fridge Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 That is what I am saying, and it's the only reason to keep the guy. Henderson had a year under Pettine, and now Henderson will be tasked in carrying out Pettine's same scheme. It's the reason you would keep the guy. If he tells Marrone that he would implement an entirely new defense, then it makes sense to shop around outside of the organization. Yeah, that makes sense. But, do you have confidence Henderson (who spent time as a positional coach, not necessarily completely in tuned with why some defenses were called at specific times during the game) can just go ahead and run the defense? Wouldn't you feel more confident if he were within this scheme for closer to five years at least? Seems like more of a risk than hiring another guy to me.
NewEra Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 That is what I am saying, and it's the only reason to keep the guy. Henderson had a year under Pettine, and now Henderson will be tasked in carrying out Pettine's same scheme. It's the reason you would keep the guy. If he tells Marrone that he would implement an entirely new defense, then it makes sense to shop around outside of the organization. Yep. If Marrone wants to run the same D scheme, promote. That's what Seattle did last year. Worked for them.
BrooklynBills Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 There is just no way you could just plug and play a guy into this position and expect the same style and running of the defense.
fridge Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Yep. If Marrone wants to run the same D scheme, promote. That's what Seattle did last year. Worked for them. Pete Carroll is defensive minded though, its different. Their defensive continuity stayed with their head coach.
BrooklynBills Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Yep. If Marrone wants to run the same D scheme, promote. That's what Seattle did last year. Worked for them. Completely different scenario. Pete Carroll is the architect of Seattle's defense.
pimp 2 Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 That 2005 team that was 2nd in passing yards allowed was 29th in rushing yards allowed, on its way to a 4-12 season. I see you point but nothing stays the same. You're either getting better or worse...pretty sure he's learned from his past stint in the DC role. If anything its worth a shot given the talent and for continuity sake. I also believe Jim O'Neil is a good candidate as well, he knows Pettine's system but he doesn't have any experience in the role.
fridge Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 I see you point but nothing stays the same. You're either getting better or worse...pretty sure he's learned from his past stint in the DC role. If anything its worth a shot given the talent and for continuity sake. I also believe Jim O'Neil is a good candidate as well, he knows Pettine's system but he doesn't have any experience in the role. Very astute of you.
billsfan_34 Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 If im Marrone then Wade is my choice. You have a guy who is proven as a DC which means low risk high reward. Undoubtly he would be the assistand HC as well. Hiring from within is very dangerous as we have a very weak staff. That bein said its the Bills so we will do something overly stupid. Im sure Marrone has a Cronie somewhere needing a job also. This is going to get funny.
K-9 Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 That is what I am saying, and it's the only reason to keep the guy. Henderson had a year under Pettine, and now Henderson will be tasked in carrying out Pettine's same scheme. It's the reason you would keep the guy. If he tells Marrone that he would implement an entirely new defense, then it makes sense to shop around outside of the organization. More important than Henderson's time with Pettine, was his time with Rex Ryan when both were position coaches under Mike Nolan in Baltimore. GO BILLS!!!
Kirby Jackson Posted January 23, 2014 Author Posted January 23, 2014 HOW do you know what you "know"? I think that a lot of people on here can attest to my credibility. I may be an idiot but I am reliable.
thebandit27 Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 I think that a lot of people on here can attest to my credibility. I may be an idiot but I am reliable. He is indeed reliable, and he is indeed correct about Russ being The Man now (Kirby ain't the only one that knows stuff )
Rob's House Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 My sources have informed me that the Bills are intending to keep the same defenive scheme and will likely promote from within.
thebandit27 Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 My sources have informed me that the Bills are intending to keep the same defenive scheme and will likely promote from within. Wait--am I your source? Cuz, ya know, I just told you that in the shoutbox...I'm scared if I'm your source
Kirby Jackson Posted January 23, 2014 Author Posted January 23, 2014 He is indeed reliable, and he is indeed correct about Russ being The Man now (Kirby ain't the only one that knows stuff ) Thanks Bandit, it is an interesting dynamic within the organization. It is certainly for the best IMO.
Rob's House Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Wait--am I your source? Cuz, ya know, I just told you that in the shoutbox...I'm scared if I'm your source I'll never tell
thebandit27 Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Thanks Bandit, it is an interesting dynamic within the organization. It is certainly for the best IMO. Agreed on both accounts.
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Yeah, that makes sense. But, do you have confidence Henderson (who spent time as a positional coach, not necessarily completely in tuned with why some defenses were called at specific times during the game) can just go ahead and run the defense? Wouldn't you feel more confident if he were within this scheme for closer to five years at least? Seems like more of a risk than hiring another guy to me. I agree it's a risk. I also have no views on Henderson, since I have heard nothing about how much he knows this scheme. The question is going to be what's riskier-- keeping Henderson/trying to run the same scheme versus getting someone new/changing the scheme?
Bufcomments Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Wade Phillips. He's alreAdy stated that he would return to "any team" that he used to work for. It would all come down to the facts of Russ is truly running the team or of Ralph is. If Ralph still has a say, then his fridge won't allow it. If Russ is, there's no better defensive coaching coordinator available. All I know is last time the Bills made the playoffs Wade was on the sideline. Enough for me right there.
RuntheDamnBall Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 All I know is last time the Bills made the playoffs Wade was on the sideline. Enough for me right there. That was also 14+ years ago. I'm not saying the NFL has passed Wade by but his best successes have come with defenses that took some time to build and assemble the talent for. That worries me. If we look outside the org, I would like to see someone bright and innovative picked up - basically a Pettine with a little less pedigree.
reddogblitz Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 I agree it's a risk. I also have no views on Henderson, since I have heard nothing about how much he knows this scheme. The question is going to be what's riskier-- keeping Henderson/trying to run the same scheme versus getting someone new/changing the scheme? Depends on who it is changing the scheme. Wade has had success at several teams of coming in, changing things, and turning a bad one into a good one in one season. I hope Pettine stays, but if he doesn't I don't think we should get too hung up on keeping the same scheme. With the talent we have, a good coach should be able to make it work.
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