Beerball Posted February 12, 2014 Posted February 12, 2014 Hmm well I missed that part of it.. Anyway, why am I not able to use the quote function? Tim- check your PM
Maury Ballstein Posted February 12, 2014 Posted February 12, 2014 I think you know what I am saying. One is not born straight either. Sorry for the bad grammar. I was born straight. An 8 year old version of me caught a glimpse of Dolly Parton and was all in !
Captain Caveman Posted February 12, 2014 Posted February 12, 2014 There are lot of stupid things that can still land you in a psych ward. To change gears, will you reconsider my arugment if the % of gay people skyrocket? We will know in the coming years, right? That is, as we liberalize societal norms. If you are right, that number (of gay people) should hold firm @ 10%. 1. Are you saying practicing homosexuality should land you in a psych ward, or just saying it's stupid to practice homosexuality? How would you feel if whatever sexual urges you felt would land you in a psych ward if acted upon (assuming those urges were practiced between consenting adults.) 2. Define skyrocket. I assume as others have mentioned that as it becomes more acceptable, more people who might have remained closeted years ago will be more open an honest with themselves about their sexual preference. I don't see this as a bad thing.
Jauronimo Posted February 12, 2014 Posted February 12, 2014 That he was prompted by rumors was covered in the first hours of the story. Still that yellow bellied 'mo was up to no good and Tim called it. Bet ole Sam woulda lived his whole life in the closet (aside from his whole college team who knew) and wouldn't have taken none of the abuse for his lifestyle he so rightly deserves. But them NFL fellas were too smart and figured him out and he had to fess up. Now ole Sam acts like he was being courageous, but you know he was just gonna try and live his life like a normal person and not tell no one he was gay or nothing and thats not right.
ExiledInIllinois Posted February 12, 2014 Posted February 12, 2014 1. Are you saying practicing homosexuality should land you in a psych ward, or just saying it's stupid to practice homosexuality? How would you feel if whatever sexual urges you felt would land you in a psych ward if acted upon (assuming those urges were practiced between consenting adults.) 2. Define skyrocket. I assume as others have mentioned that as it becomes more acceptable, more people who might have remained closeted years ago will be more open an honest with themselves about their sexual preference. I don't see this as a bad thing. 1. No, no! Sorry, that wasn't meant to offend, sorry. It was stupid @ the time to put gay people in a psych ward. Again, I didn't mean to offend w/the word stupid. 2. 20%, 30%,+. Numbers that would point to being straight/gay as being a social choice. Will people play the"gay card" for sympathy? Say teens that are going through change? People do play into "protected" classes. It is now advantageous to play the role of victim. There will ALWAYS be gay haters out there. This is one issue that simply will NOT reach an equillirium, not w/religion innvolved in the debate. I am all for defining societal norms, not as rigid in the past, but still defining them.
Mark Vader Posted February 12, 2014 Posted February 12, 2014 This. The young man is doomed. The Sunday thing put him over the top. Or does it? I believe an overwhelming majority of people would consider participating in football as "playing" instead of "working".
Captain Caveman Posted February 12, 2014 Posted February 12, 2014 Or does it? I believe an overwhelming majority of people would consider participating in football as "playing" instead of "working". Who cares what people think, God is the one judging him dude, and God knows he's getting paid to be there.
Captain Caveman Posted February 12, 2014 Posted February 12, 2014 1. No, no! Sorry, that wasn't meant to offend, sorry. It was stupid @ the time to put gay people in a psych ward. Again, I didn't mean to offend w/the word stupid. 2. 20%, 30%,+. Numbers that would point to being straight/gay as being a social choice. Will people play the"gay card" for sympathy? Say teens that are going through change? People do play into "protected" classes. It is now advantageous to play the role of victim. There will ALWAYS be gay haters out there. This is one issue that simply will NOT reach an equillirium, not w/religion innvolved in the debate. I am all for defining societal norms, not as rigid in the past, but still defining them. 1. Thanks 2. I think you're way off here. I'll leave it at that.
Tipster19 Posted February 12, 2014 Posted February 12, 2014 Imagine how Michael Sam must feel like. A person doesn't deserve such isolation, ridicule or hatred because he is gay. So far I haven't heard once that he has poor character or has been involved in criminal activity. Is this how we treat another human being?? This kid is someone's son and as a parent if my son was a good citizen and a decent human being and was treated like this simply because he is gay I would not only be furious but even more so heartbroken for him. Ha, talk about irony! As I'm literally writing this to post I get phone call from my friend right in the middle of it. He's calling me to ask me what I think about Michael Sam's father stating that he's uncomfortable about having a gay player in the NFL or something to that effect. I'm not quite sure exactly what it's all about but as soon as I post this I'm going to check it out and if there's any kind of truth to that then his father should be ashamed of himself for publicly denouncing what his son stands for. I'll end it like this, no matter what my children, and they are all adults now, have said or done or what they are it doesn't change the fact that I love them with all my heart and soul, regardless of how angry or disappointed they might have made me throughout the years. I love my children unconditionally and because of this mentality I don't believe that Michael Sam should be tortured or mistreated because he is gay.
Justice Posted February 12, 2014 Posted February 12, 2014 I don't need religion to tell me gay sex is wrong. Common sense does. Sexual organs don't include fists, fingers, tongues, or butts. Men dressing like women, women dressing like men. I find it repulsive, but to each his own. I don't care what people do privately. Sexual preference shouldn't stop anyone from having equal rights, but there should be limits when it comes to pro sports. For example, what will the league do if someone wants to get breast implants or remove their penis? Things can get out of hand real quick.
Beerball Posted February 12, 2014 Posted February 12, 2014 This article may be linked elsewhere in the thread, if so, apologies for the repeat. I think that Sam's aunt summed things up perfectly. “I believe in a person’s destiny,” his aunt Geraldine Sam said. “If that’s the way he is, I’m not trying to put my religious beliefs on anyone. I respect people for who they are, not who we want them to be.” http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/college-sports/other-colleges/20140211-michael-sam-s-father-lives-in-dallas-and-is-upset-over-son-s-gay-revelation.ece
benjamin Posted February 12, 2014 Posted February 12, 2014 (edited) I don't need religion to tell me gay sex is wrong. Common sense does. Sexual organs don't include fists, fingers, tongues, or butts. Men dressing like women, women dressing like men. I find it repulsive, but to each his own. I don't care what people do privately. Sexual preference shouldn't stop anyone from having equal rights, but there should be limits when it comes to pro sports. For example, what will the league do if someone wants to get breast implants or remove their penis? Things can get out of hand real quick. a.) I love it when people who are 'repulsed' by gay sex clearly think a lot about it. b.) I'm pretty sure that heterosexual couples use all sorts of organs/parts too... is it less wrong when they do it? Edited February 12, 2014 by benjamin
Maury Ballstein Posted February 12, 2014 Posted February 12, 2014 Sexual organs don't include fists, fingers, tongues, or butts. You might want to enlighten all the porn sites of this new development. I don't think they follow your buisness model.
Justice Posted February 12, 2014 Posted February 12, 2014 a.) I love it when people who are 'repulsed' by gay sex clearly think a lot about it. b.) I'm pretty sure that heterosexual couples use all sorts of organs/parts too... is it less wrong when they do it? A. Me being repulsed leads you to believe I think about it a lot? Not true. B. I don't care who does it, anal sex is filthy and disgusting.
Wayne Fontes Posted February 12, 2014 Posted February 12, 2014 I was born straight. An 8 year old version of me caught a glimpse of Dolly Parton and was all in ! Interesting. I was around 6 when I found a matchbook during recess on my elementary school playground. It was from a burlesque club and had a buxom woman wearing nipple tassels on it. I was utterly transfixed and instantly moved. I didn't understand the feelings or increased blood flow to the loins, but I knew immediately and ever after what my preference was. Kept that damn thing until my mom gutted my room when I left home.
Justice Posted February 12, 2014 Posted February 12, 2014 You might want to enlighten all the porn sites of this new development. I don't think they follow your buisness model. I'm sure most women just love the money shot! Lol
Green Lightning Posted February 12, 2014 Posted February 12, 2014 Or does it? I believe an overwhelming majority of people would consider participating in football as "playing" instead of "working". Umm, I was being a smart ass and if that is your attempt here we're good!
Mickey Posted February 12, 2014 Posted February 12, 2014 1. No, no! Sorry, that wasn't meant to offend, sorry. It was stupid @ the time to put gay people in a psych ward. Again, I didn't mean to offend w/the word stupid. 2. 20%, 30%,+. Numbers that would point to being straight/gay as being a social choice. Will people play the"gay card" for sympathy? Say teens that are going through change? People do play into "protected" classes. It is now advantageous to play the role of victim. There will ALWAYS be gay haters out there. This is one issue that simply will NOT reach an equillirium, not w/religion innvolved in the debate. I am all for defining societal norms, not as rigid in the past, but still defining them. I respectfully disagree. I don't know many, or even any, victims of hate who found it "advantageous". I have counseled LGBT youth and seen first hand what they go through, from parents throwing holy water on them trying to cure them to gym teachers looking the other way while they get assaulted and everything in between. The saddest ones I have talked to are those who attempted suicide, preferring to die rather than to live and be gay because of all the crap they have been told it means to be gay. Things like, "you are sick", "you choose to be a deviant", "you are going to hell but don't worry, we love you anyway" etc.,etc., etc. The reality of what it means to be gay for so many people makes the chance of their "playing victim" because it's just so darn advantageous is zero, zero, zero. Nobody chooses this, not the ones who go through hell over it and not the ones who are lucky enough to come out and come of age in a supportive atmosphere. I don't know if it is something they are born with, predisposed to or that develops at an early age or some combination. Either way, its not a choice unless you think maybe a 5 year old is capable of such choices. I think that rather than to theorize and pull apart logic puzzles over this issue, people ought to listen to people who are gay, experience their stories first hand and then see what your heart tells you about LGBT folks. Abstract theories about genetics, societal "norms" and the pernicious effect of permissiveness on crop yields in the Ukraine are easy to obsess over when you haven't had the chance to get to really know people facing these problems everyday.
Mikie2times Posted February 12, 2014 Posted February 12, 2014 (edited) I know I'm a little late to the party here as this thread seems to have turned into a debate on homosexuality. Perhaps this was already discussed, I read threw about 10 pages and didn't find anything. I would have serious concerns over drafting Sam just because he's never really played a down as an openly gay man. We can say he has at Missouri, OK, his teammates knew about it but that is it. He was a beast on the field. He already won over that teams respect by being the best player on the team. Nobody on the Tigers was slurring him, nobody was crossing him, no opposing teams or fans knew anything about him. The NFL is going to be a much different environment. He likely isn't going to walk in and dominate, not according to his original draft projections. So he's not earning any teammates respect by simply being the best. He likely will take a lot of locker room shots, he certainly will be taunted endlessly on the field by opposing players, and depending on the location, he's likely to get his fair share from drunk a-holes. All the while, the cameras will be rolling 24/7 on the entire situation making a spectacle of it all. It's one thing if Sam was a projected top 10 guy and this has him sliding well into the 3rd or 4th round and you can scoop him up with major upside, but Sam was never projected at that level. It was debatable if he was even 3rd rounder or better before this announcement. Making an NFL team is hard enough as a straight man, this guy will go thru hell to make it in the league and he stands a decent chance of having to go thru that hell without even starting for several seasons. I guess the point I'm trying to make here is what is the upside? How does drafting a mid level player who walks into this situations beneficial to any team? I just see drafting him as a bad business decision, just too much media and unknown variables in the equation for a guy that is likely a fringe starter or situational pass rusher. Edited February 12, 2014 by KzooMike
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted February 12, 2014 Posted February 12, 2014 I don't need religion to tell me gay sex is wrong. Common sense does. Sexual organs don't include fists, fingers, tongues, or butts. Men dressing like women, women dressing like men. I find it repulsive, but to each his own. I don't care what people do privately. Sexual preference shouldn't stop anyone from having equal rights, but there should be limits when it comes to pro sports. For example, what will the league do if someone wants to get breast implants or remove their penis? Things can get out of hand real quick. It sounds like you really know how to disappoint a woman!
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