RealityCheck Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 I find it funny that the issue that will ultimately drive me from this board (not that my presence matters) is people comparing what they make to athletes. Yes, in an ideal world income inequality would be a lot smaller but we don't live there so it doesn't matter. If fans are really rustled about the earnings of athletes they should stop watching/going to games/buying memorabilia since that is what generates the revenue, it won't matter but at least I won't have to listen to it anymore. NFL players are lucky to get ONE large deal and to not take advantage would be foolish. I hope Byrd resigns but I won't blame him if he leaves as long as he doesn't do anything to hurt the team. I don't think he was wrong to sit out with PF last season since he was under a one year deal and had played through it the year before in hopes of getting a big contract. I could not agree more. I am a fan of Byrd's, I am wearing his jersey right now, and I would love to see a team give him 10 million plus per year. I doubt the Bills are the team to do it, and I would not blame them. If they were gonna drop 10 million a year on someone, then I can think of a couple of FA DEs that I would prefer. Fans need to understand that teams that make playoff runs have genuine gamers at QB and a variety of players who vastly outperform their pay. Sometimes it's the QB that is one of those guys. No team sniffs the playoffs by paying all of their contributors fair market value. If Byrd is franchised again, my gut tells me it would set the stage for a trade before September.
thurst44 Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 How do you use a speed RB with only one leg? He was playing hurt all year. Every time he got in and got a decent run, he'd have to hobble off. Let him heel up that high ankle sprain and he'll be fine. Plus a high ankle sprain may have been the WORST possible injury for a runner of his style. I'm looking forward to seeing what he does this year, healthy, and hopefully with upgrades on the line. That being said, if the start is 5-2 and he's nearing 1000 yards already, and contract talks start heating up, as ecstatic as I'd be, my superstitious side might begin to get a bit woozy. And, back to the subject of the thread, agreed that the Bills should just pay him the top salary. We are too close to being an elite defense to let a key piece (likely the most important one) go.
BillsVet Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 You can do the exact same thing for every team and it would look like what you typed. (you forgot Winfield and Big Pat) Go ahead and start with the Patriots from the year they dealt Seymour. Every team in the league drafts guys and signs guys that they don't keep for various reasons. Are you implying that keeping Nate Clements was smart for the Bills? Or Willis or Lynch the nightmare teammates? I hated to see Levitre go, and Greer and Poz. But every team has good guys go elsewhere all the time, it's a reality of the league. I wanted to look at the team post-Donahoe and to present day. Williams and Winfield are ancient history. Since 2006 the team has flat lined into football mediocrity, winning between 4 and 7 games every season. It is their inability to retain talent that puts them into this category, which has been exacerbated with poor drafts. And the one time they were good on draft day they may be allowing 2 of those 3 players out the door in UFA. That's not how you maintain a good team, let alone build one. The onus remains in them to prove things are different now.
YoloinOhio Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 How do you use a speed RB with only one leg? He was playing hurt all year. Every time he got in and got a decent run, he'd have to hobble off. Let him heel up that high ankle sprain and he'll be fine. Give him what he wants plus 10%. You win with talent, not cheap guys. I swear, some of yall sound like Ralph, cheap. Probably not running him up the middle.
K-9 Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 Plus a high ankle sprain may have been the WORST possible injury for a runner of his style. I'm looking forward to seeing what he does this year, healthy, and hopefully with upgrades on the line. That being said, if the start is 5-2 and he's nearing 1000 yards already, and contract talks start heating up, as ecstatic as I'd be, my superstitious side might begin to get a bit woozy. And, back to the subject of the thread, agreed that the Bills should just pay him the top salary. We are too close to being an elite defense to let a key piece (likely the most important one) go. I don't know of any defense EVER whose FS was "the most important" piece. Great player to be sure, perhaps a vital cog, but not the most important piece. GO BILLS!!!
NoSaint Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 (edited) I don't know of any defense EVER whose FS was "the most important" piece. Great player to be sure, perhaps a vital cog, but not the most important piece. GO BILLS!!! right, and thats why the debate is 7-10m, and not 12-16m like a pass rusher or corner. Edited February 18, 2014 by NoSaint
K-9 Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 right, and thats why the debate is 7-10m, and not 12-16m like a pass rusher or corner. True. But I don't think there's much of a debate anymore. If there's truth to the $10m demand, then Parker, assuming he sticks to his previous negotiating stances, will not budge. That figure is far north of Polamalu's average and I suspect he wants north of Berry money in guaranteed salary as well. I remember when we thought that somewhere between 8-8.5 and 20m guaranteed would get it done. I doubt that now. GO BILLS!!!
YoloinOhio Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 (edited) True. But I don't think there's much of a debate anymore. If there's truth to the $10m demand, then Parker, assuming he sticks to his previous negotiating stances, will not budge. That figure is far north of Polamalu's average and I suspect he wants north of Berry money in guaranteed salary as well. I remember when we thought that somewhere between 8-8.5 and 20m guaranteed would get it done. I doubt that now. GO BILLS!!! Byrd is going to get 5yrs/50mill with a ton guaranteed from some team. This year or next. Earl Thomas is going to get extended though this year and it may be for more than that. So if the Bills want to keep Byrd, they should not tag him again. They will just end up paying more in the long run, as Parker will ask for more than Thomas got. If both sides want the deal to happen, it will. I have a feeling it won't. Despite my daily novena. lol. Edited February 18, 2014 by YoloinOhio
K-9 Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 Byrd is going to get 5yrs/50mill with a ton guaranteed from some team. This year or next. Earl Thomas is going to get extended though this year and it may be for more than that. So if the Bills want to keep Byrd, they should not tag him again. They will just end up paying more in the long run, as Parker will ask for more than Thomas got. If both sides want the deal to happen, it will. I have a feeling it won't. Despite my daily novena. lol. If both sides want it to happen? Interesting concept. Parker doesn't play that way. It's his number or bust. And I can't see the Bills agreeing to that type of negotiation. For lots of reasons. GO BILLS!!!
NoSaint Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 Byrd is going to get 5yrs/50mill with a ton guaranteed from some team. This year or next. Earl Thomas is going to get extended though this year and it may be for more than that. So if the Bills want to keep Byrd, they should not tag him again. They will just end up paying more in the long run, as Parker will ask for more than Thomas got. If both sides want the deal to happen, it will. I have a feeling it won't. Despite my daily novena. lol. i dont know that you see numbers like that ever, yet alone next year. he would be turning 29 in the 2015 season and a 5 year deal would send him through 33 years old. theres a bit of a crossroads here where the bills are losing leverage as the tag isnt an option next year, but byrd is aging quickly as well and will start seeing fewer years/less money if he keeps waiting. last year i thought low 8s gets it done, this year ill say mid/high 8s would but with those numbers itll drag til july.
papazoid Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 True. But I don't think there's much of a debate anymore. If there's truth to the $10m demand, then Parker, assuming he sticks to his previous negotiating stances, will not budge. That figure is far north of Polamalu's average and I suspect he wants north of Berry money in guaranteed salary as well. I remember when we thought that somewhere between 8-8.5 and 20m guaranteed would get it done. I doubt that now. GO BILLS!!! that ship has sailed... even if the bills offered 5 yr / $50 mil with $30 mil GUARANTEED it would be REJECTED. Byrd is getting to free agency sooner or later. it's all a charade....NEITHER SIDE WANTS THE OTHER !!! if the Bills really wanted Byrd, they would have paid him what he asked for last year. if byrd really wanted to stay he would have accepted the bills low ball offer last year.
K-9 Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 that ship has sailed... even if the bills offered 5 yr / $50 mil with $30 mil GUARANTEED it would be REJECTED. Byrd is getting to free agency sooner or later. it's all a charade....NEITHER SIDE WANTS THE OTHER !!! if the Bills really wanted Byrd, they would have paid him what he asked for last year. if byrd really wanted to stay he would have accepted the bills low ball offer last year. The Bills really want Byrd. That doesn't mean you automatically give what he wants, no questions asked. The problem is Parker and his intractable negotiating tactics. You are dead-on about if Byrd really wanted to stay. And the Bills didn't low ball him, either. That is if making him a top 5 paid FREE safety isn't considered low-balling. And that was there OPENING offer. But if the other side isn't willing to negotiate, it really doesn't matter what your OPENING offer is. GO BILLS!!!
Doc Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 Tag him and if you can't trade him, play him. He can't use the PF excuse anymore.
K-9 Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 Tag him and if you can't trade him, play him. He can't use the PF excuse anymore. I agree. He's a pretty good bargain at $8.3 still. I'd like to think the PF is a thing of the past, too. GO BILLS!!!
thewildrabbit Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 that ship has sailed... even if the bills offered 5 yr / $50 mil with $30 mil GUARANTEED it would be REJECTED. Byrd is getting to free agency sooner or later. it's all a charade....NEITHER SIDE WANTS THE OTHER !!! if the Bills really wanted Byrd, they would have paid him what he asked for last year. if byrd really wanted to stay he would have accepted the bills low ball offer last year. Nobody wants to play for a constantly losing team, unless of course the team makes it worth their while. Meaning the highest paid player at the position. Even Super Mario balked at Buffalo for days until 100 mill was on the table. The Bills should put the franchise tag on him again and build the offense up so it supports that #10 defense by controlling the clock, and help keeping the defense off the field and fresh. I think the two will want each other once the team starts winning games.
boyst Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 I'd do a 7 year deal. $10mm this year with $8mm guaranteed. Next year same thing. Year three flat our $8mm all guaranteed with $2mm in clauses. FS last a while in this league and he plays smart football not to injure himself. I agree. He's a pretty good bargain at $8.3 still. I'd like to think the PF is a thing of the past, too. GO BILLS!!! tag him. Play him. Hang year 3 over his head and trade him
NoSaint Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 The Bills really want Byrd. That doesn't mean you automatically give what he wants, no questions asked. The problem is Parker and his intractable negotiating tactics. You are dead-on about if Byrd really wanted to stay. And the Bills didn't low ball him, either. That is if making him a top 5 paid FREE safety isn't considered low-balling. And that was there OPENING offer. But if the other side isn't willing to negotiate, it really doesn't matter what your OPENING offer is. GO BILLS!!! if your opening offer is 20-30% below what the other side believes the market value is than you may not be considered negotiating in good faith yourself, if their assessment is fair/accurate.
boyst Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 One other thing to point out. A top paid safety in 2013 is less then one in 2014..2015...2016... so on. In 4 years he will probably be paid top 6-8. That's it
NoSaint Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 One other thing to point out. A top paid safety in 2013 is less then one in 2014..2015...2016... so on. In 4 years he will probably be paid top 6-8. That's it and if he was 4th-5th in 2013, in 4 years hed barely be top 10 potentially.
boyst Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 and if he was 4th-5th in 2013, in 4 years hed barely be top 10 potentially. Whitner, Berry, the duo in Seattle and a few others I can't think of at this moment will command much higher salaries in the next 4 years. Whitner, arguably, deserves a lot of money.
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