TakeYouToTasker Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 So, because the Jets drafted bad players two decades ago, we shouldn't draft a tight end? That's a pretty strong case you make based on a legitimate data set. The Jets' drafts in the early 90's were an attempt at drawing down some reasonably relevant humor, not a fiat declaration. With that said, there's a reason those old Jets drafts were funny. You don't reach based on positional need, especially in the top third of the first round. If you covet a guy who projects to the middle third or lower, you make sure you have an acceptable plans "B", "C", and "D"; and then you trade back to maximize value. Now, to repeat myself, I don't dislike Ebron. I think he'd be a nice fit here; but he doesn't grade out leaps and bounds above the next group of TEs available, and we will be bringing Chandler back next year, and starting, given that he set career highs, leading the team in both yards and receptions, and we have a very young stable of developing receivers. If a TE gets drafted, he spends the year behind Chandler, working ot of twin TE sets, and I don't think the Buffalo front office, who truely seems to feel that we're right on the cusp of contending, spends the 9th over-all pick on a guy in that situation.
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) We should stick to this board instead of that other one... Heh... it is nice to come up for some air every once in awhile, isn't it? Yes, Robinson may not be as good now, but he will be the better player in the very near future. He's a beast. He's already ahead of Mathews on some boards. I'm very high on Robinson. Perhaps the homer in me is deluding myself in believing he'll fall to 9. It's going to be another interesting draft for the Bills. If they don't get OT in the first, I hope they get one of the top guards in the 2nd. I'm pretty much in the same boat, though I waver between wanting to select one of the guards in the second round regardless of landing Robinson or not, and not wanting to commit so many resources to the O-line. If we hold off on a OG after landing Robinson, we would be sitting pretty with a nice chance to bring in Troy Niklas or Austin Seferian-Jenkins at the top of round two. Interesting, indeed. Edited January 20, 2014 by TakeYouToTasker
Prickly Pete Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 I don't know if he is a 9th pick, but this guy is making the kinds of catches that the Bills are lacking. Compare Benjamin: To Watkins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9RqmdAwFvo I think Watkins is going to be good, but I think Benjamin would add more of what the Bills need, and would have a bigger impact on the offense's production.
Kirby Jackson Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 One thing that I keep thinking is that everyone keeps talking about a guy that "is open when he's covered." That sounds like a WR or TE that you can throw it up to in the red zone that will high point it well or win a jump ball. I agree that would be nice (& needed) but I don't want to reach on an inferior talent for the 4 important jump balls that he wins in a season. For example I like Benjamin (a lot) as a project. I think that he is the most physically gifted big bodied receiver in the draft. With that being said there is no chance that I would take him ahead of Watkins. A 75 yard slant or a 55 yard bubble screen for a TD is just as good as an 8 yard fade. You can find a lot of guys to make 1 kind of play. (I would like to see the Bills sign Pitta in free agency to be that big target and let Chandler walk). The point being that we are so caught up on this 1 particular skill (because it is lacking) that we downplay other skills. Yes, the Bills have guys (Stevie) that can catch bubble screens. They do not have guys that turn them into big plays. You have to take difference makers in the top 10 & fill out the remainder of the roster from there. IMO, there is no chance that Watkins is there when we pick but he is just the real example. Let's take the most complete impact player at 10 that we can get. If there is not a guy that fits that mold then trade back.
d_wag Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 I don't know if he is a 9th pick, but this guy is making the kinds of catches that the Bills are lacking. Compare Benjamin: To Watkins: I think Watkins is going to be good, but I think Benjamin would add more of what the Bills need, and would have a bigger impact on the offense's production. benjamin makes a ton of sense for the bills but they would need to slide down to make it work (or trade up from their 2nd to late 1st). his skill set and size is exactly what the offense is lacking, and when you throw in the EJ connection you really have a winner. who couldn't get used to seeing this in the bills offense? trade back to the teens to get benjamin and pocket a 2nd, and use the 2nd/2nd/3rd to land a run stuffing MLB (shift kiko outside) like skov or borland, a mean RT like richardson or kouandjio, and an athletic TE like ASJ or Niklas. i'd be very happy with those first two days of the draft. i'd love to see a road grading guard before the end of the 3rd but i'm resigned to the fact that the bills think they are smarter then everyone else and can find cheap free agents and wavier claims to man those spots (worked great in '13 boys!).
RyanC883 Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 Edited 10:06 EST: Mike Evans has been added. You can delete your vote and revote if you wish. DraftTek is running this week's mock and we can Grab players this week. I won't say who was taken in picks 1-8, but here is who's there at 9: Sammy Watkins WRF Clemson Darqueze Dennard CB Michigan State Greg Robinson RT Auburn C.J. Mosley OLB Alabama Ha'Sean Clinton-Dix FS Alabama Eric Ebron TE North Carolina Based on the Bills' Positional Needs you voted on last week, the computer assigned us Sammy Watkins, the draft's #1 WR. I'm showing you the next 4 Value picks plus Dennard, who's there because Detroit has CB as its number one positional need. Whom would the Bills take in this scenario? If they don't re-simulate it again, this will be the result for the Bills on this week's mock and will appear here.. Awesome job as usual. Keep up the good work. We all appreciate it.
Dorkington Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 This list gets me so excited for the draft! No way the Bills can pick a clunker. OL (Greg Robinson) or WR (Sammy Watkins) are my picks, in that order. Sammy Watkins is only listed as 6' 1" and 205 lbs. If he was a little bigger I would be more prone to pick him. Thanks for jinxing it.
Dorkington Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 I want one or two big targets for EJ to learn to trust... A run stuffing LB A stout Guard and the rest is just depth here and there. I suck at following college sports, so I have no idea which names would be the best
T master Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 This list gets me so excited for the draft! No way the Bills can pick a clunker. OL (Greg Robinson) or WR (Sammy Watkins) are my picks, in that order. Sammy Watkins is only listed as 6' 1" and 205 lbs. If he was a little bigger I would be more prone to pick him. Exactly we want the big guy thats open when he's not So Ebron (which would add the big guy & quit the fans complaining about a TE) or the O line but the coaching staff won't have a clue how to use him so where do you go ??
JPS Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 If Watkins is available at 9, it's a garbage Mock.
bobobonators Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 Out of all those players i voted for Watkins bc i feel he is the most dynamic. But i would rather trade down.
Kirby Jackson Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 If Watkins is available at 9, it's a garbage Mock. I think that Watkins and Clowney are the players least likely to be there at 9. It doesn't mean that they will go 1-2 but I don't see 8 teams passing on those two.
GunnerBill Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 Khalil Mack or trade pick! That's where I am I think. Although if nobody offers us enough value for that pick then I'd be happy with either Richardson (immediate upgrade on the O-Line) or Evans. But if Mack is gone my first priority would be a trade.
TPS Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 I came across a mock draft from Bleacher site (sorry, but I get a message that I can't link to it..), and I think this guy (Dan Hope) makes a good case for Mosely... Considering Khalil Mack is the best NFL prospect to ever come out of the University of Buffalo in its football program’s history, many local Buffalo Bills fans might clamor for him to be the selection if available with the No. 9 overall pick. But while the Bills would be smart to target a linebacker early in the draft, Alabama’s C.J. Mosley is a better fit for their need. Projected picks based upon regional ties rarely come to fruition, and while Mack would be a great value selection at the No. 9 pick, the Bills are already stocked with hybrid pass-rushers. What Buffalo really needs is another inside linebacker who can play alongside Kiko Alonso and improve its run defense. Mosley fits the bill. A terrific all-around linebacker, he could team with Alonso to give the Bills two interchangeable, every-down impact players at the position. Though he does not have great size for the position, listed at 6’2” and 238 pounds byAlabama’s official athletics website, he is a physical run-stopper who has little trouble getting off of blocks. He is a very good athlete who has sideline-to-sideline playmaking range, is an exceptional blitzer and is adept in coverage. Mosley would give the Bills the option of playing both he and Alonso at middle and weak-side linebacker between different packages and allow each player to play to his strength. One of the league’s most promising defensive front sevens could become even better and have one of the league’s best young inside linebacker combinations with this draft choice.
Kirby Jackson Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 I came across a mock draft from Bleacher site (sorry, but I get a message that I can't link to it..), and I think this guy (Dan Hope) makes a good case for Mosely... I am not sure that guy has ever in his life seen Mack play. He's bigger, stronger, faster and more versatile than Mosley. Regional ties aside there is nothing that I think that Mosely does better than Mack. With that being said I don't think that Mack will be on the board.
RyanC883 Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 Where's the LB love? I'd consider Mack or Barr if they're there, gotta be able to stop the run. Ideally if we could trade down to get Ebron in the middle of the round, then two picks in the second getting an OT and big WR (maybe Benjamin slides down?) Think we can wait til the 3rd for a LB, if Shayne Skov or Chris Borland are still available, but who knows... that would be an ideal draft, although I think a TE (Ebron or Amro) will be available in the 2nd. I'd grab Benjamin late 1st, then TE, OT, and Skov/Borland. The Bills just need to take impact, 1st day starters players with the #9 pick and their second round pick(s).
Prickly Pete Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) One thing that I keep thinking is that everyone keeps talking about a guy that "is open when he's covered." That sounds like a WR or TE that you can throw it up to in the red zone that will high point it well or win a jump ball. I agree that would be nice (& needed) but I don't want to reach on an inferior talent for the 4 important jump balls that he wins in a season. For example I like Benjamin (a lot) as a project. I think that he is the most physically gifted big bodied receiver in the draft. With that being said there is no chance that I would take him ahead of Watkins. A 75 yard slant or a 55 yard bubble screen for a TD is just as good as an 8 yard fade. You can find a lot of guys to make 1 kind of play. (I would like to see the Bills sign Pitta in free agency to be that big target and let Chandler walk). The point being that we are so caught up on this 1 particular skill (because it is lacking) that we downplay other skills. Yes, the Bills have guys (Stevie) that can catch bubble screens. They do not have guys that turn them into big plays. You have to take difference makers in the top 10 & fill out the remainder of the roster from there. IMO, there is no chance that Watkins is there when we pick but he is just the real example. Let's take the most complete impact player at 10 that we can get. If there is not a guy that fits that mold then trade back. They need to add to the repertoire of what the offense can do. It's about being able to counter what the defense is trying to take away. I am not advocating taking Benjamin with the 9th pick (and I don't see that anyone else did in this thread). I agree that the Bills should be able to find a "specialist" type receiver somewhere, but while "75 yard slant or a 55 yard bubble screen for a TD is just as good as an 8 yard fade", most points aren't scored on those kinds of huge gains in the NFL. The Bills struggled in the red zone....yadayada you already know this....Watkins won't help there. I don't think the WR's on the roster are that bad. They haven't had consistent quarterbacking, and are still developing. I would much rather they selected a different position. Edited January 20, 2014 by Marauder'sMicro
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