Jonathan Martin

[Fixxxer]

only as a left guard, so I would say, the chances are low for that to happen.

[Dr. Fong]

Mark me down in the group that would rather have Incognito back. They never should have let him leave.

[Cheddar's Dad]

As always, I operate using the eyeball test...here's a few reviews of his rookie season though:

 

PFF Review:

https://www.profootb...recap-afc-east/

 

It was a tough season for Martin regardless of which side he lined up. His -22.0 grade placed him 76th out of the top 80 tackles and his 92.0 PBE ranked 50th out of 52. His five starts at left tackle came after starter Jake Long went down to injury and with Long’s pending free agent status, Martin may stay there long term. No matter which side he plays, Martin must show improvement after a difficult rookie campaign.

 

Film breakdown by Ben Muth (one of the best OL analysts out there IMO):

http://www.footballo...ure-no-openings

 

And, amazingly, rookie left tackle Jonathan Martin recognized a blitz by safety Derrick Martin, slid out to pick him up, and still got beat. Yes, Derrick Martin, giving up 100-plus pounds, drove Jonathan Martin backwards before shedding him for a sack

 

More analysis:

[it's a Bleacher Report article...not sure why I cannot post it...]

 

This kinda supports what my eyeballs have been telling me.

 

Maybe this is a forbidden thing to bring up but I have the impression he might be gay. Something about his mannerisms. There is a story/rumor that his O-line went on vacation together with Incognito and didn't invite Martin. Could it have been a female hunting kind of vacation and his teammates thought he wouldn't be into that? Maybe he's not ready to exit the closit? Maybe I'm misreading him. I don't know.

 

Like someone here said, there's more to this story than misbehaving teammates.

 

As for bringing him to Buffalo for a tryout; he caused great harm to the Dolphin organization. I can't imagine any owner or GM having much enthusiasm for his addition to their team.

[thebandit27]

This kinda supports what my eyeballs have been telling me.

 

Maybe this is a forbidden thing to bring up but I have the impression he might be gay. Something about his mannerisms. There is a story/rumor that his O-line went on vacation together with Incognito and didn't invite Martin. Could it have been a female hunting kind of vacation and his teammates thought he wouldn't be into that? Maybe he's not ready to exit the closit? Maybe I'm misreading him. I don't know.

 

Like someone here said, there's more to this story than misbehaving teammates.

 

As for bringing him to Buffalo for a tryout; he caused great harm to the Dolphin organization. I can't imagine any owner or GM having much enthusiasm for his addition to their team.

 

I've had the same thought myself, but not due to anything other than the way he was ostracized. For what it's worth, he wouldn't be the first gay NFL LT from Stanford...

[mrags]

I'd rather have Richie Incognito back, seriously. Just don't make him a captain, he's better then anyone that played guard for us this year.

i voted yes for Martin but I'd rather have Incognito back more as well.

[1B4IDie]

It's not crusade. Maybe Martin shoudl have gotten help before leaving the team. But I'm not going to throw away a 24 year old player with talent because he struggled to deal with an awful human being. If Martin's issue was with almost any other player in the league, I won't back him as strongly. But if he is truly committed to playing football, I'd welcome the Bills bringing him and hoping his talent will shine in a good environment. Just my 2 cents.

 

 

 

Yeah. The classy Bryant McKinnie (check out the Love Boat scandal) and Pouncey brother ( Free Hernandez!) did. Great examples of wonderful people. I'd lean more towards the side of David Shaw and Andrew Luck but that's just me.

Jonathan Martin's problem wasn't dealing with Richie Incongnito.

Jonathan Martin's problem was that he sucked and playing football in the NFL.

He has already been thrown away.

 

The Bills can dumpster dive for someone else.

Edited January 29, 2014 by Why So Serious?

[3rdand12]

only as a left guard, so I would say, the chances are low for that to happen.

thats good insight .

 

Mark me down in the group that would rather have Incognito back. They never should have let him leave.

your insane too then

 

I've had the same thought myself, but not due to anything other than the way he was ostracized. For what it's worth, he wouldn't be the first gay NFL LT from Stanford...

So is incognito, hence the drama

[DrDawkinstein]

I really hate when people post polls that are a yes or no question, but add their own qualifiers and opinions to each choice.

 

I voted "No", but don't care about team chemistry or the locker room. I dont want him because I dont think he's a very good player, nor has what it takes to be one.

[FireChan]

 

 

It's not crusade. Maybe Martin shoudl have gotten help before leaving the team. But I'm not going to throw away a 24 year old player with talent because he struggled to deal with an awful human being. If Martin's issue was with almost any other player in the league, I won't back him as strongly. But if he is truly committed to playing football, I'd welcome the Bills bringing him and hoping his talent will shine in a good environment. Just my 2 cents.

 

 

 

Yeah. The classy Bryant McKinnie (check out the Love Boat scandal) and Pouncey brother ( Free Hernandez!) did. Great examples of wonderful people. I'd lean more towards the side of David Shaw and Andrew Luck but that's just me.

 

I don't understand what you are trying to say. There have been plenty of locker room punks in sports teams throughout history. There haven't been many guys who walked away from the game and went to the media because of those punks.

 

Didn't Hernandez try to fight Welker back in the day? Welker didn't quit. That's the point.

[Cheddar's Dad]

Didn't Hernandez try to fight Welker back in the day? Welker didn't quit. That's the point.

 

A report I read said Hernandez threatened to kill Welker because he didn't like Welker's response to a question Hernandez asked him.

[Pills -N- Bills]

I think he could work on the bills roster, Marrone is a former linemen who could coach him up. Also you never know how much the bullying situatuion played apart of his struggles in the nfl. He would benefit greatly from a change of scenery. What do we have to lose??

[YoloinOhio]

A report I read said Hernandez threatened to kill Welker because he didn't like Welker's response to a question Hernandez asked him.

OMG. seriously? No red flags there, eh Bellicheat...

[GA BILLS FAN]

For a team that is using a roster spot for Mark Asper, acquiring Martin for a look see at RT doesn't sound that bad -- nobody is suggesting giving up a high round pick -- more than likely a 7th, if anything --- take a look at our roster, especially at OL, it is not very deep ---- we have holes to fill

[Cheddar's Dad]

we have holes to fill

 

Yes, and we prefer to fill them with good players. Say no to Martin.

[DrDawkinstein]

Yes, and we prefer to fill them with good players. Say no to Martin.

 

Exactly.

 

OL is my biggest concern right now, and I'd rather not waste time and energy on Martin. Plus, he doesnt seem like the kind of guy who would get fired up when having to play the Dolphins twice a year. If anything, it's giving the Fish a psychological advantage.

 

Nah, stay away.

[oman128]

The NFL gives second third fourth and fifth chances for drugs beatung up your girlfriend, killing someone in a car accident Donte Stallworth or any other indiscretion you can come up with.

But someone who stands up for himself nobody wants?

 

He might be a decent RT, if not we can always release him for one of the other felons to play in the NFL.

Edited January 30, 2014 by oman128

[GA BILLS FAN]

Yes, and we prefer to fill them with good players. Say no to Martin.

I'd waive Asper first.

[NoSaint]

 

 

This kinda supports what my eyeballs have been telling me.

 

Maybe this is a forbidden thing to bring up but I have the impression he might be gay. Something about his mannerisms. There is a story/rumor that his O-line went on vacation together with Incognito and didn't invite Martin. Could it have been a female hunting kind of vacation and his teammates thought he wouldn't be into that? Maybe he's not ready to exit the closit? Maybe I'm misreading him. I don't know.

 

Like someone here said, there's more to this story than misbehaving teammates.

 

As for bringing him to Buffalo for a tryout; he caused great harm to the Dolphin organization. I can't imagine any owner or GM having much enthusiasm for his addition to their team.

 

I don't think its off limits by any means, but I think you missed the boat on the discussion of it.

[FireChan]

OMG. seriously? No red flags there, eh Bellicheat...

 

Well saying, "I'll kill you" is a common figure of speech, it looks worse in hindsight.

[NoSaint]

The NFL gives second third fourth and fifth chances for drugs beatung up your girlfriend, killing someone in a car accident Donte Stallworth or any other indiscretion you can come up with.

But someone who stands up for himself nobody wants?

 

He might be a decent RT, if not we can always release him for one of the other felons to play in the NFL.

 

The problem here is he's going into his 3rd year and has shown no real signs of being a decent RT since college. While it may be due to a toxic situation, he's still at best a player with major holes in his game who has been out if football for several months now. I hope he finds a spot and succeeds but my gut tells me he's not the best option around.