Jonathan Martin

[Dopey]

Bring back Richie. History of success as a guard and never had drama playing with Wood and those guys. It's obviously the better choice than a horrible young guy with drama issues.

Funny how these "drama issues" only surfaced when an psychologically a-hole like RI started harassing him. Not all blacks like to be called Ni*ger or 1/2 ni*ger. He stood up to it in his own way. Had he punched RI in the face instead, he would have lowered himself to that a-hole's level. But then again there are a bunch of keyboard tough guys here who swear they would have beat his a** . Right!!!

 

There's a hint of she shouldn't have been dressed like that here. Not strong but a hint.

That's a good one.

[Dorkington]

Martin would be good depth. I don't think he's a distraction as long as we don't have a line full of aggressive bigots.

[billsfan1959]

Martin would be terribly hurt if he read what some posters here wrote about him...

[thebandit27]

I just don't know how anyone gets past the fact that this guy isn't a good football player.

 

He's been lost out there...he would be a downgrade from any of the 3 OTs currently under contract.

[C.Biscuit97]

I just don't know how anyone gets past the fact that this guy isn't a good football player.

 

He's been lost out there...he would be a downgrade from any of the 3 OTs currently under contract.

 

Bandit, you're a poster I respect a lot. But I seem to remember he as being fairly decent as rookie. Not great, but had the ups and downs of most rookies. I know he was a disaster at LT but I wonder how most people would operate next to someone they can't stand. Just curious if you had some breakdown of him as a rookie RT.

[Maybe Someday]

I just don't know how anyone gets past the fact that this guy isn't a good football player.

 

He's been lost out there...he would be a downgrade from any of the 3 OTs currently under contract.

Because the sample size is really only his rookie year and many first year players struggle. We have no way of knowing what kind of affect everything that was going on had on his play last year but I suspect it did have an impact. I think a lot of people here believe that when/if he gets his head right...aka no longer has to play alongside RI or someone like him...that he can become a serviceable player. We don’t want to see the Bills make no effort and then watch Martin go onto a successful career. I think it's at least worth a shot to see. There is a possibility that we can get a decent player, even if only for depth, without having to use a draft pick.

[FireChan]

 

Funny how these "drama issues" only surfaced when an psychologically a-hole like RI started harassing him. Not all blacks like to be called Ni*ger or 1/2 ni*ger. He stood up to it in his own way. Had he punched RI in the face instead, he would have lowered himself to that a-hole's level. But then again there are a bunch of keyboard tough guys here who swear they would have beat his a** . Right!!!

 

 

That's a good one.

 

Richie Incognito might be a scumbag but nothing like this has ever happened before in the history of the NFL. Do I think Richie is the worst human being to ever play football? No. Do I think Martin might be the only one to quit on a team? Yes.

 

Dolphins players defending Richie. Wood said he's a loudmouth push the envelope guy. That's damning in itself on Martin.

Edited January 29, 2014 by FireChan

[1B4IDie]

Bandit, you're a poster I respect a lot. But I seem to remember he as being fairly decent as rookie. Not great, but had the ups and downs of most rookies. I know he was a disaster at LT but I wonder how most people would operate next to someone they can't stand. Just curious if you had some breakdown of him as a rookie RT.

You hate Incongnito. Awesome for you.

That doesn't mean Martin is any good at playing NFL football. Its such a strange crusade you're on . . .

[thebandit27]

Bandit, you're a poster I respect a lot. But I seem to remember he as being fairly decent as rookie. Not great, but had the ups and downs of most rookies. I know he was a disaster at LT but I wonder how most people would operate next to someone they can't stand. Just curious if you had some breakdown of him as a rookie RT.

 

As always, I operate using the eyeball test...here's a few reviews of his rookie season though:

 

PFF Review:

https://www.profootb...recap-afc-east/

 

It was a tough season for Martin regardless of which side he lined up. His -22.0 grade placed him 76th out of the top 80 tackles and his 92.0 PBE ranked 50th out of 52. His five starts at left tackle came after starter Jake Long went down to injury and with Long’s pending free agent status, Martin may stay there long term. No matter which side he plays, Martin must show improvement after a difficult rookie campaign.

 

Film breakdown by Ben Muth (one of the best OL analysts out there IMO):

http://www.footballo...ure-no-openings

 

And, amazingly, rookie left tackle Jonathan Martin recognized a blitz by safety Derrick Martin, slid out to pick him up, and still got beat. Yes, Derrick Martin, giving up 100-plus pounds, drove Jonathan Martin backwards before shedding him for a sack

 

More analysis:

[it's a Bleacher Report article...not sure why I cannot post it...]

Edited January 29, 2014 by thebandit27

[GG]

More analysis:

[it's a Bleacher Report article...not sure why I cannot post it...]

 

Because it's a BR article.

[3rdand12]

 

 

Behavioral problems? That's exactly what I would like to see on the Bills offensive line. Bully's, bad attitudes, and a-holes.

Like Lee Smith you mean ?

 

It's up to Marrone if the price is ok, but at RT or either G . He will want to prove himself next season.

If he wants to be a player in the NFL , he has A lot to prove Edited January 29, 2014 by 3rdand12

[BarleyNY]

Define "good player" because I'm pretty sure he was bordering on terrible

 

Yup. How about a choice for "No because he's not a good player."?

[3rdand12]

 

Because the sample size is really only his rookie year and many first year players struggle. We have no way of knowing what kind of affect everything that was going on had on his play last year but I suspect it did have an impact. I think a lot of people here believe that when/if he gets his head right...aka no longer has to play alongside RI or someone like him...that he can become a serviceable player. We don’t want to see the Bills make no effort and then watch Martin go onto a successful career. I think it's at least worth a shot to see. There is a possibility that we can get a decent player, even if only for depth, without having to use a draft pick.

If only because he was in the second round. More than one person thought the kid had potential in the NFL.

 

My vote is a resounding NO if it costs money.

I dont care if they sound him out , give him a tryout .

Martin has alot to overcome and is at best a longshot Biscuit.

If the field thins and Hairston cant play anymore ?? well we better look in nooks and crannies.

Pears is getting older fast and we have no proven backup. Much less potential upgrade in hand or bush !

We cant sleep on this position thats for sure

Edited January 29, 2014 by 3rdand12

[BUFFALOKIE]

I'd rather have Richie Incognito back, seriously. Just don't make him a captain, he's better then anyone that played guard for us this year.

 

+1

[Bob Malooga]

Wouldn't cost a lot to see what he has...if he doesn't fit, cut him.

 

We've seen this team take much bigger/worse risks than this.

 

 

(Not to mention, the fact Buffalo's locker room IS so strong would be good thing for him.)

 

EDIT: and now that I see the suggestion of Incognito at OG, I'll say my comment is for either...one or the other.

Edited January 29, 2014 by Bob Malooga

[Pete]

No way. He doesn't have the mental makeup for the game. He sounded like he was despondent. And he wasn't that great a player. I just hope he gets well

Edited January 29, 2014 by Pete

[Dopey]

Richie Incognito might be a scumbag but nothing like this has ever happened before in the history of the NFL. Do I think Richie is the worst human being to ever play football? No. Do I think Martin might be the only one to quit on a team? Yes.

 

Dolphins players defending Richie. Wood said he's a loudmouth push the envelope guy. That's damning in itself on Martin.

I hear you on this. Maybe Goodell is making the culture in the NFL too soft. Hell, even Brees said "He hit me real hard, it should have been a penalty". This happened at the end of the SF vs NO game where Brees was hit really hard as he let the ball go and the ref threw a flag for hitting him in the head/neck. It was clearly a shot to the shoulder by a taller player. Replays clearly show it wasn't an illegal hit. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10005963/ahmad-brooks-san-francisco-49ers-fined-hit-drew-brees-new-orleans-saints

[C.Biscuit97]

You hate Incongnito. Awesome for you.

That doesn't mean Martin is any good at playing NFL football. Its such a strange crusade you're on . . .

 

It's not crusade. Maybe Martin shoudl have gotten help before leaving the team. But I'm not going to throw away a 24 year old player with talent because he struggled to deal with an awful human being. If Martin's issue was with almost any other player in the league, I won't back him as strongly. But if he is truly committed to playing football, I'd welcome the Bills bringing him and hoping his talent will shine in a good environment. Just my 2 cents.

 

Richie Incognito might be a scumbag but nothing like this has ever happened before in the history of the NFL. Do I think Richie is the worst human being to ever play football? No. Do I think Martin might be the only one to quit on a team? Yes.

 

Dolphins players defending Richie. Wood said he's a loudmouth push the envelope guy. That's damning in itself on Martin.

 

Yeah. The classy Bryant McKinnie (check out the Love Boat scandal) and Pouncey brother ( Free Hernandez!) did. Great examples of wonderful people. I'd lean more towards the side of David Shaw and Andrew Luck but that's just me.

Edited January 29, 2014 by C.Biscuit97

[KD in CA]

It's not crusade. Maybe Martin shoudl have gotten help before leaving the team. But I'm not going to throw away a 24 year old player with talent because he struggled to deal with an awful human being. If Martin's issue was with almost any other player in the league, I won't back him as strongly. But if he is truly committed to playing football, I'd welcome the Bills bringing him and hoping his talent will shine in a good environment. Just my 2 cents.

 

I think you're up to about $3.50 in this thread.

[boyst]

Martin has too long of a road to get back to success in the NFL. He was medicre at best and now that it realized he is a softy it will only get harder

 

He is mentally weak. Physically gifted.