1B4IDie Posted February 2, 2014 Posted February 2, 2014 You know I'm a big UB fan and I was touting Mack all year. But I was disappointed in Mack in his last two big games, BG and SDSU. Those teams totally neutralized him. I suppose that can happen when no one else on your team can step up. But still it gives me pause, like seeing Manti Te'o turn invisable against Alabama. PTR In with you on this. And it was two big games that he didn't show up. It just doesn't seem like a good idea at #9 overall. Especially with the o-line, WR and TE talent on the board. Hope fully they can trade back and pick up another second again.
thewildrabbit Posted February 2, 2014 Posted February 2, 2014 You know I'm a big UB fan and I was touting Mack all year. But I was disappointed in Mack in his last two big games, BG and SDSU. Those teams totally neutralized him. I suppose that can happen when no one else on your team can step up. But still it gives me pause, like seeing Manti Te'o turn invisable against Alabama. PTR Almost any great player can be neutralized if the opposing team is willing to expend extra resources to prioritize taking him out of the game. Who else on that UB team is even considered draft worthy....exactly! Mack is projected to be a top 10 pick, and rightfully so. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft
K-9 Posted February 2, 2014 Posted February 2, 2014 Almost any great player can be neutralized if the opposing team is willing to expend extra resources to prioritize taking him out of the game. Who else on that UB team is even considered draft worthy....exactly! Mack is projected to be a top 10 pick, and rightfully so. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft Don't be surprised if he falls if he doesn't have a good combine and pro day. GO BILLS!!!
Solomon Grundy Posted February 2, 2014 Posted February 2, 2014 You know I'm a big UB fan and I was touting Mack all year. But I was disappointed in Mack in his last two big games, BG and SDSU. Those teams totally neutralized him. I suppose that can happen when no one else on your team can step up. But still it gives me pause, like seeing Manti Te'o turn invisable against Alabama. PTR Those teams double teamed Mack and chipped him with the backs. Sorry that other players on defense couldn't benefit from the fact.
KOKBILLS Posted February 2, 2014 Posted February 2, 2014 Mack over Mosley head to head...Though Mosley may be a better fit for The Bills needs in 2014... IMHO...The Bills will not Draft either LB...I think they're going Offense all the way...Evans, Ebron, maybe even a small trade down for Benjamin, or one of the top OT's...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 2, 2014 Posted February 2, 2014 Those teams double teamed Mack and chipped him with the backs. Sorry that other players on defense couldn't benefit from the fact. Beyond Mack there was no one on UB's D. So I'll give a benefit of the doubt. But skipping the Senior Bowl was a bad idea IMO. Two sub par games to end your career then turn down a Senior Bowl invite? I don't like it. PTR
thewildrabbit Posted February 2, 2014 Posted February 2, 2014 Don't be surprised if he falls if he doesn't have a good combine and pro day. GO BILLS!!! Hmm-hmm, and weren't you the one who thought Pettine wouldn't even get an interview, much less be hired as a HC? While I don't abide by the thought that Rang has in thinking that Mack could be a dark horse #1 overall pick. I do think he will be long gone before the Bills pick at #9. "Some even view him as a dark horse candidate for the Texans at No. 1 overall." http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/24424927/big-board-rise-of-linebacker-mack-reaches-no-5----or-no-1
K-9 Posted February 2, 2014 Posted February 2, 2014 Hmm-hmm, and weren't you the one who thought Pettine wouldn't even get an interview, much less be hired as a HC? While I don't abide by the thought that Rang has in thinking that Mack could be a dark horse #1 overall pick. I do think he will be long gone before the Bills pick at #9. "Some even view him as a dark horse candidate for the Texans at No. 1 overall." http://www.cbssports...no-5----or-no-1 Couldn't have been more wrong about Pettine if I tried. I didn't have pro scouts advising me on Pettine's chances of becoming the 6th candidate for the Cleveland job, though. Before this turns into some pro vs. anti Mack thread, I'm rooting for the kid and hope he does well. Just saying there are questions about his explosiveness off the ball. People argued with me about T'eo and Curry as well when I posted similar information. GO BILLS!!!
Bills Fan of St Augustine Posted February 2, 2014 Posted February 2, 2014 #13 FeartheLosing said it best - OL must be addressed. Spiller tackled n the backfield, no push from the OL, EJ sacked...all starts up front. Must draft OT and LG or go big in FA. If I had to pick between the two, I think Mack is a better local story and hopes he does well in the NFL. I wouldn't pick either at 9.
Mark Vader Posted February 2, 2014 Posted February 2, 2014 Beyond Mack there was no one on UB's D. So I'll give a benefit of the doubt. But skipping the Senior Bowl was a bad idea IMO. Two sub par games to end your career then turn down a Senior Bowl invite? I don't like it. PTR I was disappointed too that Mack skipped the Senior Bowl. Having said that, I do like him as a player and I would pick him over Mosley.
1B4IDie Posted February 2, 2014 Posted February 2, 2014 Those teams double teamed Mack and chipped him with the backs. Sorry that other players on defense couldn't benefit from the fact. So he was double teamed and chipped all season long? Sorry buddy that is no excuse. I watched the games he didn't show up.
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted February 2, 2014 Posted February 2, 2014 I'm going to buck the trend: Mosley, though I really am not sure if we need either of them. When people first started talking up the "Mack to the Bills" prediction on draft sites I kept hearing the same thing: "Wow, he'll be such a great fit for Mike Pettine's multiple defense, and the Bills haven't done anything to help the pass rush!" The second half was rage inducing all on its own (second most in the league in stats, with over 20 coming from our DE's), but let's deal with the first. Pettine is gone. While Schwartz is not likely to abandon the "attack" mentality there is definitely going to be a change in approach. While Mack is a pretty versatile, but his role is as a pass rusher. While it would be nice to have depth, you don't spend a first round pick on your third stringer. That's for the later rounds when you sometimes get lucky and very often don't. When you get down to it, one stat of the Bills defense really stands out: yards per rushing attempt. A lot of that can be laid at the feet of a heavy dose of nickel and 4-1-6 dime formations, Kiko does have to work on his tackling. I can think of some memorable plays where we whiffed at the point of contact, with it going for a big gain. (the 80 yard touchdown run for example) and often the running back would drag him backwards for extra yards. If there is something I would fix on this defense (assuming that terms are met with Byrd) it would be acquiring a 4-3 weakside linebacker or MLB and then move Kiko over to WLB like they intended when Buddy drafted him. Apart from giving up third down conversions and the run game, what else is out of place for next season? DT? Kyle Williams and Dareus went in for 17 sacks I believe and went to the Pro Bowl. Pass rusher? Again, another Pro Bowler with Mario Williams with 13 sacks and a fantastic situation rusher with Jerry Hughes, Alan Branch and Manny Lawson were both solid, though not electrifying free agency grabs and run DE and SLB respectively. Kiko was absolutely robbed of DROY and will be a stud in years to come. Byrd showed why we should pay him the money and Aaron Williams, out of nowhere suddenly showed a knack for being all over the field as a safety and somehow turned the corner (so to speak) when he was placed back as a CB. Gilmore looked alright after fully healing and, in a true shocker, McKelvin actually stepped up. I challenge everyone to mention a position on defense, where the starter underperformed more than at weakside linebacker. If we think that Mack would be a better fit there than Mosley, then go ahead, but people seem to be picking him for all the wrong reasons. Of course, I'm holding out hope for Borland in round 3!
Buffaloed in Pa Posted February 2, 2014 Posted February 2, 2014 If I had to choose between the two...Mack ..little bigger ,more explosive. I still think it should be a QB . I`m not feeling it ,with EJ.
3rdand12 Posted February 2, 2014 Posted February 2, 2014 (edited) What? No Anthony Barr? Should be considered also. again not at nine though.Even though Buddy NEVER trades down , this might be a good year to accept that collect phone call ! add Borland and Bullough . There are some nice options to improve the LBs as a whole throughout the draft . I think Edited February 2, 2014 by 3rdand12
Big Blitz Posted February 2, 2014 Posted February 2, 2014 Im pretty sure we wont be a 3-4 hybrid anymore so Moesley is a no and Spikes is a no. Moesley is overrated anyway. Watch his film. Those LBs benefit from having a few monster D linemen that just annihilate the other team's o line. Its Watkins in RD 1 or Evans. Period. Skove RD 2 Kiko goes to WLB Mettenberger RD 3
voodoo poonani Posted February 2, 2014 Posted February 2, 2014 1. Barr 2. Mack 3. Mosley If just going by LBs. I think we keep Kiko in the middle and add Barr or Mack to solidify the run D.
maddenboy Posted February 2, 2014 Posted February 2, 2014 If I had to choose between the two...Mack ..little bigger ,more explosive. I still think it should be a QB . I`m not feeling it ,with EJ. Me too. But we all should know that it wont be. For so many reasons. Since it wont be, I guess it should be whatever will help us evaluate EJ to make a definitive decision. Since (sigh) we arent winning the superbowl this year no matter what. So go ahead and get him some protection or some toys. Its a QB league. My sig notwithstanding, I am not feeling EJ so far. We need a QB. bottom line.
RyanC883 Posted February 2, 2014 Posted February 2, 2014 What? No Anthony Barr? Good point. I think the OP figures he is gone by #9. I'd take Barr, then Mack. Not sure about Mosley.
atlbillsfan1975 Posted February 2, 2014 Posted February 2, 2014 You know I'm a big UB fan and I was touting Mack all year. But I was disappointed in Mack in his last two big games, BG and SDSU. Those teams totally neutralized him. I suppose that can happen when no one else on your team can step up. But still it gives me pause, like seeing Manti Te'o turn invisable against Alabama. PTR Thank you for being honest with that evaluation. That makes me a little hesitant to want Mack in the first. I am one of those who believes you do not take a LB, RB, or Safety in the first unless you feel confident he can be the next great one at that position for 10years, Patrick Willis, A Peterson, T. Polamalu. I think the Bills need to go OL or WR.
RyanC883 Posted February 2, 2014 Posted February 2, 2014 Should be considered also. again not at nine though. Even though Buddy NEVER trades down , this might be a good year to accept that collect phone call ! add Borland and Bullough . There are some nice options to improve the LBs as a whole throughout the draft . I think trading down and getting Ebon or another TE, then Borland and Bullough would be fantastic. Would love to get Robinson, then Boreland in Rd. 2, BPA after that. TE I'd take a gamble on the Oregon TE who got kicked off the team in the 7th. (can't recall his name right now..Colt something).
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