papazoid Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 chris brown is a paid mouthpiece. attempting to sell the notion the bills have no dire positional needs is delusional.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 Do you agree? I think Chris Brown should stop smoking crack at work Though I suppose it depends upon how one defines "dire positional need". I would say the Bills 2013-14 run defense, in the aggregate, amounts to a "dire positional need"
boyst Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 You're reading too much into a standard issue, pre-draft, disinformation piece. GO BILLS!!! You're giving Chris Brown too much credit by issuing a disinformation piece. Maybe back in the day, 20 years ago, teams would attempt to do this but with today's coverage, analytic info and 24/7 information available I would imagine teams don't spend much time trying to send out disinformation. Honestly, if you want to know much about the Buffalo Bills which site would you use: ESPN BuffaloBills.com TwoBillsDrive & Forums Buffalo News
Bronc24 Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 I am an EJ supporter, but I wonder if I have "anyone but Fitz" disease. He had moments in 2013, but I would submit that unless we see serious improvement this season, the QB position is truly a "dire need".
RuntheDamnBall Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 You're giving Chris Brown too much credit by issuing a disinformation piece. Maybe back in the day, 20 years ago, teams would attempt to do this but with today's coverage, analytic info and 24/7 information available I would imagine teams don't spend much time trying to send out disinformation. You're kidding, right? Buffalobills.com, or baltimoreravens.com, or denverbroncos.com or any of these sites exist to promote product. Of course they put out disinformation pieces. These sites are there to drum up interest. They may be selectively critical to be able to inoculate themselves against charges of complete homerism, but they are there for no other reason than to act as an extension from the team's PR department to the casual fan.
boyst Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 You're kidding, right? Buffalobills.com, or baltimoreravens.com, or denverbroncos.com or any of these sites exist to promote product. Of course they put out disinformation pieces. These sites are there to drum up interest. They may be selectively critical to be able to inoculate themselves against charges of complete homerism, but they are there for no other reason than to act as an extension from the team's PR department to the casual fan. Not kidding. I don't mean simply depth charts, or how running back B is feeling after offseason rest, or such fluff pieces. Few team sites actually promote more then just homerism and delve in to real analysis. Forums and fan sites do much more of this.
KOKBILLS Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 Do you agree? http://www.buffalobi...b9-f9208ec14e72 I'd say LG and one right side lineman are dire as is LB. What say you? Not dire, but obvious needs exist at WR (the players may be on the roster but they haven't proven it yet) and TE. I can't see how it's possible that a 6-10 team has no dire needs...There's got to be a couple...I think LG would definitely be one...And a true #1 WR would be another...
billsfan89 Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 Dire needs is relative, but I would say Tight End, OLB, CB and LG are some pretty heavy areas of need. The team could also use upgrades at WR, RT, and possibly FS if Byrd is traded or allowed to walk.
Dragonborn10 Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 This team has several dire needs. Hell they may have a dire need for two linebackers not just one. They need two linemen unless Hiarston is healthy. They need a starting TE. They need another WR. They need another DB. They need a third RB.
thewildrabbit Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 That Steelers game was really, really painful as well. Yea man, I recall. Its games like these against poor opponents that stand out to me so vividly. If the Bills look so completely inept against bad teams, then how on earth would they look against the very best, 49ers, Seattle, Denver. There was a reason why the team was 6-10. In the fourth quarter with the game on the line they can't control anything!! They beat the Panthers by one point. They beat the Ravens by 3 points. They beat the Dolphins by 2 points. They won 3 early games by a total of 6 points. In week 10 the Pittsburgh Steelers were a bad 3-6 team and their season reeling away. They play the Bills and manhandle the Bills O line in every aspect. Not only were the Bills unable to run or pass, as it was constant 3 downs and out. EJ was only sacked 3 times, but he had a very difficult time against a bad defense. EJ 22-39 for 155, and most of those yards at the end of the game in garbage time. Spiller 8 for 23 yards. Jackson 12 for 55 yards. In week 14 the 4-10 Tampa Bay Bucs was another debacle as EJ was intercepted 4x, 18 of 33 for 184 yards. Spiller 11 rushes for 22 yards, Jackson 5 rushes for 12 yards. It was a pathetic effort all around by that Bills O line. Like I said earlier, the Bills managed to find some top talent in free agency and in a trade for the defense last season leaves me to believe they can easily find another LBer or two the very same way. OTOH, look what happened when they tried to replace the LG! They ended up cutting both the starting replacement at G and the back up by week 6. They were exceedingly lucky to have the backup center available to step in at LG for the remaining games. Even then the backups were directly off the waiver wire. Would you want to finish the season with scrubs like those on the defense? Three of the five starters on that line should be quantified as backups, and replaced by three quality starting players. 16th in run blocking, 28th in pass blocking, and one of the very worst teams in sustaining offensive drives. They only had 10 drives that lasted 5 min or more all season. yet so many fans clamoring for skill players.... It boggles my mind. The Bills have at least two dire needs for that O line, possibly three. Look at this chart, 3 below average starters https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/02/13/projected-lineups-buffalo-bills/ I can't see how it's possible that a 6-10 team has no dire needs...There's got to be a couple...I think LG would definitely be one...And a true #1 WR would be another...
machine gun kelly Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 Offensive Line - Dire Run Stopping LB - Dire Big Outside WR - Need TE - Potential Need Corner - Depth All else, wherever they can upgrade - they should and build some freaking depth... YES! Nuff said.
RuntheDamnBall Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 Yea man, I recall. Its games like these against poor opponents that stand out to me so vividly. If the Bills look so completely inept against bad teams, then how on earth would they look against the very best, 49ers, Seattle, Denver. There was a reason why the team was 6-10. In the fourth quarter with the game on the line they can't control anything!! They beat the Panthers by one point. They beat the Ravens by 3 points. They beat the Dolphins by 2 points. They won 3 early games by a total of 6 points. In week 10 the Pittsburgh Steelers were a bad 3-6 team and their season reeling away. They play the Bills and manhandle the Bills O line in every aspect. Not only were the Bills unable to run or pass, as it was constant 3 downs and out. EJ was only sacked 3 times, but he had a very difficult time against a bad defense. EJ 22-39 for 155, and most of those yards at the end of the game in garbage time. Spiller 8 for 23 yards. Jackson 12 for 55 yards. In week 14 the 4-10 Tampa Bay Bucs was another debacle as EJ was intercepted 4x, 18 of 33 for 184 yards. Spiller 11 rushes for 22 yards, Jackson 5 rushes for 12 yards. It was a pathetic effort all around by that Bills O line. Like I said earlier, the Bills managed to find some top talent in free agency and in a trade for the defense last season leaves me to believe they can easily find another LBer or two the very same way. OTOH, look what happened when they tried to replace the LG! They ended up cutting both the starting replacement at G and the back up by week 6. They were exceedingly lucky to have the backup center available to step in at LG for the remaining games. Even then the backups were directly off the waiver wire. Would you want to finish the season with scrubs like those on the defense? Three of the five starters on that line should be quantified as backups, and replaced by three quality starting players. 16th in run blocking, 28th in pass blocking, and one of the very worst teams in sustaining offensive drives. They only had 10 drives that lasted 5 min or more all season. yet so many fans clamoring for skill players.... It boggles my mind. The Bills have at least two dire needs for that O line, possibly three. Look at this chart, 3 below average starters https://www.profootb...-buffalo-bills/ I think this is an interesting chart... I disagree on Wood, though. I think he'd be in the green. Also, Byrd is under team control and is top-5, so #1 need can't possibly be FS until he is no longer a Bill. I would still say that LG ranks higher on this list, because Pears is more serviceable than Legursky.
YoloinOhio Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 Yea man, I recall. Its games like these against poor opponents that stand out to me so vividly. If the Bills look so completely inept against bad teams, then how on earth would they look against the very best, 49ers, Seattle, Denver. There was a reason why the team was 6-10. In the fourth quarter with the game on the line they can't control anything!! They beat the Panthers by one point. They beat the Ravens by 3 points. They beat the Dolphins by 2 points. They won 3 early games by a total of 6 points. In week 10 the Pittsburgh Steelers were a bad 3-6 team and their season reeling away. They play the Bills and manhandle the Bills O line in every aspect. Not only were the Bills unable to run or pass, as it was constant 3 downs and out. EJ was only sacked 3 times, but he had a very difficult time against a bad defense. EJ 22-39 for 155, and most of those yards at the end of the game in garbage time. Spiller 8 for 23 yards. Jackson 12 for 55 yards. In week 14 the 4-10 Tampa Bay Bucs was another debacle as EJ was intercepted 4x, 18 of 33 for 184 yards. Spiller 11 rushes for 22 yards, Jackson 5 rushes for 12 yards. It was a pathetic effort all around by that Bills O line. Like I said earlier, the Bills managed to find some top talent in free agency and in a trade for the defense last season leaves me to believe they can easily find another LBer or two the very same way. OTOH, look what happened when they tried to replace the LG! They ended up cutting both the starting replacement at G and the back up by week 6. They were exceedingly lucky to have the backup center available to step in at LG for the remaining games. Even then the backups were directly off the waiver wire. Would you want to finish the season with scrubs like those on the defense? Three of the five starters on that line should be quantified as backups, and replaced by three quality starting players. 16th in run blocking, 28th in pass blocking, and one of the very worst teams in sustaining offensive drives. They only had 10 drives that lasted 5 min or more all season. yet so many fans clamoring for skill players.... It boggles my mind. The Bills have at least two dire needs for that O line, possibly three. Look at this chart, 3 below average starters https://www.profootb...-buffalo-bills/ We discussed this chart in another thread, but my understanding of it is a dire need would equate to names in the red. We have none. If you look at other teams, they do have names in the red. Take PFF FWIW, but that is what CB is talking about as "dire need." W1 is not a "dire need" - it is a position that needs upgraded. I just think fans look at this term and read into it differently than a FO does.
KOKBILLS Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 We discussed this chart in another thread, but my understanding of it is a dire need would equate to names in the red. We have none. If you look at other teams, they do have names in the red. Take PFF FWIW, but that is what CB is talking about as "dire need." W1 is not a "dire need" - it is a position that needs upgraded. I just think fans look at this term and read into it differently than a FO does. So the distinction is basically the word "dire" right? Because the Bills obviously have big needs...Or at the very least have positions that could use a big-time upgrade...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 We discussed this chart in another thread, but my understanding of it is a dire need would equate to names in the red. We have none. If you look at other teams, they do have names in the red. Take PFF FWIW, but that is what CB is talking about as "dire need." W1 is not a "dire need" - it is a position that needs upgraded. I just think fans look at this term and read into it differently than a FO does. I think you are right and naturally every team thinks that their weakest positions are "dire needs." It's a semantical argument but I don't think that you can have dire needs at certain positions. I really like Brian Moorman for example but he is done. Punter is a weakness but not a dire need. If you go into the season with Moorman you are worse off but it is not going to drastically alter your record.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 We have multiple positions that definitely could use an upgrade. However, i'd say that we do have 2 dire needs that we simply cannot walk away from this offseason without getting significant upgrades. LG and TE. What about WR?
papazoid Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 chris brown is a paid mouthpiece. attempting to sell the notion the bills have no dire positional needs is delusional. the spin machine selling "hope" for 2014 is cranking up. a Franchise QB is "DIRE" !!!!!! EJ is mediocre. a LG is "dire" !!!!! legursky ??? are you kidding me ?? a TE is "dire" !!!! lee smith ??? are you kidding me ??
Sisyphean Bills Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 So the distinction is basically the word "dire" right? Because the Bills obviously have big needs...Or at the very least have positions that could use a big-time upgrade... Maybe the definition is something like: if there is a name penciled in at every starting spot, then there are "almost dire needs." To be fair though, when has the company line been anything other than that the team has more talent now [than when the last guy was here]? Meanwhile, they haven't reached as many wins as a Dick Jauron team yet.
GA BILLS FAN Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 Do you agree? http://www.buffalobi...b9-f9208ec14e72 I'd say LG and one right side lineman are dire as is LB. What say you? Not dire, but obvious needs exist at WR (the players may be on the roster but they haven't proven it yet) and TE. Definitely LG is a DIRE need. The others ILB, CB, TE and RT are in need of upgrades
K-9 Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 You're giving Chris Brown too much credit by issuing a disinformation piece. Maybe back in the day, 20 years ago, teams would attempt to do this but with today's coverage, analytic info and 24/7 information available I would imagine teams don't spend much time trying to send out disinformation. Honestly, if you want to know much about the Buffalo Bills which site would you use: ESPN BuffaloBills.com TwoBillsDrive & Forums Buffalo News I was being facetious. And although there is a much heavier stream of information from infinitely more sources nowadays, it's often easier to manipulate it as a result. GO BILLS!!!
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