WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 I can't believe people are glossing over this. I am a huge fan of hiring ex hc for coordinator positions. Add in the fact that his record of success as a do is so convincing I don't know why people aren't happier. It could easily be argues that his track record is better than pettines as a dc. The bills had a plan in place and executed it quickly. They also hired a guy with a successful background instead of taking a chance on an inexperienced guy like they have so many times before. I'm very happy this is the guy they got and don't understand how anyone is upset by this move. We're Bills fans.We'll find anything to complain about. Run 'D', 3rd down two strengths of Schwartz defenses Well,that's strange, because I could have sworn that those were the two areas where the Buffalo defense really struggled this year. Are you saying that our panned head coach looked for a qualified, experienced defensive specialist who has experience in fixing the things we need fixing while keeping on the personnel who excelled at their jobs? DOOOOOOOOOM!!!!
NoSaint Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 For the experts out there.. How good was the talent on Detroit's defense the past couple of years? Everyone knows Suh is a superstar. Fairley, Tulloch, Ansah and Houston are anywhere from decent to solid from what I've heard. I don't watch enough of their games to have a solid opinion on them. I tried to find a decent Lions message board to see what they thought, but I can't find anything resembling this place. Last few years would include Avril, vandenbosch, and Delmas as a few more with good reps
BuffaloBillsForever Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) For the experts out there.. How good was the talent on Detroit's defense the past couple of years? Everyone knows Suh is a superstar. Fairley, Tulloch, Ansah and Houston are anywhere from decent to solid from what I've heard. I don't watch enough of their games to have a solid opinion on them. I tried to find a decent Lions message board to see what they thought, but I can't find anything resembling this place. Their defenses where consistently undisciplined in his tenure as HC. Edited January 25, 2014 by BuffaloBillsForever
NoSaint Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 We're Bills fans.We'll find anything to complain about While true, we also had a thread that it was a amazing that Crossman was willing to leave Detroit to join us last year, and that wanny was the missing piece the year before. We go extreme both ways. We are fans and we aren't unique as bills fans.
run dat back Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 This seems like a left field hire. That's my first impression. like everything we'll have to wait and see. either that or we are doomed! It's the Bills, we're always doomed.
QB Bills Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Last few years would include Avril, vandenbosch, and Delmas as a few more with good reps Well, then just this past year, as he was reportedly more involved with the play calling. Anyone watch their games?
Fan in Chicago Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 To be less negative than some other posts I've made- He will likely get a lot of leeway to operate on his own which hopefully works out so marrone can be more hands on elsewhere as compared to a new guy that may need more support. He also has experienced networks of position coaches and such. Precisely my thought. If they hired a new-to-the-position DC, Marrone would have had to do a lot of over-sight, which may have been too much considering he is rather green himself at his position. Advantage of this kind of hire (coordinator to HC to coordinator) is that if he does well, there is little chance he will leave to be a HC, having already failed in that job.
section122 Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Thought the same. But what you have to realize is some people on here wanted this guy or that guy and didn't get them. That if the truth be known is why they are most upset about. That's a very good point. The Browns just hired a coordinator to be their hc (no experience at this position) and are geniuses. The bills hire the hc from a team to be their dc (proven success at this position) and are dooooomed.
QB Bills Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Their defenses where consistently undisciplined in his tenure as HC. That was their identity in the media, yes. But I am inquiring on more of a fundamental level. How good are the players on that defensive roster? Did they underachieve? Overachieve? I haven't even heard of most of their secondary.
NoSaint Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 That's a very good point. The Browns just hired a coordinator to be their hc (no experience at this position) and are geniuses. The bills hire the hc from a team to be their dc (proven success at this position) and are dooooomed. Some of y'all are dramatic. I think I've been the most negative bringing up concerns and I've never said doomed, simply that I don't think it's the slam dunk some do.
DrDawkinstein Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 I'm certainly not declaring he sucks or will obviously fail or anything but he definitely gets some red flags on his résumé that I think are fair to put out there- jasper hit a few of them too with regards to the rush D rankings. I'm with you, man. I wont deny there are things Im hoping he can overcome with a move back to a DC spot.
SBUffalo Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 If Schwartz is going to run the 4-3 mostly we should sell high on Hughes and sign Cliff Avril.
OCinBuffalo Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) Best Schwartz moment.. I like the intensity. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzfTC1XW_yQ Hey, this again? I remember the last time I saw a guy do the handshake/big slap in the back thing: he got an elbow to throat for his trouble. The slapper was a d-bag, large guy(has never been in a real fight), who thought he could always get away with it, because he was a sales guy. He chose: poorly. At least Harbaugh didn't get embarrassed on national TV, dropped to his knees, gasping for air. Schwartz had a lot more control than many people in that situation would. Imagine if any of us were in a bar, and some guy did that to some other guy? What should we expect to happen? Actually it doesn't matter: sooner or later, that expectation is always set properly. He most definitely did as the head coach. The head coach sets the tone and Schwartz was a failure when it came to fielding a disciplined team. Marrone's job (like Schwartz's old one) is to field a disciplined team. Marrone failed at that last year. We'll see if he is able to improve here. I'm not sure failed is the right term. This was a very young team, and we were moving a lot of people around, in/out, early on. Of course we need to see progress, but, I didn't expect a very disciplined team last year. I did like what Marrone did with Dareus. That shows me that Marrone is a character guy. On the other side: I seem to remember a very winning, very undisciplined team called: the 70s, 80s, and 90s Raiders. Seems like they went to/won their share of SBs as well, when they weren't getting screwed out of going by the tuck rule. (Yes, let's not forget who benefited from that embarrassment, and who we play 2 times a year. Just like who we played 2 times a year when Shula was on the officiating committee) Thus, the other other side of things: once you develop a reputation, like the Lions absolutely did, the refs start cheating on their calls. Marrone's job is either: win like the Raiders, or make sure we don't get the reputation. For example: Robert Woods either better start being effectively dirty like Tim Brown, and producing like perennial All-Pro Tim Brown....or....never get another dead ball foul/fighting penalty again. One way or the other. No middle. We all know what happens when you are in the middle, because Mr. Miyagi told us: "Walk left side, safe, walk right side, safe, walk middle? Get squish just like grape" Edited January 25, 2014 by OCinBuffalo
rockpile Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Got to admit, I haven't seen a ton of Lions games over the last few years, but he constant complaint I have heard about Stafford (and it was very loud this year) was that he is lazy, and that his mechanics, and inability to correct them, are what have held him back from being an elite QB...and kept the Lions out of the playoffs. At the very least though, everyone seems to think EJ is "very coachable".... just a curious hire, and I am little more leery of this than I am of the Schwartz hire...a guy doesn't normally (ignoring Hank Bullough) get a head coaching job in the NFL unless he has something going for himself. Not a comment on today's news, but this is SO untrue of the Buffalo Bills!
NoSaint Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) That was their identity in the media, yes. But I am inquiring on more of a fundamental level. How good are the players on that defensive roster? Did they underachieve? Overachieve? I haven't even heard of most of their secondary. His secondary was weak but he had a lot of talent on the unit. Much like their offense and special teams, they at times flashed that talent but generally did not live up to expectations and could shoot themselves in the foot. I wouldn't call it a flop but I'd say they underachieved as a team across the board, defense included. If they reached potential they would've been in the playoffs and he'd be employed by the lions. I mean, the 3 other teams in the division were all without their #1 qb (if minny ever had one) and the lions still weren't able to take advantage. It was a very bills-esque situation in how easy it should've been and how hard it was Edited January 25, 2014 by NoSaint
Iowabillsfan4life Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Before anyone judges him you should read his defensive accomplishments. Put our young defense with his aggressiveness I smell success. And he once led the NFL in rush defense. http://www.wkbw.com/sports/Bills-Hire-Jim-Schwartz-as-Defensive-Coordinator--241917071.html
Big Turk Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 I was under the impression that teams couldn't deny their coaches a promotion. That means they technically can't tell O'Neil he can't take the job because he would be promoted from LB's coach to Defensive Coordinator. The only time you can deny someone is for a like promotion(DC to DC, HC to HC) which leads to draft pick compensation. No, they only have to allow it if the promotion is for a head coaching position
NoSaint Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 I'm with you, man. I wont deny there are things Im hoping he can overcome with a move back to a DC spot. Cheers. Hopefully he makes us forget about that guy that was our coordinator we had for a minute before he left to the browns..... What was his name again?!?
Stenbar Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Too undisciplined as a head coach, hopefully just right as a DC. Marcell Dareus should feel right at home being undisciplined and all....
3rdnlng Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 So...if I get this right...you'd prefer a move BACK to the 3-4? Even a Canadian recognizes the stupidity in that thought process. Did you used to be "Marauder"?
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