birdog1960 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) You'll have to remind me of which part of The Prince detailed how reset buttons and a generally pathetic foreign policy consisting of imaginary red lines and empty bluster is the best way to lure a foe into invading their neighbor resulting in a short term shock to their capital markets. the ends...once again you miss the forest. perhaps you have a clearer crystal ball than the forbes russian economic expert but he doesn't think it ends well for the russian economy. Edited March 4, 2014 by birdog1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) Why the hell do ya'll respond to gatortroll? Ya'll knock on ...lybob and Birddog but they never get mixed up with the idiot. Not even RLB sinks to Gator's level. It's one thing to provide a counter to what is common here as ...lybob and Birddog try/do and it is fun to watch RLB get involved. But, Gator serves no purpose then to get a rise and ya'll let him. Edited March 4, 2014 by jboyst62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 the ends...once again you miss the forest. perhaps you have a clearer crystal ball than the forbes russian economic expert but he doesn't think it ends well for the russian economy. I'll set aside the anachronism for now and ask how in the hell you interpret 5 years of failed dealings with Russia and then lucking into a "catastrophic" short term shock to their capital markets as Machiavellian? Where does Machiavelli champion dumb luck bailing out incompetence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) I'll set aside the anachronism for now and ask how in the hell you interpret 5 years of failed dealings with Russia and then lucking into a "catastrophic" short term shock to their capital markets as Machiavellian? Where does Machiavelli champion dumb luck bailing out incompetence? who is being dumb here? i'd say putin. give the man enough rope...maybe obama saw that in him. it certainly seemed a reasonable theory to me. and again, what would be the response in the west to an 11% one day drop in equities in the us markets? what was the biggest one day drop in 2008? how'd that year play out for our prestige, economic power and reserve currency stability? ya think it can't happen to russia? is the g8 meaningless? here you go. it's a very similar drop on 10/29/29: http://en.wikipedia....ustrial_Average Edited March 4, 2014 by birdog1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted March 4, 2014 Author Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) who is being dumb here? i'd say putin. give the man enough rope...maybe obama saw that in him. it certainly seemed a reasonable theory to me. and again, what would be the response in the west to an 11% one day drop in equities in the us markets? what was the biggest one day drop in 2008? how'd that year play out for our prestige, economic power and reserve currency stability? ya think it can't happen to russia? is the g8 meaningless? here you go. it's avery similar drop on 10/13/08: http://en.wikipedia....ustrial_Average Yes that was all part of his master plan. Of course what's even dumber is you thinking that the MICEX is the same as the DJIA in terms of importance. Those EM indices are sure known for their stability and lack of volatility. Edited March 4, 2014 by meazza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Yes that was all part of his master plan. i'm interested in your prediction for tbe russian economy should they continue invading ukraine. i'll go on record agreeing with the forbes writer. you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted March 4, 2014 Author Share Posted March 4, 2014 i'm interested in your prediction for tbe russian economy should they continue invading ukraine. i'll go on record agreeing with the forbes writer. you? I'll go on saying two things 1) Given the level of inequality in Russia, I don't think Putin gives a !@#$ about the stock market. 2) The MICEX and Russian assets in general are highly volatile. But you've been wrong many times so who cares really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) I'll go on saying two things 1) Given the level of inequality in Russia, I don't think Putin gives a !@#$ about the stock market. 2) The MICEX and Russian assets in general are highly volatile. But you've been wrong many times so who cares really? well that's pretty noncommittal. it's easy to not be wrong with such daring predictions. there's volatility and then there's this: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-03/russian-micex-set-for-biggest-drop-since-2009-on-ukraine-tension.html Edited March 4, 2014 by birdog1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) Check out this video. This series of vice news updates looks solid. https://news.vice.com/video/russian-roulette-the-invasion-of-ukraine-dispatch-one?trk_source=homepage-lede Edited March 4, 2014 by Ryan L Billz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Apparently (according to Aljazeera, no link), Angela Merkel spoke to Obama after calling Putin and reportedly said Putin has lost touch with reality. She was quoted as saying something along the lines of "he doesn't know what planet he's on." It's coming from sources inside the White House so take it with a grain of salt. But if true, that's chilling considering the source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 it's not vice news but what the hey, linky http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10673235/Ukraine-crisis-Angry-Angela-Merkel-questions-whether-Putin-is-in-touch-with-reality.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Apparently (according to Aljazeera, no link), Angela Merkel spoke to Obama after calling Putin and reportedly said Putin has lost touch with reality. She was quoted as saying something along the lines of "he doesn't know what planet he's on." It's coming from sources inside the White House so take it with a grain of salt. But if true, that's chilling considering the source. NYT has the same quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted March 4, 2014 Author Share Posted March 4, 2014 Apparently (according to Aljazeera, no link), Angela Merkel spoke to Obama after calling Putin and reportedly said Putin has lost touch with reality. She was quoted as saying something along the lines of "he doesn't know what planet he's on." It's coming from sources inside the White House so take it with a grain of salt. But if true, that's chilling considering the source. Apparently (according to Aljazeera, no link), Angela Merkel spoke to Obama after calling Putin and reportedly said Putin has lost touch with reality. She was quoted as saying something along the lines of "he doesn't know what planet he's on." It's coming from sources inside the White House so take it with a grain of salt. But if true, that's chilling considering the source. Odd I always thought the Russians were a stable and rational people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Odd I always thought the Russians were a stable and rational people. why would you think that? even the olympic opening ceremonies illustrated otherwise...and their market is highly volatile! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 well that's pretty noncommittal. it's easy to not be wrong with such daring predictions. there's volatility and then there's this: http://www.bloomberg...ne-tension.html The fatal flaw in your analysis being the assumption that Putin gives a ****. Hell, Gazprom probably takes payment in Euros, so a weakened ruble might actually benefit them. I should have said "one of" the fatal flaws. The other being that the Dow fell 150 points today (and down as much as 250 intra-day), which by your asinine logic would indicate that's an indictment of Obama's policies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 The fatal flaw in your analysis being the assumption that Putin gives a ****. Hell, Gazprom probably takes payment in Euros, so a weakened ruble might actually benefit them. I should have said "one of" the fatal flaws. The other being that the Dow fell 150 points today (and down as much as 250 intra-day), which by your asinine logic would indicate that's an indictment of Obama's policies. well your analogy is only off by a factor of 10. so there's that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) BRET STEPHENS: Anatomy Of A Feckless Presidency: Gone are the days when the American president was capable of articulating the American interest. You have to believe in it, to be able to articulate it. Plus: “Mr. Putin’s Russia is a petro-oligarchy whose survival depends on high oil prices and privileged access to the West for the politically connected elite. Raise interest rates, investigate the finances of Mr. Putin’s inner circle, impose travel bans on Putin’s cronies and broaden the scope of the Magnitsky Act, and we’ll see just how resilient the Moscow regime really is. Start coastal drilling and oil exports. And if the NSA doesn’t know where Putin’s offshore money is parked, it should be abolished. USA TODAY: “Perhaps the most surprising thing about Russia’s weekend invasion of Crimea is that the U.S. and its allies were caught so flat-footed, groping for a response that didn’t look weak and ineffectual.” Um, at this point, is that really surprising? . Edited March 4, 2014 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 http://scrappleface.com/2014/03/03/troops-in-crimea-merely-fetching-stray-sochi-dogs/ (2014-03-03) — Russian President Vladimir Putin scoffed at President Barack Obama’s suggestion that Russian troops invaded the Crimea region of Ukraine over the weekend, insisting volunteers went on a “mission of mercy” to retrieve stray dogs from Sochi. “Obama knows nothing of our Russian compassion,” said Mr. Putin, as the former KGB boss suckled a rescued puppy at the bosom of his pet tiger. “The Olympic tourists disturbed our beloved freedom dogs, some of which ran far away, to Crimea.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted March 4, 2014 Author Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/03/03/andrew-coyne-russia-enabled-by-wests-foreign-policies-of-vacillation-uncertainty/ Well, that’s not fair. A leading British anti-war organization, Stop The War, issued a release that not only refrained from criticizing Russian President Vladimir Putin’s decision to invade Ukraine, but blamed the whole crisis squarely on the West. It was the U.S. and Europe, it said, which “ever since the end of the Cold War … have been intent on surrounding Russia with military bases and puppet regimes sympathetic to the West.” A scholar of Russian history, Stephen Cohen, went on TV to argue forcefully that “Putin had no choice." Online, arguments that a civilized world cannot permit countries simply to carve off bits of each other at will were met with the usual hail of false equivalencies — what about the invasion of Iraq, then? What about the 1999 NATO bombing campaign in Kosovo? What about Israel’s “occupation” of the West Bank? George Orwell argued pacifists are the objective allies of tyrants. He probably never imagined they would become their PR reps. ” Edited March 4, 2014 by meazza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 "Let’s be real. It’s one thing to say that Russia’s takeover of the Crimean Peninsula “cannot be allowed to stand,” as many foreign policy sages have proclaimed. It’s quite another to do something about it. Is it just me, or does the rhetoric about the crisis in Ukraine sound as if all of Washington is suffering from amnesia? We’re supposed to be shocked — shocked! — that a great military power would cook up a pretext to invade a smaller, weaker nation? I’m sorry, but has everyone forgotten the unfortunate events in Iraq a few years ago?" http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eugene-robinson-with-ukraine-crisis-the-us-has-a-credibility-problem/2014/03/03/f8f6a58a-a311-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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