Fan in Chicago Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 I do not agree with our having to pay excessive amounts for "Tiny Tim" Levitre. He was a finess, good-feet pass blocker and by 20 pounds the lightest guy on the o-line. He could not get push on the big nose tackles in our division and does not fit the power running game that Marrone is putting in place here. We can differ on our opinion regarding Levitre, but note that I also wrote "or a good replacement obtained"
NoSaint Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 i will say, hitting unrestricted free agency is something im curious to see after this all --- itll be interesting to see what he gets vs what we have speculated he might. 12m would surprise me, but with the big cap jump and spending floors, we might see some surprising numbers on guys
boyst Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 And then...? combo #4 no tomatoes. Baja blast. No ice. Two loaded potato grillers, one chalupa, and one chicken quesidialia
Kipers Hair Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 All he needs is one team to pay him more than Buffalo offered to validate his position...and I am sure he will get that.
Justice Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 I believe he will sign for less money than anticipated here. He just wants out of Buffalo.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 What seems to missing from this discussion is the larger context of the league. I may be wrong, but I'm presuming Byrd has indicated that he'll sit out 10 if he's tagged. I wouldn't blame him either given the context. What I'm referring to is the league's cap situation. It went up a lot - to $133-134 million, and teams have to spend up to 89 percent of the cap. There are a lot of teams which are quite far under this amount, and some of those teams see themselves as "almost there" in terms of competitiveness. They have to spend their money somehow, and it's always better to spend it on elite players who are difference makers. In virtually every account I've read, Byrd is regarded as a top-3 FA prospect. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets $12 million per year from some team, with a hefty amount of it guaranteed ($25-30 million). What the Bills offer with the franchise tag is a mere $8.4 million -- a LOT less. Plus he knows that the Bills can't franchise him next year because they'd have to pay him QB franchise money. So, the plan would be to sit out 10 games, show up for the rest, and then get out of town. He'll get paid next year too. The fact that he sat out for the Bills will not be held against him despite what people here might hope. which means that they should let him walk, no? i don't think you pay a guy $2m more than you think he's worth because you have cap space. i don't even think you tag a guy for $8.4 when you figure he's going to potentially sit 8, 9, or 10 games. i think the bills organization is rightly criticized for years on inpetitude, and perhaps byrd's thought is 'screw 'em, thime to go'. if so, you get what you get. on the other hand, it's become failry clear to me that it's not as simple as "pay him" or "tag and trade'. if it was that simple, it would be done, one way or the other. my read---they understand intelectually that it makes sense for a player to have a long term deal v. a franchise tag, but from where the rubber hits the road---they guy was late to the practice field, missed a large part of the season and it still cost millions. perhaps they feel he was dogging it, and while understandable last year...why bash your head against the wall all over again? Why go down that road when you can see itn playing out that way again? as for byrd--the compassionate human being inside of me understands what he's thinking, and it's far from personal. the football fan side of me thinks if he goes after they offered him a substantial deal that seems to make sense--he's a mercenary and it's a waste of time to think any more about it other than to wish him bad football mojo wherever he goes.
RealityCheck Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 combo #4 no tomatoes. Baja blast. No ice. Two loaded potato grillers, one chalupa, and one chicken quesidialia ...and then........?
dave mcbride Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 yes it would because he won't be ready to play, his teammates (while normally want a player to get what he can) would think he screwed them, the team will likely play the last few games out of the playoffs and he won't look nearly like a 12 million a year player. I think it could hurt him substantially. I think he threatens to sit out but doesnt. His teammates will not think he screwed them. They understand it's a business.
Kelly the Dog Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 His teammates will not think he screwed them. They understand it's a business. Up to a point, and as you know I stated they normally do support players getting as much as they can. It's impossible for either of us to know, but to me, him sitting out for ten games is a pisspot move. He would make more money if he plays. They understand the business, sure, but this wouldn't be about getting more money for himself, which they all want to see. This is about deliberately hurting the team and walking away. Me thinks he gets more money if he plays, and if they tag him, i think he plays. Maybe miss a game or two.
boyst Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 ...and then........? ooh ooh. Tough one. I'd like to buy a vowel?
K-9 Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 It would be stupid to just let Byrd walk. It's time to Tag and Trade. Tell his agent to find a trading partner. There will be teams interested in trading once he gets the tag. No team is going to show interest at this point since they are waiting to see if they can get him without compensation. I would ask for a late first or an early second. There are plenty of teams with a need for safety that would be willing to deal. His agent spent all last offseason trying to find a trading partner. The only offer was a 4th from Minnesota. I don't think the market for Byrd is as vast as everyone thinks it is. But all it takes is one team and I have a hunch Parker knows who that team is. GO BILLS!!!
Dean Cain Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 His agent spent all last offseason trying to find a trading partner. The only offer was a 4th from Minnesota. I don't think the market for Byrd is as vast as everyone thinks it is. But all it takes is one team and I have a hunch Parker knows who that team is. GO BILLS!!! I strongly believe that the Eagles will go hard for Byrd.
PromoTheRobot Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 parker is schooling russ again. Yes, by refusing to agree to any offer the Bills make. What is the lesson here? Don't negotiate with a dick?
section122 Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 there is a big reason......what if Byrd plays his 100% healthy games....only this time he misses 8-10 games, shows up sometime before week 10 and then goes out again late season. then you've paid $8.4 mil for half a season or less. plus the distraction of everyone talking about the bills and byrd in a negative way. I really can't see him sitting out and blaming health as the reason. This would be huge detriment to him going into next years free agency. Back to back years with injuries does not get someone a huge multi-year deal. If he does plain sit out then the contract will be pro rated for the games he signs for. The reason he got the full deal last year is he signed it before the 1st game so as not to lose any money.
bobinaz Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Ed Werder (maybe not so credible) is reporting that it's not true that Byrd turned downt the $30million offer from Bills. Maybe fodder coming from Parker camp to make Bills look bad. Too much speculation going on here. Does anyone know the real poop out there?
Heitz Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Here's the tweet: Ed Werder @Edwerderespn I'm told that it is not true that Bills safety Jairus Byrd turned down $30 million guaranteed to remain in Buffalo. They're talking about this now on Sirius, but no new insight.
1billsfan Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 His teammates will not think he screwed them. They understand it's a business. Remember that the majority of players on the Bills are making peanuts compared to a 9-10 million dollar a year contract. Now, if it comes out that Byrd was offered a 9-10 million dollar a year contract by the Bills making him the highest payed safety in the league and Byrd pulls a half season long disappearing act...I'm thinking that he's definitely going to get some blowback from his teammates. He certainly isn't going to be getting any sympathy from them. Having said that, if the Bills turn the corner in a serious way this year there's the chance Byrd's chilliness starts to melt and he really wants to stay after all. That can happen as well.
KevinInThe781 Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Here's the tweet: Ed Werder @Edwerderespn I'm told that it is not true that Bills safety Jairus Byrd turned down $30 million guaranteed to remain in Buffalo. They're talking about this now on Sirius, but no new insight. JW's response to Ed is worth including too - John Wawrow @john_wawrow 11m @Edwerderespn uhh, who reported $30 million guaranteed, or the fact Byrd turned it down.
Kelly the Dog Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Ed Werder (maybe not so credible) is reporting that it's not true that Byrd turned downt the $30million offer from Bills. Maybe fodder coming from Parker camp to make Bills look bad. Too much speculation going on here. Does anyone know the real poop out there? People need to read closely and think for ten seconds. The report yesterday was that the Bills offered $30m over three years. That was not the total length of the contract, and it was not guaranteed 30m, it was just 30m over the first three years. Werder just said that what Byrd turned down was not $30m guaranteed. That's consistent with yesterday's report, it simply clarifies it more.
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