BringBackFergy Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 I apologize for taking so long to answer this, I am dealing with a sick and grieving wife at hope - that's a tough combo! Professional sports isn't going through a gradual shift to look at me it has already shifted. There is a celebration where a player points 2 thumbs at his shoulder pads. That is a look at the name on the back celebration. How many wide receivers celebrate every single first down catch they make? What about Kap mocking Cam Newton's td celebration - how many pages did that thread get? Was there even one? As for Pros are role models I agree to an extent. Every moment can be a teachable one. To some parents this behavior is unacceptable so it is a conversation to be had with your kid. I have zero problem with anything he said. I ask again what is the worst thing he said? That Crabtree is a mediocre receiver? That he is the best cb in the game? What specifically did he say that is so upsetting. The worst part about that interview is I knew many would get their panties in a bunch. In the age of everyone gets a trophy Sherman might have hurt Crabtree's feelings . This is a game yes but it is so much more to these players. They many times liken it to a battle or war (their words not mine). It is a true test to them of their manhood. Who is the biggest, baddest, strongest, fastest, etc.. out there. This is their job and there are literally millions of dollars on the line. So he got a little loud and boisterous big deal. I have only responded a few times but I haven't once mentioned anything about anyone being racist. I don't think that has as much to do with the outcry as the wussification of America. A bunch of people are mad at Richard Sherman because he might have hurt Crabtree's feelings. Why are sports interviews so boring and filled with cliches? Anytime someone dares say anything the media and public jump all over them. Why are Marrone's pressers filled with obviously and you knows? So he can have time to make sure what he says won't be able to be taken the wrong way and blown out of proportion. Remember his "blowup" about the injury report in preseason? I think you hit it on the head. Some of us used to appreciate Thurman Thomas running into the endzone and just flipping the ball to the ref. Jerry Rice wasn't much of a showboat or "me, me" personality that I recall. Now everything is "look at me" instead of "our team played well together". Just my opinion.
yungmack Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 I don't agree with that. I didn't look at this thread until tonight, and basically I see the usual pattern of a criticism of a black player who borrowed heavily from a ghetto culture, and people mocking the critics as racist. The culture transcends the race in this instance. I'm guessing the same criticism would have been levied on Sherman if he was white and had the same interview with Andrews. Whoa! Ghetto culture? Whether or not Sherman was a jerk, there was nothing in the interview that was remotely "ghetto." No foul language, zero "ghetto" slang, no gang signs. He spoke standard English, complete sentences and presented coherent thoughts. He was about as "ghetto" as John McEnroe or Jimmy Conners in their heyday when their diatribes were much more frequent and vile than Sherman's. BTW, there is a lot of talk about Compton around here that assumes it is some trashed out, devastated hell hole. It's not. It is a suburb, with all that implies. It is filled with normal middle class people, lots of well maintained single family homes, and nothing that resembles slums. Yes, there's crime but a lot of that has to do with abutting some real tough neighborhoods in LA. As far as that goes, crime in Compton is at its lowest level in decades. The biggest "criminal enterprise" in Compton in the last few years has been corrupt government. Believe me, in SoCal, that is far from unique.
GG Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Whoa! Ghetto culture? Whether or not Sherman was a jerk, there was nothing in the interview that was remotely "ghetto." No foul language, zero "ghetto" slang, no gang signs. He spoke standard English, complete sentences and presented coherent thoughts. He was about as "ghetto" as John McEnroe or Jimmy Conners in their heyday when their diatribes were much more frequent and vile than Sherman's. BTW, there is a lot of talk about Compton around here that assumes it is some trashed out, devastated hell hole. It's not. It is a suburb, with all that implies. It is filled with normal middle class people, lots of well maintained single family homes, and nothing that resembles slums. Yes, there's crime but a lot of that has to do with abutting some real tough neighborhoods in LA. As far as that goes, crime in Compton is at its lowest level in decades. The biggest "criminal enterprise" in Compton in the last few years has been corrupt government. Believe me, in SoCal, that is far from unique. People can make whatever excuses they want for Sherman's rant. But to me, the root was that he felt that he was disrespected by Crabtree. You know, he was dissed. And that's what angers most people about his reaction. He elevated self beyond the team in the ultimate team sport. That's what the complaints are about. But if you want to argue where the diss concept came from, we can gladly continue the discussion on PPP.
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 People can make whatever excuses they want for Sherman's rant. But to me, the root was that he felt that he was disrespected by Crabtree. You know, he was dissed. And that's what angers most people about his reaction. He elevated self beyond the team in the ultimate team sport. That's what the complaints are about. But if you want to argue where the diss concept came from, we can gladly continue the discussion on PPP. Overall, I think this has been a very civil concern. But given the PPP views of some here, it's not surprising that some are pretty tending like the negative feedback wasn't part racist. Personally, I saw Sherman as a loud and annoying guy who needs to shut up more and just play. Others saw a black guy with dreads being loud and assumed he was a thug. There was nothing thuggish about his actions. Sure, people do claim racism too easy at times. But it's still very much out there. I've personally seen people who love the Bills drop a n bomb the second a black player screws up. Beyond pathetic and embarassing. And just because you recognize that that racism is a problem that still needs to be address, doesn't make you too PC.
Bronc24 Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Overall, I think this has been a very civil concern. But given the PPP views of some here, it's not surprising that some are pretty tending like the negative feedback wasn't part racist. Personally, I saw Sherman as a loud and annoying guy who needs to shut up more and just play. Others saw a black guy with dreads being loud and assumed he was a thug. There was nothing thuggish about his actions. Sure, people do claim racism too easy at times. But it's still very much out there. I've personally seen people who love the Bills drop a n bomb the second a black player screws up. Beyond pathetic and embarassing. And just because you recognize that that racism is a problem that still needs to be address, doesn't make you too PC. To piggyback this, there are documented instances of idiots going to twitter and blatantly calling Sherman the N word. Others have used the word "thug". I could link them, but you all know they are out there. However, I don't think this is a race issue, upon reflection. I believe that the outburst was pure emotion and adrenaline and I, for one, am ok with that. People lament the No Fun League continuously, but here we had a guy who had won a battle vs. a much hated opponent he had a history with. The media played up the hatred and rivalry between these two teams all year and all week leading up to the game. The fact that some were put off by the very emotion they were hyping is hypocritical.
bobobonators Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 I apologize for taking so long to answer this, I am dealing with a sick and grieving wife at hope - that's a tough combo! Professional sports isn't going through a gradual shift to look at me it has already shifted. There is a celebration where a player points 2 thumbs at his shoulder pads. That is a look at the name on the back celebration. How many wide receivers celebrate every single first down catch they make? What about Kap mocking Cam Newton's td celebration - how many pages did that thread get? Was there even one? As for Pros are role models I agree to an extent. Every moment can be a teachable one. To some parents this behavior is unacceptable so it is a conversation to be had with your kid. I have zero problem with anything he said. I ask again what is the worst thing he said? That Crabtree is a mediocre receiver? That he is the best cb in the game? What specifically did he say that is so upsetting. The worst part about that interview is I knew many would get their panties in a bunch. In the age of everyone gets a trophy Sherman might have hurt Crabtree's feelings . This is a game yes but it is so much more to these players. They many times liken it to a battle or war (their words not mine). It is a true test to them of their manhood. Who is the biggest, baddest, strongest, fastest, etc.. out there. This is their job and there are literally millions of dollars on the line. So he got a little loud and boisterous big deal. I have only responded a few times but I haven't once mentioned anything about anyone being racist. I don't think that has as much to do with the outcry as the wussification of America. A bunch of people are mad at Richard Sherman because he might have hurt Crabtree's feelings. Why are sports interviews so boring and filled with cliches? Anytime someone dares say anything the media and public jump all over them. Why are Marrone's pressers filled with obviously and you knows? So he can have time to make sure what he says won't be able to be taken the wrong way and blown out of proportion. Remember his "blowup" about the injury report in preseason? Good post man. Pretty much agree with everything.
bbb Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Yes, I saw that too...he also padded him on the ass before extending his hand. At that point, Crabtree pushed him away...like "get the !@#$ out of my face"....Sherman is saying that is what prompted his post-game tirade...he was caught up in the emotion, they are competitors, etc etc...I think Sherman should have given Crabtree the same consideration...he just had his the fate of his teams' season knocked from his hands... Sherman actually had about 10 minutes to compose himself for his interview...Crabtree had about 3 seconds. Also, Sherman was all "I am the greatest" after the Saints game, even busted into one his teammates interviews to let everyone know...realizing what he had done, and how boorish he was looking, he reeled himself in and started heaping praise on the teammate who was being interviewed. Not a sin, not a crime, it will happen again, somewhere along the way...not a big deal. I guess what gets me is how many people think this behavior is "awesome"! +10000! Overall, I think this has been a very civil concern. But given the PPP views of some here, it's not surprising that some are pretty tending like the negative feedback wasn't part racist. Since nobody replied, but they did pipe down with "What if (insert white guy) did this?" when I posted about Brian Bosworth, I'll ask here. Everybody hated Boz, even more than Sherman, and loved it when his azz got ran over by a black guy on MNF. So, why is Sherman a racist reaction - both are loudmouth punks.
NoSaint Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) Everybody hated Boz, even more than Sherman, and loved it when his azz got ran over by a black guy on MNF. So, why is Sherman a racist reaction - both are loudmouth punks. most here have been very level headed about their distaste if they dont like shermans antics. the problem is, there are a lot of dumb racist people in the broad internet land beyond our borders and i think some posters are looking too hard at the kooks elsewhere slinging slurs at his twitter, and sometimes forgetting that there are legitimate reasons to be turned off by his actions that have been well articulated on within this community. Edited January 22, 2014 by NoSaint
DrDawkinstein Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) Everybody hated Boz, even more than Sherman, and loved it when his azz got ran over by a black guy on MNF. So, why is Sherman a racist reaction - both are loudmouth punks. Because people hated Boz because he was overhyped and pushed on everyone through every media outlet. It was a hype machine that lasted months and months. He wasnt yelling into the camera. He was over-hyped, and when he failed on the field, people were happy. The Sherman situation is not the same, in that people are reacting to a 10 second interview clip. And most of those people are seeing Sherman for the first time in that clip, and judging him personally. As yungmack pointed out: there was nothing in the interview that was remotely "ghetto." No foul language, zero "ghetto" slang, no gang signs. He spoke standard English, complete sentences and presented coherent thoughts. Yet, whenever a black athlete is interviewed after a game, and is a bit excited, we see the same stupid response from people: "Is he even speaking English?!?" I dont think people realize how stupid, ignorant, and uncultured that statement makes them. Coincidentally, as far as my news feed goes, I see it the most out of older white women. It's like they see a loud black guy and their brain immediately goes "AHH! Something different that we arent used to!" and switches off. There is nothing difficult to understand in Sherman's rant, yet people "claim" they couldnt understand him. Because thats what you say when a black guy with a different dialect is talking. Pitiful. Edited January 22, 2014 by DrDareustein
Bronc24 Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 most here have been very level headed about their distaste if they dont like shermans antics. the problem is, there are a lot of dumb racist people in the broad internet land beyond our borders and i think some posters are looking too hard at the kooks elsewhere slinging slurs at his twitter, and sometimes forgetting that there are legitimate reasons to be turned off by his actions that have been well articulated on within this community. Agree. I asked the Harbaugh question, but it was not to suggest anyone here had labeled Sherman with a racist term or called him a thug. It was a broad question to address the oft racist uproar that exploded on the internet after the interview. I am guilty of looking too hard at the "kooks" elsewhere.
NoSaint Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Because people hated Boz because he was overhyped and pushed on everyone through every media outlet. It was a hype machine that lasted months and months. He wasnt yelling into the camera. He was over-hyped, and when he failed on the field, people were happy. The Sherman situation is not the same, in that people are reacting to a 10 second interview clip. And most of those people are seeing Sherman for the first time in that clip, and judging him personally. As yungmack pointed out: Yet, whenever a black athlete is interviewed after a game, and is a bit excited, we see the same stupid response from people: "Is the speaking English?!?" I dont think people realize how stupid, ignorant, and uncultured that statement makes them. Coincidentally, as far as my news feed goes, I see it the most out of older white women. It's like they see a loud black guy and their brain immediately goes "AHH! Something different that we arent used to!" and switches off. There is nothing difficult to understand in Sherman's rant, yet people "claim" they couldnt understand him. Because thats what you say when a black guy with a different dialect is talking. Pitiful. yea, but within our context, many of us didnt like shermans antics for months before. this was just another example. but ill agree, generally speaking, there are a lot of terribly uneducated comments out there this week... both pro and anti sherman.
DrDawkinstein Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 yea, but within our context, many of us didnt like shermans antics for months before. this was just another example. but ill agree, generally speaking, there are a lot of terribly uneducated comments out there this week... both pro and anti sherman. For sure, we are talking about two complete separate and almost opposite viewpoints. And as you have previously pointed out, it is all of these smaller grey areas coming together with those extremes that makes the conversation difficult. There is plenty of room for valid criticism of Sherman and his actions, the problem is sifting through the knee-jerk racist reactions that tend to dominate the discussion because of their extremism.
Joe Miner Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Because people hated Boz because he was overhyped and pushed on everyone through every media outlet. It was a hype machine that lasted months and months. He wasnt yelling into the camera. He was over-hyped, and when he failed on the field, people were happy. The Sherman situation is not the same, in that people are reacting to a 10 second interview clip. And most of those people are seeing Sherman for the first time in that clip, and judging him personally. As yungmack pointed out: Yet, whenever a black athlete is interviewed after a game, and is a bit excited, we see the same stupid response from people: "Is he even speaking English?!?" I dont think people realize how stupid, ignorant, and uncultured that statement makes them. Coincidentally, as far as my news feed goes, I see it the most out of older white women. It's like they see a loud black guy and their brain immediately goes "AHH! Something different that we arent used to!" and switches off. There is nothing difficult to understand in Sherman's rant, yet people "claim" they couldnt understand him. Because thats what you say when a black guy with a different dialect is talking. Pitiful. Gee, and I thought stereotypes were bad.
Maury Ballstein Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Sherman on espn presently. "I know some thugs, I'm far from a thug" 20 ints over last 3 seasons.....leads category by 5 over Tim Jennings w 15, Byrd on list w 12. Sherman's a beast. Hope he takes one to the house off Peyton manning. Could care less about his interview or perceived lack of class. Show me the money...he always does.
DrDawkinstein Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Gee, and I thought stereotypes were bad. And then we get stupid comments like this that serve no purpose but to sidetrack the conversation away from the real topic and to arguing about how we are arguing... What "stereotype" are you referring to? Because I mentioned older white women? Did you not see the qualifiers I put in front of that such as "Coincidentally" and "as far as my news feed goes"? Whether you care to admit it or not, there is a LARGE part of the criticism that is fueled by a racist reaction. No one is saying it is the ONLY reason, but it is there. You simply cannot deny it. It takes 10 seconds on twitter or facebook to see. And THAT is specifically what I am talking about here.
Joe Miner Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) And then we get stupid comments like this that serve no purpose but to sidetrack the conversation away from the real topic and to arguing about how we are arguing... What "stereotype" are you referring to? Because I mentioned older white women? Did you not see the qualifiers I put in front of that such as "Coincidentally" and "as far as my news feed goes"? Whether you care to admit it or not, there is a LARGE part of the criticism that is fueled by a racist reaction. No one is saying it is the ONLY reason, but it is there. You simply cannot deny it. It takes 10 seconds on twitter or facebook to see. And THAT is specifically what I am talking about here. Calling old white women you've never met ignorant, stupid and uncultured based on one comment they make is ok. But referring to a black guy on TV, that you've also not met, as a thug based on a handful of comments he made is racist. Yes, you've really added to the discussion here. Your in depth insight that racism still exists is quite profound. Your average grasp of the obvious is propelling this discussion to new heights. Edited January 22, 2014 by Joe Miner
DrDawkinstein Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) Calling old white women you've never met ignorant, stupid and uncultured based on one comment they make is ok. But referring to a black guy on TV, that you've also not met, as a thug based on a handful of comments he made is racist. Yes, you've really added to the discussion here. Your in depth insight that racism still exists is quite profound. Your average grasp of the obvious is propelling this discussion to new heights. I have met and personally know every person on my facebook feed or else they wouldnt be on my feed. So I know exactly where they are coming from and what they mean. Thank you for the rest. Im glad I could help. But keep defending racist behavior and protecting people from being called on it. You have a great platform there that is really helping society. Edited January 22, 2014 by DrDareustein
dave mcbride Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Sherman is a classic egomaniac. He loves to hear himself talk, especially when he's verbally taking down others, and he's generally careful to do it in the highest profile settings he finds himself in. He's also transparently insincere -- just read his MMQB (non)apology and you'll see what I mean. In sum, he's a clever guy with a minimal sense of ethics/decorum -- the sort of person who instinctively monetizes the verbal abuse he's about to publicly dole out. I suspect he'll have a career in broadcasting down the road.
bbb Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) most here have been very level headed about their distaste if they dont like shermans antics. the problem is, there are a lot of dumb racist people in the broad internet land beyond our borders and i think some posters are looking too hard at the kooks elsewhere slinging slurs at his twitter, and sometimes forgetting that there are legitimate reasons to be turned off by his actions that have been well articulated on within this community. You can find kooks of all kind online. Because people hated Boz because he was overhyped and pushed on everyone through every media outlet. It was a hype machine that lasted months and months. He wasnt yelling into the camera. He was over-hyped, and when he failed on the field, people were happy. The Sherman situation is not the same, in that people are reacting to a 10 second interview clip. And most of those people are seeing Sherman for the first time in that clip, and judging him personally. Wrong - people didn't hate Boz because he was overhyped. People hated him because he was a loudmouth bragging dbag of the highest degree. He was NOT failing on the field at that point - when he was at OU. He was playing outstanding.............But, he was HATED...........Sounds familiar. Edited January 22, 2014 by bbb
Joe Miner Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 I have met and personally know every person on my facebook feed or else they wouldnt be on my feed. So I know exactly where they are coming from and what they mean. Thank you for the rest. Im glad I could help. But keep defending racist behavior and protecting people from being called on it. You have a great platform there that is really helping society. First it was news feed, now it's FB, nice try. And perhaps your grasp of the obvious isn't so average if you think anyone in this thread is defending racist behavior. I'm looking at the discussion in this thread, and no one here is coming across as racist even though that moniker had been alluded to here several times. I don't know your racist friends on Facebook so I don't think I'll defend their actions or comments.
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