davspo Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Wow- so we lost our best coach and -arguably- our best defensive player, and we are suppose to believe this team is on the right track. What a joke- we will be millions under the cap and old may Ralphy will be counting his dough. Being a Bills fan is humiliating. We really let this guy walk for nothing- TAG AND TRADE!!
Mickey Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 It's a TERRIBLE option for the player. For Byrd this season, it means he gets 8m guaranteed instead of 25-30m guaranteed. Maybe so but I am going to guess that Byrd and his agent know what is in his best interests better than you or I. Byrd is willing to risk getting tagged rather than signing the contract being offered. It's all moot anyway. According to Buscaglia and NFL.com's Ian Rappaport, the Bill's aren't going to tag him. The report indicates that the Bill's gauged the trade market for him and turns out it's not any better than the 4th or 5th round compensatory pick they would get if they just let him walk. NFL.com Wow- so we lost our best coach and -arguably- our best defensive player, and we are suppose to believe this team is on the right track. What a joke- we will be millions under the cap and old may Ralphy will be counting his dough. Being a Bills fan is humiliating. We really let this guy walk for nothing- TAG AND TRADE!! They looked at a trade and despite all the Byrd trade fantasies regularly bandied about around here, it turns out no one was offering anything better than the compensatory pick in the 4th or 5th round we would get if we let him walk. And that shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Every team in the league knows we want to get rid of him so why on earth would they offer a top pick when the odds are that we would be releasing him?
KOKBILLS Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 It's a TERRIBLE option for the player. For Byrd this season, it means he gets 8m guaranteed instead of 25-30m guaranteed. I don't have a problem with the Bills playing this thing all the way out...Worse comes to worst they can pull the tag...I agree with what Kirby wrote back in this thread a bit...The teams unwilling to give up a pick right now are hoping Byrd is not tagged and they wont have to give up anything...I'm going to assume Parker is doing his best to muddy the waters there as well in hopes that Byrd can hit the open market which is the best case scenario for his client...IMHO the Bills should tag Byrd regardless...It seems pretty obvious it's the right thing to do at this point... I'm just getting the vibe they don't have the stomach for this anymore...Not to mention this is the Bills after all...And you know darn well they will sign a UFA Safety and try to spin it like that was the plan all along...Y'all have to know that is coming...
NoSaint Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Wow- so we lost our best coach and -arguably- our best defensive player, and we are suppose to believe this team is on the right track. What a joke- we will be millions under the cap and old may Ralphy will be counting his dough. Being a Bills fan is humiliating. We really let this guy walk for nothing- TAG AND TRADE!! To be fair we haven't lost him yet. We will see.
Kelly the Dog Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 The compensatory pick talk is nonsense unless it means they are not going to sign anyone in FA. Last year they didnt get one when Levitre signed for his big contract because we signed Lawson, Branch, etc. I expect we will sign a few more of those caliber guys, and won't get anything more than a 6th or 7th for losing Byrd.
Justice Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Be prepared for the famous line again. "We only want players that want to be here". We're treading on dangerous ground. When someone like Dareus' contract is up he might say to hell with Buffalo. All I have to do is say I don't want to be here and I'll get my way. If we tag Byrd again, that very same free agent might say I better take what I can get before I risk bring injured playing on two one year deals.
Kelly the Dog Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 I don't have a problem with the Bills playing this thing all the way out...Worse comes to worst they can pull the tag...I agree with what Kirby wrote back in this thread a bit...The teams unwilling to give up a pick right now are hoping Byrd is not tagged and they wont have to give up anything...I'm going to assume Parker is doing his best to muddy the waters there as well in hopes that Byrd can hit the open market which is the best case scenario for his client...IMHO the Bills should tag Byrd regardless...It seems pretty obvious it's the right thing to do at this point... I'm just getting the vibe they don't have the stomach for this anymore...Not to mention this is the Bills after all...And you know darn well they will sign a UFA Safety and try to spin it like that was the plan all along...Y'all have to know that is coming... It doesn't matter if they don't have the stomach for this anymore. If they are sick of Byrd and Parker and the circus they don't return their calls. And they still tag him and they still see if someone calls about a trade. And if there isn't one to be made for more than a 3rd or 4th, they drop the tag. Philly gave up a #1, a #4 and a #6 just for the right to pay Peters 10m (yes, I know this is a LT). The Falcons gave up a first just for the right to overpay Peerless Price. Someone may be equally or nearly as dumb or desperate. You do it because it's the best move to make for the team right now.
NastyNateSoldiers Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 If they are not willing to make him the highest paid safety in the league then Byrd is right to say go to hell. This franchise sucks and the only way he should stay is to pay top dollar. Whaley is a moron not to pay him top dollar. They have enough cap room to tag him now. They can remove the tag at anytime if they want. The tag will not limit their ability to spend in FA. It may be true that there is no good trade options but there is no reason to just let him walk for nothing. Do u really think Whaley has control over salaries, That's definitely not the case. The controlling factions of Ralphs money vault are Ladyman, OverDork & Russ Steer the Bus Brandon. All Whaley is, is a glorified drafter..
KOKBILLS Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Maybe so but I am going to guess that Byrd and his agent know what is in his best interests better than you or I. Byrd is willing to risk getting tagged rather than signing the contract being offered. It's all moot anyway. According to Buscaglia and NFL.com's Ian Rappaport, the Bill's aren't going to tag him. The report indicates that the Bill's gauged the trade market for him and turns out it's not any better than the 4th or 5th round compensatory pick they would get if they just let him walk. NFL.com They looked at a trade and despite all the Byrd trade fantasies regularly bandied about around here, it turns out no one was offering anything better than the compensatory pick in the 4th or 5th round we would get if we let him walk. And that shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Every team in the league knows we want to get rid of him so why on earth would they offer a top pick when the odds are that we would be releasing him? Well...I can easily be argued that is exactly why you go ahead and use the tag...The thing is there is likely at least one, if not two or three teams that want Byrd...So play it all the way out...And if you truly can't get anything for him after a Month of Free Agency remove the tag and let him go...But is it not at least worthwhile to see if someone gets desperate? What do the Bills have to lose? They have the cap space...They can still be a minor player in Free Agency...The only reason I can think of for the Bills to not tag Byrd and play this thing all the way out is if they already have his replacement in mind and want to get the guy the day Free Agency opens...
JPS Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 How is it that Byrd missing 6 games with plantar faciitis doesn't hurt him on the open market?
KOKBILLS Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 It doesn't matter if they don't have the stomach for this anymore. If they are sick of Byrd and Parker and the circus they don't return their calls. And they still tag him and they still see if someone calls about a trade. And if there isn't one to be made for more than a 3rd or 4th, they drop the tag. Philly gave up a #1, a #4 and a #6 just for the right to pay Peters 10m (yes, I know this is a LT). The Falcons gave up a first just for the right to overpay Peerless Price. Someone may be equally or nearly as dumb or desperate. You do it because it's the best move to make for the team right now. Oh I know all that...I'm just saying it seems they want to move on from the situation...And no matter what we all think is the best thing to do...If they want to move on they are going to move on...Not saying it's the right thing to do...In fact I think its' dumb not to at least tag him and play this thing out a little further...
1B4IDie Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 If we do not franchise him we are stupid. If we do not franchise anyone, we're even more stupid. I don't care if we franchise him and tell him to cover kicks all season - I am franchising his ass. I'll let him sit on IR if he fusses, too. It's not personal, it is business and if he doesn't want to contribute to my business then I deal with it at the time in which he shows he is unwilling. If we release him everyone is talking about getting a comp pick. That's just pathetic. If we address free agency at all this offseason - which is likely - and get an OL, a WR/TE, and maybe an MLB they will offset the comp pick to what would become a likely 5th round pick. That is if Byrd plays at a high level. If he doesn't, well, we get lower. There is no sense in not tagging Byrd. Tag Byrd and trade him if we must. Let the other team work out a long term deal. Word Franchise him just to send a message to Eugene Buffalo Basher Parker. !@#$ Eugene Parker.
KOKBILLS Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 How is it that Byrd missing 6 games with plantar faciitis doesn't hurt him on the open market? Great question!
Dean Cain Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Reading between the lines it appears Byrd wants a better offer from the Bills. What is top safety money? Byrd wants to be the highest paid safety.
Mickey Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 (edited) The compensatory pick talk is nonsense unless it means they are not going to sign anyone in FA. Last year they didnt get one when Levitre signed for his big contract because we signed Lawson, Branch, etc. I expect we will sign a few more of those caliber guys, and won't get anything more than a 6th or 7th for losing Byrd. Which is apparently as much or more than we could get in a trade: "The Bills initially believed there would be a trade market if they tagged Byrd and shopped his services, but the team has changed its stance in the past week. It's now believed to be unlikely a team would be willing to trade for Byrd, then sign him to a substantial long-term deal. Byrd, 27, becomes one of the hottest names on the free-agent market if he's not under contract by March 11. The three-time Pro Bowl pick ranked No. 3 on ATL's list of the top 101 free agents. The Bills would be pained to lose one of their best players for a compensation pick, but it might end up being their most sensible option." NFL.com Edited March 3, 2014 by Mickey
Welcome To Pegulavilla Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 I know the odds aren't in our favor that this all ends well but I say screw it lets play hardball and tag his ass. Lets send a clear and loud message that we run the show, we do what's best for the Bills, and that we'll let you leave ON OUR TERMS not Byrd's or Parker's. We're getting something out of this damn it.
marioc Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 (edited) I hope the Bills don't sign any new players represented by Mr. Parker. We'll develop them and lose them as soon as their stock rises Edited March 3, 2014 by marioc
Mickey Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Well...I can easily be argued that is exactly why you go ahead and use the tag...The thing is there is likely at least one, if not two or three teams that want Byrd...So play it all the way out...And if you truly can't get anything for him after a Month of Free Agency remove the tag and let him go...But is it not at least worthwhile to see if someone gets desperate? What do the Bills have to lose? They have the cap space...They can still be a minor player in Free Agency...The only reason I can think of for the Bills to not tag Byrd and play this thing all the way out is if they already have his replacement in mind and want to get the guy the day Free Agency opens... Wouldn't they be tying up all that cap money if they tagged him? The best FA's are often gone at the very start of the free agent signing period. I know the odds aren't in our favor that this all ends well but I say screw it lets play hardball and tag his ass. Lets send a clear and loud message that we run the show, we do what's best for the Bills, and that we'll let you leave ON OUR TERMS not Byrd's or Parker's. We're getting something out of this damn it. A desperate futile gesture doesn't demonstrate that you are running the show, quite the opposite.
Kellyto83TD Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 It's a TERRIBLE option for the player. For Byrd this season, it means he gets 8m guaranteed instead of 25-30m guaranteed. Who cares? I care about the BILLS as a whole, not one player. The Franchise tag is a tool to assist the franchise I say tag his ass and tell him tough ****. If he wants out that bad his agent better get on the horn to Cleveland and tell them pony up a pick or two
Mickey Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Word Franchise him just to send a message to Eugene Buffalo Basher Parker. !@#$ Eugene Parker. An 8.4 million dollar message? What is the message? "We are stupid and we are really mad, so here is $8.4 million dollars for one more lousy year on our roster, bwahahahah."
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