replace him works Got it. Thx. And yes, sometimes it is indeed better to move on. To me, this wasnt the time. I agree...next year would've been better IMO with one more year under the tag. Let's hope the team's plan to replace him works better than the plan to replace Levitre
RuntheDamnBall Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Why didn't they tag him and simply remove the tag in August just to screw him over and send a message? At this point they have to be looking at their relationships with incoming FAs. If this is viewed as a place that is unfriendly to players, it means the Bills are playing a few cards shorter than they already are - and they are already not a prime destination. I am annoyed with the situation but spite can't rule the day. The tag is a fair number for one year, and an unfair number to a player expecting 20M guaranteed. I am surprised they cannot meet in the middle here. If they really can't, it must have something to do with the franchise itself, in which case recouping something on the loss via even a low draft pick would be preferable to this.
Bill from NYC Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 At this point they have to be looking at their relationships with incoming FAs. If this is viewed as a place that is unfriendly to players, it means the Bills are playing a few cards shorter than they already are - and they are already not a prime destination. I am annoyed with the situation but spite can't rule the day. The tag is a fair number for one year, and an unfair number to a player expecting 20M guaranteed. I am surprised they cannot meet in the middle here. If they really can't, it must have something to do with the franchise itself, in which case recouping something on the loss via even a low draft pick would be preferable to this. I respectfully disagree. They let Clements go after Marv made him a "promise," and we continue to lose football games. Parker is out for blood and I respect this. But teams have the leverage if they are tough enough to use it.
dailar Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Lets be realistic here for a second. The bills had to do the PR thing here and show that they wanted the guy here but the team had a value on the guy and werent willing to go beyond that. It wasnt an accident that they drafted 2 safeties last year. They were planning for his exit. They now have the money to build the team in areas of weakness. The oline can be addressed, ILB can be addressed, dareus and aaron williams can be resigned and they can continue to build through the draft. I wanted Byrd to stay and he might but if he does it will on the Bills terms. They have spent a LOT of money on the coaching staff, they are building the team the way they want to. Byrd may not want to be a part of that, he will probably be paid more elsewhere and I dont blame him for that but how I will smile if we go to the play offs and imagine him watching on TV. Ever optimistic maybe but I do think we are building something here.
3rdand12 Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 I am done imploding after a day or so of this. Last year JB got paid for all his efforts. This year he can do as he wishes. and he wishes to move on. He probably did last year too. Always always more to the story . I am over it. See it wasnt that hard !! But i will pay close attention till the bitter end. Sincere best wishes Jairus .\ Turn the page folks
Kelly the Dog Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Why didn't they tag him and simply remove the tag in August just to screw him over and send a message? Because they wanted him to play and there was still a chance to sign him long term. Not to mention you don't screw a guy over, you play hardball within the rules, both letter and spirit.
Bill from NYC Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Because they wanted him to play and there was still a chance to sign him long term. Not to mention you don't screw a guy over, you play hardball within the rules, both letter and spirit. Are you saying that what Byrd/Parker did last season was OK, and my scenario is somehow not OK?
Dorkington Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Ah. Yes. Another day of the Bills proving their ineptness. Sweet.
3rdand12 Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Lets be realistic here for a second. The bills had to do the PR thing here and show that they wanted the guy here but the team had a value on the guy and werent willing to go beyond that. It wasnt an accident that they drafted 2 safeties last year. They were planning for his exit. They now have the money to build the team in areas of weakness. The oline can be addressed, ILB can be addressed, dareus and aaron williams can be resigned and they can continue to build through the draft. I wanted Byrd to stay and he might but if he does it will on the Bills terms. They have spent a LOT of money on the coaching staff, they are building the team the way they want to. Byrd may not want to be a part of that, he will probably be paid more elsewhere and I dont blame him for that but how I will smile if we go to the play offs and imagine him watching on TV. Ever optimistic maybe but I do think we are building something here. the first post with positive leanings Hurrah ! Ah. Yes. Another day of the Bills proving their ineptness. Sweet. you revel in this all some how dont you ?
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