simpleman Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Same old Bills FO. Losers! Don't even have the grit to fight to the end to get something out of Byrd in trade, just let him walk away smirking and flipping us the Bird!
Hazed and Amuzed Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Its a damn message board people are or SHOULD be able to say whatever the hell they want, i was just venting and expressing my opinion at the current time, isnt that what message boards are for? People get so caught up in what other people say on a forum. Like there is some sort of white collar proper forum etiquette. Yeah!!! Tell'em!!!! We will not be stifled!
Lt. Dan's Revenge Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Same old Bills FO. Losers! Don't even have the grit to fight to the end to get something out of Byrd in trade, just let him walk away smirking and flipping us the Bird! UGH. What the hell leverage did the Bills had to trade Byrd when every other team knows that he wants out, not to mention the fact that they would then have to sign him to a long-term deal?!?!?!? Did you want to get a 5th rounder for him instead of a potentially much higher compensatory pick?!?!?!? I'm going to need therapy after 15 minutes of this thread.
Hazed and Amuzed Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Same old Bills FO. Losers! Don't even have the grit to fight to the end to get something out of Byrd in trade, just let him walk away smirking and flipping us the Bird! Byrd gave us 4 years on a 2nd round rookie contract. He was a pro bowler and an all pro. I think we got more from him then he got from us. The guy doesn't want to be here, let em go.
Lt. Dan's Revenge Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Byrd gave us 4 years on a 2nd round rookie contract. He was a pro bowler and an all pro. I think we got more from him then he got from us. The guy doesn't want to be here, let em go. For every 6 or 7 ridiculous posts, there's a pragmatic, realistic one like this. Thanks.
mannc Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Byrd will get what the market pays him, not what his worth is relative to another safety. Correct. Kaepernick and Wilson both make well under $1 million per year, due to where and when they were drafted. That does not mean that other QB's are overpaid; it just means that Wilson and Kaepernick are steals.
Kelly the Dog Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Byrd gave us 4 years on a 2nd round rookie contract. He was a pro bowler and an all pro. I think we got more from him then he got from us. That's a good point. But also a good reason why he deserves to be paid top dollar. He far outplayed his contract each of the first four years in a row. Ridiculously outplayed it. There is every reason to believe that he will get better and better.
Bill from NYC Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Correct. Kaepernick and Wilson both make well under $1 million per year, due to where and when they were drafted. That does not mean that other QB's are overpaid; it just means that Wilson and Kaepernick are steals. Not for long. I just heard on Sirius that Kaepernick wants 18 million per season.
26CornerBlitz Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Doug Whaley on Not Tagging Jairus Byrd <4:50> Bills general manager Doug Whaley meets with the media about the team's decision to not use the franchise tag on safety Jairus Byrd.
BillsVet Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Byrd gave us 4 years on a 2nd round rookie contract. He was a pro bowler and an all pro. I think we got more from him then he got from us. The guy doesn't want to be here, let em go. How does that mentality build a winning football team? What it means is you've got to hit on all your top picks because you're recycling players at a really high rate. The Bills had 10 first through third round picks from 2007-09. Six managed to play well and are still in the league. Only two of those six were re-signed. So you've got average at best drafting combined with not keeping your highest picks. The league is too competitive for a team to take that approach and expect to win. The again maybe winning isn't as much of a priority as some think.
Dan Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 I think the point is what they did today is give up before they had to give up. That's not what you should do. if they tagged him and tried to trade him and THEN found out no one caved like Philly and the Falcons did for Peters and Price, or no one offered a second rounder at the last second when it appeared they were going to lose Byrd to another team OR the Bills put out word they were going to keep him be damned, THEN you take off the tag and let him walk like they did today. At least you exercised your option. As I said before in this thread, with what they did and said, Byrd and Parker would have been idiots to sign for less than 65m-6 and 30m guaranteed with the Bills. What you're saying makes sense; however, it's quite possible that Whaley has been in touch with teams about trading him as far back as last August and he knows the trade market just isn't there for him. If that's the case, then why play that out again? I think it's going to be interesting to see where Byrd ends up and what his salary is, because I suspect he's over estimating his value just a bit.
Kelly the Dog Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Doug Whaley on Not Tagging Jairus Byrd <4:50> People should watch that.
NoSaint Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 That's not necessarily accurate. The CBA language stipulates what you're saying as the diet qualifier for a comp pick. However, because there are 32 picks to mete out, and not enough teams that qualify for the 32 picks, a weighted formula is applied for teams that break even on FAs. Thanks for clarifying that what it looked like you were saying is not in fact how you feel. Would you be willing to further explain? but those come at the end of the ones awarded at the tail end of the 7th, right before they start an 8th round that doles out the very last of those 32
auburnbillsbacker Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 The Saints were not afraid to tag Brees last year, even though Brees was outraged. The Saints did not have a problem tagging Graham as a TE. The collective bargaining agreement allowed us to keep the player who is now the top free agent on the market, and we decided to pass and let him go. I don't get it. The tag would have been cheaper than the 10 million we offered him for the next season.
birdog1960 Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Doug Whaley on Not Tagging Jairus Byrd <4:50> totally unconvincing. tag and trade was too much effort? i feel bad for this guy. middle management sucks. someone on the bills' board of directors should have been answering those questions.
Kelly the Dog Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 What you're saying makes sense; however, it's quite possible that Whaley has been in touch with teams about trading him as far back as last August and he knows the trade market just isn't there for him. If that's the case, then why play that out again? I think it's going to be interesting to see where Byrd ends up and what his salary is, because I suspect he's over estimating his value just a bit. How hard is it, honestly, to put up with some questions from the media, and to answer a few phone calls, and to have your paid employees work on something a very short amount of time on the chance that you are going to get a #1, #2, or legitimate #3 draft out of the deal instead of nothing? And if it doesn't work out, and no one wants him for a trade, you are in the same position you are in today. I'm not saying we could have got a great trade out of this, I'm saying that there is precedent for it, and it doesn't hurt, it only can help.
Lv-Bills Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Seriously. That's exactly what I was thinking. Whaley stands there and says they didn't tag and trade him because it's too many moving parts. You have to find a trade partner, etc. ARE YOU FRIGGIN KIDDIN ME? That's your job Doug!!! My god this team is unreal. You can't make this stuff up.
NoSaint Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 (edited) The Saints were not afraid to tag Brees last year, even though Brees was outraged. The Saints did not have a problem tagging Graham as a TE. The collective bargaining agreement allowed us to keep the player who is now the top free agent on the market, and we decided to pass and let him go. I don't get it. The tag would have been cheaper than the 10 million we offered him for the next season. that its even in year 2 a considerable discount from what we were seemingly willing to offer him on a contract makes it a bit of a head scratcher that they didnt atleast say "listen, sign this paper, it has a no-tag clause next year, show up to camp" and heck, maybe even throw in a few extra bucks and go from there. Edited March 3, 2014 by NoSaint
thebandit27 Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Byrd will get what the market pays him, not what his worth is relative to another safety. Of course he will--I'm just saying that the number of teams lining up to pay him $10M/year may not be as numerous as some folks may believe.
Dan Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 How hard is it, honestly, to put up with some questions from the media, and to answer a few phone calls, and to have your paid employees work on something a very short amount of time on the chance that you are going to get a #1, #2, or legitimate #3 draft out of the deal instead of nothing? And if it doesn't work out, and no one wants him for a trade, you are in the same position you are in today. I'm not saying we could have got a great trade out of this, I'm saying that there is precedent for it, and it doesn't hurt, it only can help. I agree, completely. But I don't know the full situation. Maybe they tried all season to trade Byrd? Maybe Parker said tag him and we'll walk from ANY offer you put on the table? Maybe Doug just doesn't like Byrd? My point being that it's hard to know all the efforts that our front office has put in to this; therefore, its hard to draw any concrete conclusions about what they should or shouldn't have done. With that said, we were in this exact same situation last year. And the Bills couldn't (but maybe they didn't try?) trade him, so the one thing I feel most comfortable concluding is that there most likely aren't any teams willing to trade for him based on what he thinks he's worth and what the Bills want in return.
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