BringBackFergy Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 Jason McIntyre @jasonrmcintyre 13m ANDDDDD we're off RT @thebiglead: Denver Billboard Insinuates that Champ Bailey Has Class, Richard Sherman Doesn't http://shar.es/UhTSR That makes me want to go out and buy a refrigerator right away. Maybe they can put a pic of Romanowski next to Sherman?? Ohh wait...can't do that.
Jauronimo Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 It's hilarious how people toss around the word thug. Are the hockey players who fought a second into the game "thugs"? Sherman is a thug because he's loud and annoying? That's beyond ignorant and there are definitely racial overtunes. Personally, I can't stand Sherman. I think loud people tend to be insecure. But to call him a thug is just as ignorant as he was in his interview. There are racial overtones. As I mentioned before, the term thug has largely been revived and popularized due to hip hop culture. If you emulate those who identify with thug life, if your grill is full of ice, if you're inked from head to toe, or in Sherman's case if you pop off like you're doing a 30 second bit destined for World Star, you might get called a thug. In this day and age playing professional sports is an automatic strike against your character and intelligence. Its not fair much of the time, but to label it as racism is a tad over simplified.
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 There are racial overtones. As I mentioned before, the term thug has largely been revived and popularized due to hip hop culture. If you emulate those who identify with thug life, if your grill is full of ice, if you're inked from head to toe, or in Sherman's case if you pop off like you're doing a 30 second bit destined for World Star, you might get called a thug. In this day and age playing professional sports is an automatic strike against your character and intelligence. Its not fair much of the time, but to label it as racism is a tad over simplified. Fair points. It's just funny that someone who gets in a brawl isn't called a thug but a person who is just loud in an interview is. That makes me want to go out and buy a refrigerator right away. Maybe they can put a pic of Romanowski next to Sherman?? Ohh wait...can't do that. Haha. Very true. Glass house. Romanowski was a pill popping freak who spit on people. Yet plenty of Denver fans cheered him.
26CornerBlitz Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 Fair points. It's just funny that someone who gets in a brawl isn't called a thug but a person who is just loud in an interview is. Vancouver Canucks Coach John Tortorella recently acted like a thug!
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 Vancouver Canucks Coach John Tortorella recently acted like a thug! Agree 100% but I didn't hear one person call him a thug. Rush Limbaugh is loud and says stupid stuff like Sherman. IS he a thug?
dave mcbride Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 Fair points. It's just funny that someone who gets in a brawl isn't called a thug but a person who is just loud in an interview is. It is true that they are not called thugs. But they are called goons. Or mooks.
Jauronimo Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 Fair points. It's just funny that someone who gets in a brawl isn't called a thug but a person who is just loud in an interview is. Haha. Very true. Glass house. Romanowski was a pill popping freak who spit on people. Yet plenty of Denver fans cheered him. The word thug is definitely used more commonly in describing black players due to the hip hop connotations. Other words get used to describe white players. If Sherman had dropped an n-bomb he'd be thugnificent, even though by all accounts hes an intelligent kid and an upstanding citizen. Richie Incognito drops the n-bomb and hes just a redneck racist, even though by most accounts Richie actually is a thug according to the Oxford's definition. There's a disconnect since some are citing the urban dictionary definition (Lil' Wayne or DMX) and others are using Webster's (the dictionary, not the little black kid).
dave mcbride Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 The word thug is definitely used more commonly in describing black players due to the hip hop connotations. Other words get used to describe white players. If Sherman had dropped an n-bomb he'd be thugnificent, even though by all accounts hes an intelligent kid and an upstanding citizen. Richie Incognito drops the n-bomb and hes just a redneck racist, even though by most accounts Richie actually is a thug according to the Oxford's definition. There's a disconnect since some are citing the urban dictionary definition (Lil' Wayne or DMX) and others are using Webster's (the dictionary, not the little black kid). The term I heard most frequently with regard to Incognito was psychopath (or just psycho).
Beerball Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 It's hilarious how people toss around the word thug. Are the hockey players who fought a second into the game "thugs"? Sherman is a thug because he's loud and annoying? That's beyond ignorant and there are definitely racial overtunes. Personally, I can't stand Sherman. I think loud people tend to be insecure. But to call him a thug is just as ignorant as he was in his interview. I haven't counted, but it seems to me that there are far fewer people tossing around the word thug than there are people tossing around the thought of people tossing around the word thug.
IDBillzFan Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 There's a disconnect since some are citing the urban dictionary definition (Lil' Wayne or DMX) and others are using Webster's (the dictionary, not the little black kid). There is also a disconnect because too many people are walking around with an itchy racist trigger finger just foaming at the mouth for the slightest opportunity to yell and scream and point. Welcome to your post-racial social media world. I watched them go after Steve Martin on Twitter recently. Steve Freaking Martin. It was one little joke that was miles away from racism, but they pounced nonetheless. So it's very easy to see how so many people are ready to call critics of Sherman a racist, often because they just think they heard something they want to hear so they can break out the name again. It's ridiculously unfortunate.
reddogblitz Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 I haven't counted, but it seems to me that there are far fewer people tossing around the word thug than there are people tossing around the thought of people tossing around the word thug. This is so true. If you go back to each page and search for the word thug on this thread, most of it's use is either in a quote from Sherman himself, or people accusing everyone else of saying it.
BringBackFergy Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) Can we all agree that Richard Sherman acted like a fool when interviewed by Erin Andrews (self centered, punk, goofball, knitwit, etc.) and, as a professional, it may have been better for him to have a more reasoned explanation for what happened on the last play (i.e. maybe he could have said "I was happy with my coverage but this game might have ended different if my teammate hadn't come from his LB position to catch the batted ball" or "I had good coverage but thank God that ball wasn't thrown 6" higher"). Whether his "retraction" and apology the next day were his own doing or that of his agent/coach is unknown. I'm happy he did so. Just remember, younger kids watch professionals to learn how to play the game and, sometimes equally, how to act as an athlete while being interviewed or interacting with the public. God help us if some kid from a Class D small school starts mouthing off to a local television station about how the opposing team's WR is mediocre...all hell will break loose. EDIT: In my opinion. Edited January 21, 2014 by BringBackFergy
Bronc24 Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 OK, just watched it. He appears to be outside the norm, with all of the extra film study he does, but I don't really know that for sure....IOW, I don't know how many other DBs/Safeties in the NFL study film like he does. What's funny is in the first minute of the piece, he utters some words which I have on MY resume, pertaining to me in my career field....those words are "meticulous" and "attention to detail." LOL But of course, you still have to have the SIZE, strength, & speed, to do what he does; I DON'T have any of those. Again, millions of males who just watch football games (and the various highlight/analysis shows) closely every week could know exactly what he knows about certain tendencies of QBs, receivers, etc. I get that he's a great player, and like I said, he appears to go above and beyond to be good at his craft...that's great. But even HE AGREES WITH ME in that he said in the piece that some guys just get by, or play the game, on their athleticism ALONE. Another funny thing was when they showed from scenes during training camp, when he was mic'ed up, and he was trying to teach some teammates a thing or two....it was pretty obvious that HIS knowledge of what was going on was WAY above those other guys, as the other guys didn't seem to even know what he was talking about! Finally, regarding the user in here who said he's 6'3" & 225: I am curious if he started playing organized football when he was little (around age 10, like I did), then continued on in middle school, and then HS? And was he 6'3" & 225 in HS? And in HS, did he hit the weight room, to tone up and get strong? Did he have a DESIRE to play football at a higher level (college & beyond)? My point is that size ALONE will normally not bring you success in any sport, but it IS a requirement for many sports. An example is if you're 6'5" and weigh 395 lbs., and you're not fat, but you are muscular, you'd have a real good head start on being a defensive lineman then 99% of the people out in public. Nice. So, again, do you have Whaley's #? Because I'm in the 1%, baby! Can we all agree that Richard Sherman acted like a fool when interviewed by Erin Andrews (self centered, punk, goofball, knitwit, etc.) and, as a professional, it may have been better for him to have a more reasoned explanation for what happened on the last play (i.e. maybe he could have said "I was happy with my coverage but this game might have ended different if my teammate hadn't come from his LB position to catch the batted ball" or "I had good coverage but thank God that ball wasn't thrown 6" higher"). Whether his "retraction" and apology the next day were his own doing or that of his agent/coach is unknown. I'm happy he did so. Just remember, younger kids watch professionals to learn how to play the game and, sometimes equally, how to act as an athlete while being interviewed or interacting with the public. God help us if some kid from a Class D small school starts mouthing off to a local television station about how the opposing team's WR is mediocre...all hell will break loose. EDIT: In my opinion. No. I cannot agree.
section122 Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 Can we all agree that Richard Sherman acted like a fool when interviewed by Erin Andrews (self centered, punk, goofball, knitwit, etc.) and, as a professional, it may have been better for him to have a more reasoned explanation for what happened on the last play (i.e. maybe he could have said "I was happy with my coverage but this game might have ended different if my teammate hadn't come from his LB position to catch the batted ball" or "I had good coverage but thank God that ball wasn't thrown 6" higher"). Whether his "retraction" and apology the next day were his own doing or that of his agent/coach is unknown. I'm happy he did so. Just remember, younger kids watch professionals to learn how to play the game and, sometimes equally, how to act as an athlete while being interviewed or interacting with the public. God help us if some kid from a Class D small school starts mouthing off to a local television station about how the opposing team's WR is mediocre...all hell will break loose. EDIT: In my opinion. No I have absolutely no problem with what he said or how he acted. He was excited and his emotions got the best of him. I have zero problem with that. I enjoy athletes playing with passion and honestly in the grand scheme of things what is the worst thing he said? Crabtree is a mediocre receiver? He's the best corner in the NFL?
Maury Ballstein Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 There is also a disconnect because too many people are walking around with an itchy racist trigger finger just foaming at the mouth for the slightest opportunity to yell and scream and point. Welcome to your post-racial social media world. I watched them go after Steve Martin on Twitter recently. Steve Freaking Martin. It was one little joke that was miles away from racism, but they pounced nonetheless. So it's very easy to see how so many people are ready to call critics of Sherman a racist, often because they just think they heard something they want to hear so they can break out the name again. It's ridiculously unfortunate. The outraged twitter people are out of control. I see Bill Simmons is caught in some huge apology to transsexuals presently. AJ Mccarons mom is under heavy twitter scrutiny from BlackSportsOnline always trying to catch her slipping after she said.....is this english when Jameis Winston spoke. No I have absolutely no problem with what he said or how he acted. He was excited and his emotions got the best of him. I have zero problem with that. I enjoy athletes playing with passion and honestly in the grand scheme of things what is the worst thing he said? Crabtree is a mediocre receiver? He's the best corner in the NFL? Agree.....Sherman's in the Super Bowl. It's working for him.
BringBackFergy Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 No I have absolutely no problem with what he said or how he acted. He was excited and his emotions got the best of him. I have zero problem with that. I enjoy athletes playing with passion and honestly in the grand scheme of things what is the worst thing he said? Crabtree is a mediocre receiver? He's the best corner in the NFL? It's called decorum, professionalism or "treat others as you would want to be treated"...if that is acceptable at the professional level, where do you draw the line?? College it's ok but not HS? HS it's ok but not Pee-Wees? That's my problem with it...it starts at the top and will be a new way of interacting adopted by those who look up to Sherman (or any other player who "calls out" an opponent after a victory). If this is deemed acceptable (which in your mind it is) then professional sports are going through a gradual shift from "Look at our team" to "Look at me". I'm not saying he's the only one pointing to the name on his jersey or folding his arms after a sack...but this was a public declaration that he single handedly dominated a player to win the game. It's too bad - in my opinion.
RuntheDamnBall Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 There is also a disconnect because too many people are walking around with an itchy racist trigger finger just foaming at the mouth for the slightest opportunity to yell and scream and point. Welcome to your post-racial social media world. I watched them go after Steve Martin on Twitter recently. Steve Freaking Martin. It was one little joke that was miles away from racism, but they pounced nonetheless. So it's very easy to see how so many people are ready to call critics of Sherman a racist, often because they just think they heard something they want to hear so they can break out the name again. It's ridiculously unfortunate. I don't think you can call all critics of Sherman racist, but I imagine you can apply that term to people who think that he was repping the Bloods, or are casually tossing off that he is from Compton.
Recommended Posts