RyanC883 Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Pepper Johnson, learned from the best for over a decade. It would be worth an interview, ya Neva know I 100% agree with this. he did amazing work w/ the LB's in NE. Plus, at least interview the guy. If we don't grab him, I'm sure Pettine will for his staff in Cleveland.
playman Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Didn't Wade make Mario move to OLB in the one season he played in that defense. I thought Mario did not like that. Phillips requires a big wide bodied Nose Tackle to make his defense successful. We do not have a Mt.Washington on this roster. in dallas he had one like 6-4, 280 Didn't Wade make Mario move to OLB in the one season he played in that defense. I thought Mario did not like that. Phillips requires a big wide bodied Nose Tackle to make his defense successful. We do not have a Mt.Washington on this roster. in dallas he had one like 6-4, 280
djp14150 Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Off the whale option---look at some of the very good defenses at 4-5 and pluck the DL/LB coach (Seattle??? San Fran??? Carolina???) I think Singletary would be adecent DC
papazoid Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 the Bills announced days ago they had a plan in place if Pettine leaves. that means it is highly likely that person is already on the staff. DB Coach Donnie Henderson is that guy.
RyanC883 Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Promoting Donnie Henderson may also work favorably in terms of getting Byrd to stay. Won't Pettine be taking all the assistants? Won't Pettine be taking all the assistants? Not likely if we promote Henderson to DC. Pettine could also take people from the Jets.
RuntheDamnBall Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Promoting Donnie Henderson may also work favorably in terms of getting Byrd to stay. I'm for any measure of continuity unless there is a bona fide upgrade. Four different DCs in four years is already way too much to take.
silvermike Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Seems to me our next DC is already here...DON'T LET HIM LEAVE! Donnie Henderson's Bio as DC. In 2004, Henderson was the coordinator for the Jets defense that improved to seventh, from 21st, in the NFL in total defense and rookie linebacker Jonathan Vilma was named the 2004 AP Defensive Rookie of the Season. In 2005, the Jets finished second in the NFL in total passing yards allowed (172.2 avg.) and finished fifth with 21 interceptions. That 2005 team that was 2nd in passing yards allowed was 29th in rushing yards allowed, on its way to a 4-12 season.
Dorkington Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 That 2005 team that was 2nd in passing yards allowed was 29th in rushing yards allowed, on its way to a 4-12 season. Sounds just like our type of guy.
BrooklynBills Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Continuity is great, but they need to hire the right guy for the job as well. I'd be looking at other organizations, namely Ken Norton Jr. from the Seahawks. I love their D, and has spent the last 10 years learning under Pete Carroll.
fridge Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Going from Mike Pettine to Donnie Henderson will be exactly the underwhelming move that takes the wind from my sails as a fan this off season. If anything, it's such a classic, "safe" move that this franchise has gone with time and again. If they go that route, I'll bet anything they don't interview outside candidates for the position. You have a great opportunity to exhaust through all available ex DC's and ex HC's with the relevant experience, but instead you promote your secondary coach because he's your friend who has "done it before" (to little to no success, mind you).
silvermike Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Going from Mike Pettine to Donnie Henderson will be exactly the underwhelming move that takes the wind from my sails as a fan this off season. If anything, it's such a classic, "safe" move that this franchise has gone with time and again. If they go that route, I'll bet anything they don't interview outside candidates for the position. You have a great opportunity to exhaust through all available ex DC's and ex HC's with the relevant experience, but instead you promote your secondary coach because he's your friend who has "done it before" (to little to no success, mind you). A guy who did it before, 8 years ago, without even a college-level DC job since. He spent the two years before he got to Buffalo as a collegiate position coach.
BrooklynBills Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Going from Mike Pettine to Donnie Henderson will be exactly the underwhelming move that takes the wind from my sails as a fan this off season. If anything, it's such a classic, "safe" move that this franchise has gone with time and again. If they go that route, I'll bet anything they don't interview outside candidates for the position. You have a great opportunity to exhaust through all available ex DC's and ex HC's with the relevant experience, but instead you promote your secondary coach because he's your friend who has "done it before" (to little to no success, mind you). It would be a very typical Bills move. You can't really claim that you are all about winning and then go ahead and promote a guy who has, for all intents and purposes, failed as a DC in this league, and then spent the last few years coaching DBs at Southern University and Syracuse. As far as I'm concerned, we don't really have an in-house candidate for the job. A guy who did it before, 8 years ago, without even a college-level DC job since. He spent the two years before he got to Buffalo as a collegiate position coach. You beat me to it.
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Going from Mike Pettine to Donnie Henderson will be exactly the underwhelming move that takes the wind from my sails as a fan this off season. If anything, it's such a classic, "safe" move that this franchise has gone with time and again. If they go that route, I'll bet anything they don't interview outside candidates for the position. You have a great opportunity to exhaust through all available ex DC's and ex HC's with the relevant experience, but instead you promote your secondary coach because he's your friend who has "done it before" (to little to no success, mind you). I don't know. You get someone else and then you change the scheme all over again-- could set the young guys back. It was pretty clear that our entire d-line, Kiko, Robey, AW, Byrd, and McKelvin all excelled in this scheme.
fridge Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 A guy who did it before, 8 years ago, without even a college-level DC job since. He spent the two years before he got to Buffalo as a collegiate position coach. Exactly! I'm not trying to pessimistic here. I'm sure Donnie is a great guy, but he blatantly would not be the most qualified man for the job. What makes me sick, is thinking of the post promotion press conference, where not a single local journalist has the audacity to ask about Wade or any one with a successful track record as a DC. It will be all joy all the time. They might even ask for an injury update.
The Big Cat Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Pettine was a scheme-master. Most of the guys tossed around this thread simply are not. Seattle? San Fran? Those defenses are RIDDLED with talent. We need a guy who can confuse the **** out of QBs like Pettine can. But I haven't the foggiest who that guy is.
Rob's House Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 The more I think about it the more I like the idea of Wade Phillips. All these other guys are question marks. Wade has a proven track record of running defenses. One of his biggest problems is he's a "players coach" but since the HC is a "my way or the highway" type there's less concern about the players getting over on him. Plus, our personnel may not be perfectly suited for his D, but it's not too bad. We've got a lot of big DEs and Wade describes his 3-4 as more of a 5-2. I'm confident he could come in and give us at least a top 15 defense if not better (maybe top 5, who knows) which would keep the team in games and consistently give them a chance to win if the offense can produce. I just can't imagine going back to the experience of the Gailey era assuming every possession by the opponent is going to result in points.
fridge Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 I don't know. You get someone else and then you change the scheme all over again-- could set the young guys back. It was pretty clear that our entire d-line, Kiko, Robey, AW, Byrd, and McKelvin all excelled in this scheme. How exactly is Donnie Henderson's scheme the same scheme? He's been in this system for one year, just like the players. Are you trying to say that if Henderson (mind you, he's not a Pettine/Rex Ryan guy at all) were DC we would be exactly as aggressive?
BrooklynBills Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 I would not say the Seattle's defense is riddled with talent. They have the best CB in the game who became that player while at Seattle. If you look around the internet a bit, you will find some great articles breaking down seattle's scheme and explaining how versatile and multiple it is. We also have the personnel on D to run it.
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 How exactly is Donnie Henderson's scheme the same scheme? He's been in this system for one year, just like the players. Are you trying to say that if Henderson (mind you, he's not a Pettine/Rex Ryan guy at all) were DC we would be exactly as aggressive? That is what I am saying, and it's the only reason to keep the guy. Henderson had a year under Pettine, and now Henderson will be tasked in carrying out Pettine's same scheme. It's the reason you would keep the guy. If he tells Marrone that he would implement an entirely new defense, then it makes sense to shop around outside of the organization.
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