Wayne Cubed Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 just because he has a professional relationship (or personal) doesnt mean he cant be the right fit for the job. Especially in the DC role for a defensive minded HC. odds are the best fit would have professional ties to him, unless he is planning to give the coordinator complete autonomy to run any scheme they want. odds are though, youd want someone that can execute your vision best and someone thats worked to help build that vision would obviously have a huge advantage. its not like he said he wouldnt hire anyone he knows or likes. I don't have any problem with him taking O'Neil. He is probably the best man for the job and that much is obvious. What I was pointing out was the contradiction he made. They have worked together for years. Petrine says he doesn't want this to be a "friends club." Yet his first call was to O'Neil, IMO, that's a contradiction.
YoloinOhio Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 I don't have any problem with him taking O'Neil. He is probably the best man for the job and that much is obvious. What I was pointing out was the contradiction he made. They have worked together for years. Petrine says he doesn't want this to be a "friends club." Yet his first call was to O'Neil, IMO, that's a contradiction. O'Neil is better off in Cleveland. He is going to be the DC there, that will work because he will be with Pettine who will be heavily involved. If he stayed here, he won't be DC IMO and so no promotion for him. He doesn't have any experience and Marrone is an offensive coach so he would be all on his own. No thanks. They granted permission for him to interview, correct?
NoSaint Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 I don't have any problem with him taking O'Neil. He is probably the best man for the job and that much is obvious. What I was pointing out was the contradiction he made. They have worked together for years. Petrine says he doesn't want this to be a "friends club." Yet his first call was to O'Neil, IMO, that's a contradiction. and im arguing you are wrong. that if he is picking the best man for the job, it doesnt matter if that person is a friend or not, and oneill happens to be. there would be no sense in saying im going to pass up the best candidate because i also like him. in this case its highly likely for the specific position that oneill is both a friend and the best man for the job and that doesnt contradict that i am going to hire the person that helps us win not the one i want to have lunch with.
The Big Cat Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 O'Neil is better off in Cleveland. He is going to be the DC there, that will work because he will be with Pettine who will be heavily involved. If he stayed here, he won't be DC IMO and so no promotion for him. He doesn't have any experience and Marrone is an offensive coach so he would be all on his own. No thanks. They granted permission for him to interview, correct? No report of permission granted. And if he's good enough to run Pettine's system in Cleveland, then he's precisely the continuity we should he looking for in Buffalo.
YoloinOhio Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 No report of permission granted. And if he's good enough to run Pettine's system in Cleveland, then he's precisely the continuity we should he looking for in Buffalo. I am not sure about this only because he may be just fine running it alongside Pettine, but not by himself as he would be doing here.
The Big Cat Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 I am not sure about this only because he may be just fine running it alongside Pettine, but not by himself as he would be doing here. Said everyone about Pettine/Ryan approx 50 weeks ago.
NoSaint Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Said everyone about Pettine/Ryan approx 50 weeks ago. which is a fair question, and was a fair question then. pettine did it well, but it doesnt say anything about whether or not the next guy can. ideally they could.
DrDawkinstein Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Said everyone about Pettine/Ryan approx 50 weeks ago. True, but at that time, Pettine had 4 years of at least being a DC in title, and it was also thought that he wanted out from under Rex to prove himself. The O'Neil promotion is a different situation. O'Neil is 10+ years younger than Pettine and 10 less years experienced. Im not against O'Neil, but I do agree that he would probably have the greatest chance of success on Pettine's staff.
YoloinOhio Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) Said everyone about Pettine/Ryan approx 50 weeks ago. No... Pettine had already been a DC for what, 3 or 4 years? He called all the plays by himself in 2011 and 2012, about half the time in 2010 and Rex called them in 2009. O'Neil is a position coach. Edited January 24, 2014 by YoloinOhio
CodeMonkey Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) I am not sure about this only because he may be just fine running it alongside Pettine, but not by himself as he would be doing here. That's obviously a very valid concern. Hopefully Marrone and Whaley know him well enough to make that determination. I have family in Cleveland and apparently not many people there know much about Pettine and are taking a "whatever" attitude. Apparently some radio personality summed it up by saying that as bad as the Browns offense was this past season, they put 30 points on the board against the Bills. So obviously they hire the Bills DC as their new HC Edited January 24, 2014 by CodeMonkey
Canadian Bills Fan Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Anyone see this posted about Tim Graham interviewing Byrd? http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/24/byrd-mum-about-pettines-departure/ Safety Jairus Byrd, a pending free agent who played under the franchise tag in 2013, declined to answer several questions posed by Tim Graham of the Buffalo News. Here’s the exchange: Graham: “What was your gut reaction to hearing Pettine had gotten the Browns job?” Byrd: “I’d really rather not answer that.” Graham: “You’re entering your sixth season, and the Bills will have their fifth defensive coordinator. What are your thoughts on that?” Byrd [laughing]: “Same as the last one. I won’t answer that one.” Graham: “How will Pettine’s departure impact the likelihood you’ll return to the Bills?” Byrd [laughing harder]: “You’re oh for three.” It's obvious the TG is looking for a negative angle here. CBF
DrDawkinstein Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Anyone see this posted about Tim Graham interviewing Byrd? We have a new policy regarding TG... http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/165419-pettine-has-officially-signed-on-as-coach-of-the-browns/page__st__240#entry3043359
Wayne Cubed Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 and im arguing you are wrong. that if he is picking the best man for the job, it doesnt matter if that person is a friend or not, and oneill happens to be. there would be no sense in saying im going to pass up the best candidate because i also like him. in this case its highly likely for the specific position that oneill is both a friend and the best man for the job and that doesnt contradict that i am going to hire the person that helps us win not the one i want to have lunch with. I'm wrong because Pettine said what he said? He should have just said he would hire the best man for the job and leave the whole friend thing out of it. O'Neil may be the best man for job he may be the worst, who knows. But when someone says they don't want to hire people just because they are friends and then calls a friend, that's a contradiction. If O'Neil turns out to be a terrible DC, is it a contradiction then? By possibly hiring O'Neil, who has no DC experience, he's hoping he will be able to do the job. If he doesn't do a good job, one could argue Pettines personal relationship clouded his judgement. If he didn't want to hire someone just because they were friends, why not hire someone for DC that's currently on the Browns staff? They could be the best person for the job, they are more familiar with the players. But he wouldn't do that, he's built a personal trusting relationship with O'Neil. Whether it works or not will unfold next year. Like I said, he should have just said he would hire the best person for the job.
Coach Tuesday Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Rotoworld is reporting that the Browns are targeting Kubiak for OC. That would give them to exceptional coordinator/coaches...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Anyone see this posted about Tim Graham interviewing Byrd? http://profootballta...ines-departure/ Safety Jairus Byrd, a pending free agent who played under the franchise tag in 2013, declined to answer several questions posed by Tim Graham of the Buffalo News. Here’s the exchange: Graham: “What was your gut reaction to hearing Pettine had gotten the Browns job?” Byrd: “I’d really rather not answer that.” Graham: “You’re entering your sixth season, and the Bills will have their fifth defensive coordinator. What are your thoughts on that?” Byrd [laughing]: “Same as the last one. I won’t answer that one.” Graham: “How will Pettine’s departure impact the likelihood you’ll return to the Bills?” Byrd [laughing harder]: “You’re oh for three.” It's obvious the TG is looking for a negative angle here. CBF Just baiting him into saying negative stuff-- pretty irritating.
Wayne Cubed Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) Rotoworld is reporting that the Browns are targeting Kubiak for OC. That would give them to exceptional coordinator/coaches... That's would be interesting. Although a lot of Kubiaks success as a OC was because he had Elway and a stable of running backs. Edited January 24, 2014 by Wayne Cubed
Mr. WEO Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Inside LB coach Dreisbach. O'Neil is OLB coach So our inside LB coach was so bad at that they had to fire him, but the outside LB coach is so good he should be our next DC? Isn't Dreisbach the guy who coached Kiko?
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 So our inside LB coach was so bad at that they had to fire him, but the outside LB coach is so good he should be our next DC? Isn't Dreisbach the guy who coached Kiko? BTW, how much you want to bet that the Browns hire Dreisbach as part of that staff? He has deep roots with Pettine.
NoSaint Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) I'm wrong because Pettine said what he said? yea, you are arguing it is a contradiction, and i am saying i think you are wrong in that characterization. if his OC and STC are both friends, and the staff is loaded by people that dont have credentials other than knowing him, then id call it a contradiction. if hes looking to hire someone that runs his specific defensive scheme, then i dont think its a contradiction that he would likely have a past with someone to fill that role, simply the nature of the task at hand. he may be much better friends with several on the staff, but oneill is the best candidate. i dont think it contradicts his assertion that he isnt going to hire who he wants to have lunch with but who will be the best to win. it just seems a bit silly to call out in my book, thats all. Edited January 24, 2014 by NoSaint
Wayne Cubed Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 yea, you are arguing it is a contradiction, and i am saying i think you are wrong in that characterization. if his OC and STC are both friends, and the staff is loaded by people that dont have credentials other than knowing him, then id call it a contradiction. if hes looking to hire someone that runs his specific defensive scheme, then i dont think its a contradiction that he would likely have a past with someone to fill that role, simply the nature of the task at hand. i dont think it contradicts his assertion that he isnt going to hire who he wants to have lunch with but who will be the best to win. it just seems a bit silly to call out in my book, thats all. And I agree with what you are saying, I do. But he should have just said he would hire the best man for the job and leave the whole friends thing out because it's obvious he would want "his" guys. Which he would naturally have a personal relationship with. Anyways. Kubiak for OC?
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