Wayne Cubed Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) Sarcasm aside, they do have a lot of talent. They have good offensive linemen, a good front seven, good receivers, and some good secondary players. They have weaknesses, to be sure, but they're not bereft of talent. I believe they have talent but I wouldn't say a lot, I think the offense is relatively weak, they have 1 good receiver, nothing for a running game and no QB. Yes, the line is good and the defense is good. The problem, as with Bills, will they get the right QB and develop him. Edited January 23, 2014 by Wayne Cubed
FireChan Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 My understanding is that Banner and Lombardi looked at the performance of the Browns in the second half of the season and felt that they performed worse. In contrast, other bad teams like Jax got better as the season went on despite possessing worse talent. They lost their last seven games, and only a couple were close. I don't think at this point that anyone would condemn Jax for firing Mularkey after one year. Sometimes, it's pretty clear if a guy isn't going to work out. Another apparent issue is that the FO like Manziel a ton but Chud was against drafting him. If so, then that's a problem for Chud. I think Manziel is going to be a good, exciting player. I'm not sure he's going to be there at #4 at this point (he may go #1 overall), but if he is they'd be crazy not to take him. Chud apparently didn't listen to the FO when they wanted him to cut a player and hold the locker room accountable. Which is definitely worrisome for all parties. Chud didn't want his FO's help, and the FO couldn't control or work with Chud. It was better for them to cut ties than to keep that toxic relationship afloat like Shanahan.
Jauronimo Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 If Marrone has any pride he'll leak a picture of him and Chudzinksi making out captioned "See what happens when you steal my man, Cleveland???"
thebandit27 Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Sarcasm aside, they do have a lot of talent. They have good offensive linemen, a good front seven, good receivers, and some good secondary players. They have weaknesses, to be sure, but they're not bereft of talent. I'll give you that they have a good LT...all 3 of their starting interior OLmen are UFAs; they have 1 good WR who is one mistake away from a year-long suspension. Joe Haden is a player, while Ward is a bit overrated in coverage (he's a very good tackler though).
The Big Cat Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 A la bye week opponents I fully expect Brandon to file grievance over this cluster !@#$. Process took way too long, put us at a competitive disadvantage to find replacement and we've had an asset poached hardly a year after he came aboard a rebuilding process. Talk about kicked when you're already down. When's this !@#$ing team going to catch a !@#$ing break!?
dave mcbride Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Chud apparently didn't listen to the FO when they wanted him to cut a player and hold the locker room accountable. Which is definitely worrisome for all parties. Chud didn't want his FO's help, and the FO couldn't control or work with Chud. It was better for them to cut ties than to keep that toxic relationship afloat like Shanahan. Yep. I agree.
sodbuster Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Flying your new coach in commercial?? The Bills flew him back to Buffalo in a private jet when he was interviewing for the DC Position!! jimmy is cheap
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 jimmy is cheap I figured they would stick Pettine in the back of a tractor trailer at a Flying J, and drive him up.
Campy Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) A la bye week opponents I fully expect Brandon to file grievance over this cluster !@#$.Process took way too long, put us at a competitive disadvantage to find replacement and we've had an asset poached hardly a year after he came aboard a rebuilding process.Talk about kicked when you're already down. When's this !@#$ing team going to catch a !@#$ing break!?Maybe it's my general disdain for the victim culture, but I'm reasonably sure you can't file a grievance about another team hiring one of your coaches after you gave said team and coach permission to discuss a coaching position. Edited January 23, 2014 by Campy
26CornerBlitz Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 @SportsCenter THIS JUST IN: Browns are expected to offer head-coaching job to Bills DC Mike Pettine. (via @AdamSchefter, @mortreport & @Edwerderespn)
Bronc24 Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Will Burge @WillBurge 3h Pettine lands at Hopkins airport (yes commercial flight) at 12:32. One source said deal could be done by 5pm today if all goes well #Browns Flying your new coach in commercial?? The Bills flew him back to Buffalo in a private jet when he was interviewing for the DC Position!! All his pilots are being indicted.
mannc Posted January 23, 2014 Author Posted January 23, 2014 I believe they have talent but I wouldn't say a lot, I think the offense is relatively weak, they have 1 good receiver, nothing for a running game and no QB. Yes, the line is good and the defense is good. The problem, as with Bills, will they get the right QB and develop him. Which good receiver were you referring to? Josh Gordon (arguably the best WR in football last year) or Jordan Cameron, the pro bowl tight end? There other receivers are pretty good, too. And how hard is it to find a RB? I would take the Browns' roster over the Bills in a second.
G-Daddy Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Pettine will get Browns to playoffs before Marrone gets Bills there.
BuffaninATL Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 @SportsCenter THIS JUST IN: Browns are expected to offer head-coaching job to Bills DC Mike Pettine. (via @AdamSchefter, @mortreport & @Edwerderespn) yep looks like it's on like Donkey Kong http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000317026/article/cleveland-browns-attempting-to-hire-bills-defensive-coordinator-mike-pettine
MDH Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Pettine will get Browns to playoffs before Marrone gets Bills there. Smart money says neither gets there. Not with the organizations their currently attached to.
dubs Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) Criticizing Pettine for possibly take this job is mind bottling to me. It sucks from our perspective, but from his perspective it's a very good opportunity. He's got a roster with a good defense and some things to work with on offense. He's 47. He's going to get a huge, guaranteed, pay raise. He's going to a place that if he succeeds, he's a hero, if not, people will blame it on the FO or ownership. And there is NO guarantee he gets another opportunity. Next year there will be a whole new set of "hot" coaching candidates. There will be Bill O'Brian's (college guys) and Gase's (coordinators) and Muncheks (former head coaches). Having a defense that's ranked 20th in scoring on a team that's 6-10 isn't exactly going to WOW anyone. Edited January 23, 2014 by dubs
BuffaloBillsForever Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) Pettine will get Browns to playoffs before Marrone gets Bills there. That's my gut feeling right now as well. With their core (and with the cap space to keep who they want or add in FA), the way the front office has set themselves for future flexibility and more importantly this up and coming draft will be a game changer for that franchise. Edited January 23, 2014 by BuffaloBillsForever
RuntheDamnBall Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Criticizing Pettine for possibly take this job is mind bottling to me. It sucks from our perspective, but from his perspective it's a very good opportunity. He's got a roster with a good defense and some things to work with on offense. He's 47. He's going to get a huge, guaranteed, pay raise. He's going to a place that if he succeeds, he's a hero, if not, people will blame it on the FO or ownership. And there is NO guarantee he gets another opportunity. Next year there will be a whole new set of "hot" coaching candidates. There will be Bill O'Brian's (college guys) and Gase's (coordinators) and Muncheks (former head coaches). Having a defense that's ranked 20th in scoring on a team that's 6-10 isn't exactly going to WOW anyone. That's all well and good. He also is 20-30 days behind the competition in assembling a staff and may find that the Bills are reluctant to let any of the ones he's been closest to all year leave the team to join him at this late date. In theory, yes, you take the job. In reality, he is not as set up for success as you suggest.
papazoid Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 the bills said they have a plan..... I say it's DB Coach Donnie Henderson.
TheFunPolice Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Aside from the dysfunctional FO the Browns are sitting pretty with 2 1st rounders and some really good young talent. I wish Pettine and the Browns well. Browns fans are a lot like Bills fans, and you can't be mad at a guy for taking a promotion to his dream gig.
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